Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration

This page is within the scope of the WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, a collaborative, bipartisan effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. For guidelines and a participants list see the project page. See also {{Palestine-Israel enforcement}}, the ArbCom-authorized discretionary sanctions, the log of blocks and bans, and Working group on ethnic and cultural edit wars. You can discuss the project at its talk page.Israel Palestine CollaborationWikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine CollaborationTemplate:WikiProject Israel Palestine CollaborationIsrael Palestine Collaboration articles

Note: Some old subpages of this wikiproject (older than 2010) are now archived at Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration/Old subpages

This WikiProject has been mentioned by a media organization:

Jimmy Wales (opinion) (15 January 2016). "Wikipedia's strength is in collaboration – as we've proved over 15 years". The Guardian. It seems counterintuitive that Wikipedia, a website open for anyone in the world to edit, could be a reliable source of information for one of the world's deeply contested issues. And it is true that finding neutrality – a cornerstone policy of Wikipedia – under these circumstances is a serious challenge. And yet, WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration is working to make Wikipedia the most balanced reference point for anyone seeking information about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, while breaking down barriers in the process. The project aims to engage people in building bridges and weaving together viewpoints from both sides in an effort to create a "truly bilateral" narrative. As the world's primary free and open reference on the issue, Wikipedia has taken on the role of a sort of digital truth and reconciliation commission.

Archives

Old article discussions
1: 2008 former "Community Lounge" page
2: January-August 2008
3: Sept-December 2008
4: January-June 2009
5: July-December 2009
6: January-June 2010
7:July-December 2010
8:January-December 2011
9:January-December 2012
10:January-December 2013
11: January 2014 - April 2015
Old discussions by topic:
Outside organizing of editing
Legality of Israeli settlements
Old project discussions

Combined talk discussions

2015 /Archive 8
2016 - June 2023 /Archive 9

"Al-Aqsa is in danger"[edit]

Hello, I'm sure you're all very busy at the moment, but am looking for third-party input on something. An editor made a very large addition to the small page Al-Aqsa is in danger which appears to me to seriously skew the article's tone and compromise its NPOV. It seemed relatively good and neutral (if short) before, but certainly the additions appear very much to push it in one direction. I've laid out what I think are the problems on the talk page and on the relevant user's talk page, but have gotten no response. To avoid an edit war, would appreciate if someone (or multiple someones) would take a look. Thanks! AntiDionysius (talk) 10:10, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nakba denial[edit]

I have created a page on the subject of Nakba denial - a topic of some weight in literature on the historiography of the Arab-Israeli conflict. I have barely scratched the surface of the available source, having prioritized the most readily accessible ones. There may very well be some gaping gaps, not least in that I don't have access to any of the best Ilan Pappé material, so haven't been able to directly quote him. More eyes welcome. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:March 2010 Israel–Gaza clashes#Requested move 13 October 2023[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:March 2010 Israel–Gaza clashes#Requested move 13 October 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Material Works 15:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Israeli permit regime in the West Bank[edit]

An editor has requested that Israeli permit regime in the West Bank be moved to another page, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. GnocchiFan (talk) 20:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Casualties of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war[edit]

I'm spinning this off the main article because it's taking up quite a lot of space and almost certainly will continue to expand with an Israeli ground incursion into Gaza. You're welcome to help me get this ready for the mainspace. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 01:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:List of Islamist terrorist attacks#Should Operation Al-Aqsa Flood by Hamas included in the list of Islamist Terrorist attacks?[edit]

An editor has started an RfC asking "Should Operation Al-Aqsa Flood by Hamas be included in the List of Islamist terrorist attacks?" at Talk:List of Islamist terrorist attacks#Should Operation Al-Aqsa Flood by Hamas included in the list of Islamist Terrorist attacks?. Interested editors are invited to participate. TarnishedPath^talk 23:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Limiting or merging single-event stubs (in war navbox)[edit]

I've been seeing a lot of minor war events getting their own articles, which are 90% navboxes and background and 'see also' links to war lists. They often draw on twitter posts or less reputable sources. They are also rapidly added to the navboxes (which are on a lot of high-traffic pages), making those much less useful and perhaps confusing readers who click through a few serious articles and then end up on a dodgy, thinly sourced stub.

I made routine merges of the Daraghmeh + KY articles, which were reverted; the former now somewhat inefficiently sitting through AfD, the latter a draft. What's a smooth way to set a style guideline for what gets a navbox-level article / what should be developed in draft-space?

