Talk:Barracuda Lounge

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:41, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that Barracuda is home to the longest-running bar show in New York City, which may have inspired RuPaul's Drag Race? Source 1: "... 'Star Search,' a weekly competition at Barracuda that preceded RuPaul's Drag Race by more than 15 years and probably served as one of its inspirations." ([1]) / Source 2: "'Star Search is the longest-running bar night in New York,' says Pontarelli." ([2])
  • ALT1:... that a long-running drag show at Barracuda may have inspired RuPaul's Drag Race? Source: "... 'Star Search,' a weekly competition at Barracuda that preceded RuPaul's Drag Race by more than 15 years and probably served as one of its inspirations." ([3])
  • ALT2:... that Barracuda is home to the longest-running bar show in New York City? Source 1: "'Star Search is the longest-running bar night in New York,' says Pontarelli." ([4]) / Source 2: "Candis: Star Search was pretty major at Barracuda. / Sherry: It's the longest-running night in New York City. It's literally 25 years old. ([5])
  • ALT3:... that Miz Cracker, Peppermint and Bob the Drag Queen all worked at Barracuda before appearing on RuPaul's Drag Race? Source 1: "Barracuda also kickstarted the careers of drag legends like Candice Cane, Jackie Beat, Peppermint and more." ([6]) / Source 2: "Some of the biggest and best names have come through Barracuda — Jackie Beat, Sherry Vine, Peppermint, Tina Burner, Candis Cayne, Shasta Cola, Mona Foot, Bob the Drag Queen — I can go on and on." ([7]) / Source 3: "[Barracuda] gave me one of my first big drag gigs." (Podcast interview with Miz Cracker @ 09:25)

• Reviewed: Anti-Jewish violence in Czechoslovakia (1918–1920)
• Comment: This would be especially suitable to appear on the main page during June (Pride Month).

Created by Armadillopteryx (talk). Self-nominated at 04:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - Hook is great, although the comma after City isn't needed.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: A great article you've created and the hooks are all great. I have a preference for the original hook. Just a note/question about the article title: if everything in the article (and the DYK hooks) refer to it as Barracuda, why is the article called Barracuda Lounge? Aside from that and the comma, I'm happy with this! Soaper1234 - talk 10:48, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Soaper1234, and thanks for the review! The article is called Barracuda Lounge for the purposes of WP:NATURAL disambiguation, since the Barracuda article is about the fish. A minority of sources refer to the venue as "Barracuda Lounge" or even "The Barracuda Lounge" (though most just call it "Barracuda"), so this seemed an appropriate way to distinguish it from the fish while avoiding parenthetical disambiguation. Also, the clause in the first hook is a non-restrictive relative clause, so the comma must be there. Thanks again! Armadillopteryx^talk 11:55, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

@Armadillopteryx: Thank you for the fast reply! That makes sense now, I had wondered if you were avoiding parenthetical disambiguation, but thought I'd ask! Thank you for clearing all that up. In that case, this nomination is good to go! Well done! Soaper1234 - talk 12:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

@Soaper1234: Thank you! Armadillopteryx^talk 12:44, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Address format

@Nikkimaria: Is there something in the MOS to support changes like this? If not, I'd like to restore the standard address format. Thanks, Armadillopteryx^talk 00:54, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

(1) MOS:LINK, specifically MOS:SEAOFBLUE, indicates that placing two links right next to each other is not appropriate as they are not visually distinguishable. (2) MOS:POSTABBR indicates that postcodes (including the US equivalent) and state abbreviations should not be included in infoboxes. (3) It's redundant to include a full postal address when the location parameter is also used. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:04, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: Thanks. I'm aware of MOS:SEAOFBLUE, which says to avoid links right next to each other when possible, but it does not strictly prohibit the practice. MOS:POSTABBR is something I'd searched for but not found previously—thank you for linking that! Do you know of any documentation on how the address field and location field are supposed to be used together in infoboxes like this? To my dismay, I couldn't find anything in the infobox documentation while writing the article. Armadillopteryx^talk 01:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately that's something that's typically documented on a template-by-template basis. On the matter of linking, while it's not strictly prohibited, I don't see a strong rationale for this edit since it makes the article less accessible for our readers. Can you explain? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes. This edit undid a change that had introduced a grammatical error into the sentence. The term "New York City" is offset by commas per MOS:GEOCOMMA, but changing the first comma to "in" without deleting the second comma makes the remaining comma an error. The clause "that is known for its nightly drag shows" is a restrictive relative clause and is not supposed to be preceded by a comma.

Simply removing the comma would result in a grammatical sentence, but it would also make the sentence more cumbersome and less readable. Having some kind of punctuation to break the sentence up makes it clearer for readers, but obviously it shouldn't go against grammatical conventions or the MOS. Personally, I think the present version is the most concise way to handle that, though I'm open to suggestions. Armadillopteryx^talk 11:19, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

[8]. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Works for me! Armadillopteryx^talk 11:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Layout

Another Believer, it's good to see you around, as always!

Just wanted to leave a quick note that there is significant variation in screen sizes + aspect ratios, and edits that may make an article look better one one screen can be a significant disimprovement on another.

The latest two formatting edits to this article make it much worse on my screen. The "Star Search" image is now pushed many lines down from where it's meant to be, as it's crashing into the infobox. This in turn pushes the image of Nathan Lane further down, and that image then pushes the image of the fish tank so far down that it's not even in the right section anymore.

I also don't think, in general, that it looks good for a relatively short article with five images to have them all aligned on one side of the screen and none of the other. It looks like one long snake of a photo gallery on my screen.

The latest edits to the Q similarly cause issues on my screen. The photo grid is pushed way out of position by the infobox, which wasn't happening when the grid was on the left side of the page instead of the right.

I'm assuming these edits are improvements to the article on your screen, so I won't revert them, but did just want to point out that it may be worth it to consider what's optimal for screens of different sizes and aspect ratios when making layout adjustments.

Anyway, hope you're having a good day, and happy editing! Armadillopteryx 04:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Armadillopteryx Hello! I completely understand where you're coming from. Ever since Vector 2022 was implemented, I've tried to place media in ways which work for many screen types. On my screen, left-aligned images are often problematic and cause text to get squeezed. I've been working to adjust media based on the new skin, but understand what looks best on my laptop screen may not look best for others. I very much invite you to display images in the ways that work best for you, especially on articles where you're the primary author! I certainly won't be offended -- I want the articles to look the best for the most number of people, so be bold! :) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:21, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Update: I've reverted my two most recent edits. As I said in the edit summary, I don't prefer how the two-image gallery with the caption "Stage area at Barracuda..." interferes with the box quote, but I want what's best for most users. Feel free to tinker with things here or over at The Q. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)