Examples: These 3 all started out quoting unreliable pro-military sources; nothing notable + no details

Death of Omar Daraghmeh - pending deletion, edit war over merge
2023 Erez airstrike - hardly mentioned
2023 Khan Yunis raid (draft) - very minor, edit war over merge

These simply don't need their own article:

2023 Al-Asad air base attack - not notable; maybe eventually part of notable pattern. not obviously part of this conflict [but slapped w/ both vertical and horizontal navboxes]
2023 storming of Tammun and Qabatiya - odd title, minor
October 2023 Jenin incursion - minor

These might be kept if improved [but should really be part of other articles]:

October 2023 Tulkarm incursion - only one of these major enough to potentially have an article
List of serving heads of state and government that have visited Israel during the 2023 Israel-Hamas War - terrible naming + list convention started w/ the Russian invasion of Ukraine

– SJ + 03:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Glad someone is trying to tackle this thorny issue. A few minutes after (some event) happens, odds are good that someone will try to make an article out of it. Criteria would be good, but do you mean only for AI/IP articles? Selfstudier (talk) 17:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wars are one of the few events that generate such a proliferation of stubs and nav-links, and attract editors who fight over them rather than merging into a few informative articles. This war and the Russian invasion of Ukraine are the recent examples I've seen. We ideally could point people on navbox talk pages to standard guidelines for how to keep them useful. – SJ + 06:15, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-10/21[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-10/21. Your contributions would be appreciated. Historyday01 (talk) 17:27, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From the river to the sea[edit]

Experienced editors are invited to look at the recent work at this article. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:32, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of the 2023 Israel–Hamas war: Methodology & Translations[edit]

Having concluded my sabbatical, and having found this project, I'm ready to dive in again where angels fear to dive. Currently I'm taking a more narrow focus, working backwards as events become clearer in retrospect (the historiography will come later); too, reliable sources have begun to assemble their own timelines. If anyone wants to undertake massive improvements large or small, feel free!

For reference, these have been my sources to date: Al Jazeera, BBC, The Forward, The Guardian, Times of Israel, Haaretz, Middle East Eye, NYT, and to an extent the think tank Institute for the Study of War.

Secondly, the first translation was into Chinese. There are now six. Although I'm a monoglot, I can tell that the French was, at least initially, a straight up translation whereas the German is definitely its own creature. The most recent, surprisingly, is Arabic. Just as surprisingly, Hebrew has yet to appear! Is anyone more knowledgeable keeping an eye on these narratives?

kencf0618 (talk) 13:16, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the project, Ken. Thank you in particular for your focus on RS. I agree that all of those you list meet WP:RS. ◅ Sebastian Helm 🗨 08:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It helps that whatever the editorial stance, they're dealing with brute fact. kencf0618 (talk) 13:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Declarations of War[edit]

I've been casting about for the formal Israeli declaration of war by invocation of Article 40A –the actual Knesset/Security Cabinet paperwork– as well as a transcription of Mohammed Deif's announcement in full. All I'm finding are bits and pieces. kencf0618 (talk) 13:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Calls for a ceasefire during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war[edit]

Does this have merit as an article? Happy for anyone to contribute :) Neegzistuoja (talk) 14:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It does. Eventually a proposal will get traction... kencf0618 (talk) 01:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, now that as of this writing an inaugural ceasefire is holding, ceasefires are the salient matter. Calls for ceasefires are a matter for our coverage of protests and such, methinks. kencf0618 (talk) 14:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Post-Zionism[edit]

The page Post-Zionism is a disaster of a piece of content at present. It's almost wholly unsourced, could potentially be a personal essay, and the only sources are some op-eds, not scholarship. It's so dysfunctional that it borders on a WP:TNT case, but I thought it might be worth flagging it as a doer-upper first. Iskandar323 (talk) 22:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't within our ambit, or at least not yet. Let's wait for the historiography to happen before we have our own Historikerstreit. And not to put too fine a point on it, the last item on the Post-Zionism's talk page is dated 27 June 2013, so no controversy there. (New Historians 11 March 2022 likewise). kencf0618 (talk) 14:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed mergers at Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis[edit]

Editors have proposed merging the articles Kidnapping of Hersh Goldberg-Polin and Kidnapping of Noa Argamani into 2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis, which are of interest to this WikiProject.

You are invited join the discussions at Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis § Proposed merger and Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis § Proposed merger 2.—Alalch E. 17:45, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article idea: Israeli settler organizations[edit]

It may be worth creating Israeli settler organizations, covering orgs that support settlements, like Regavim, Ateret Cohanim, Nahalat Shimon International, Hashomer Yosh, and Israel Land Fund, and nonprofits that financially support those orgs like Friends of Ir David and the Central Fund of Israel [1][2][3]. We have articles on some of the individual orgs but no overarching article. DFlhb (talk) 08:41, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Renewed calls for a two-state solution[edit]

I've been trying to find a suitable place in Wikipedia for mentions of items such as Thomas Friedman's 14 Nov 2023 opinion piece in the NYT or the 14 Dec 2023 letter from 27 Jewish leaders to President Biden, both calling for a two-state solution. Is there an existing article which would be an appropriate home for such items? If not, should we create a new article? Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 14:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please could someone respond to my question. Another relevant piece has come to my attention, called "Starting From the Ground Up: U.S. Policy Options for Post-Hamas Gaza", by Michael Koplow and Shira Efron. Misha Wolf (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Two state solution fits the bill. kencf0618 (talk) 18:26, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was hesitant about adding such items to that article as there doesn't seem to be a suitable place in the article's structure. But if that's the best article to use, then I/we will need to tweak the structure. Any suggestions? Should I/we create a new top-level section after section "Public opinion in Israel and Palestine"? And what would be a good name for such a section? Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 19:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've created a section titled "Renewed focus on two-state solution". Your input and comments are very much welcome. Misha Wolf (talk) 23:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this article. RolandR (talk) 00:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Or would this one be a better fit? Misha Wolf (talk) 00:48, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Re'im music festival massacre#Requested move 6 January 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Re'im music festival massacre#Requested move 6 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Siege of Gaza City#Requested move 6 January 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Siege of Gaza City#Requested move 6 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:30, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for Project volunteers to answer some questions[edit]

I am writing an article for WP:SIGNPOST, Wikipedia's internal newspaper and am looking for 2-4 WP:Israel Palestine Collaboration volunteers, both longer term and newer members. Feel free to directly add your answers on Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/WikiProject report and let me know if you any questions/comments. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October attack on Israel#Requested move 8 January 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sexual and gender-based violence in the 7 October attack on Israel#Requested move 8 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Holit massacre#Requested move 10 January 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Holit massacre#Requested move 10 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Nir Yitzhak massacre#Requested move 10 January 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nir Yitzhak massacre#Requested move 10 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:37, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Houthi involvement in the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 12 January 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Houthi involvement in the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 12 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip#Requested move 26 January 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip#Requested move 26 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles wanted[edit]

I think we've all noticed the (unsurprising) recent proliferation in new articles that quickly get AFD'd or merged. Meanwhile, there are still articles that have not yet been written but would easily pass GNG as stand-alones. I thought for editors who are interested in making new articles in this topic area, it might be useful to gather some redlinks and greenlinks to turn blue. Here are my suggestions (and GScholar searches for convenience):

Anti-Zionism and antisemitism [4]
Zionist transfer (or 'Transfer' in Zionism) [5]
Palestinians under military government (1948-1966 in Israel, 1967-... in occupied territories) [6]
Looting in Palestine or Looting of Palestine or Looting during the Israeli-Palestinian conflict [7] (includes looting of homes, archives, antiquities, etc., compare with Looting of Poland in World War II, Looting by Russian forces during the Russian invasion of Ukraine)
Biological warfare in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict [8]

Other suggestions welcome, unless this was the wrong place to post this, in which case, sorry! Levivich (talk) 07:55, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Palestinian cultural genocide in case anyone wants to work on that. [9] Levivich (talk) 17:59, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Jewish exodus from the Muslim world#Requested move 26 February 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Jewish exodus from the Muslim world#Requested move 26 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:40, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please help improve the following articles[edit]

Requesting collaboration to improve the articles List of terrorist incidents in the Palestinian territories, List of terrorist incidents in Israel in 2022, and List of terrorist incidents in Israel in 2024 , which are all currently being considered for deletion, in order to make sure that these articles align with Wikipedia guidelines. I believe that all the major issues brought up in the deletion request could be addressed and fixed if we work to improve these articles collaboratively, especially considering the precedent of similar articles existing for various other countries on the English Wikipedia. Your expertise and contributions are highly valued. WikiJunkie (talk) 14:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Al-Rashid humanitarian aid incident#Requested move 29 February 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Al-Rashid humanitarian aid incident#Requested move 29 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:12, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Artists4Ceasefire[edit]

Dear all

I've just created an article for Artists4Ceasefire, any additions are very welcome.

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 11:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all, I'd appreciate some help with it, someone has added what appears to be government propaganda trying to discredit the organisation by pretending the symbol they use celebrates a lynching. John Cummings (talk) 00:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Animal stereotypes of Palestinians in Israeli discourse[edit]

Thoughts on this newly-created article? AusLondonder (talk) 13:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have just read it and feel very depressed for human kind. A well written article though. Onceinawhile (talk) 17:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israel–Hamas war[edit]

Hi everyone, I've started a new article on the topic of destruction of cultural heritage during the Israel–Hamas war. It's not comprehensive but hopefully gives an overview of the topic. Any edits or suggestions are of course welcome. Richard Nevell (talk) 17:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel#Requested move 13 April 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel#Requested move 13 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:2024 Iranian strikes in Israel#Requested move 14 April 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Iranian strikes in Israel#Requested move 14 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip#Requested move 11 April 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip#Requested move 11 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IRC Channel: on Liberal and not on Freenode[edit]

Hi, a minor nit:

The page mentions that the IRC channel is on Freenode (that makes no sense. Surely there's no Wikipedia activity there). The link to the Webchat sends to a channel on Libera Chat. For now, the channel there is dormant and does not seem to be registered. Should I register it? Tzafrir (talk) 11:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Weaponization of antisemitism[edit]

There is a requested move at Weaponization of antisemitism that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Mistamystery (talk) 23:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]