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Population

Surely there must be a population on these islands worth mentioning? --rmhermen

    • Yes, there is, I know plenty of them, I'll edit something about them, But they are normal Portuguese people, their most pecculiar difference is their french-like accent. --Pedro 23:56, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Really? I never thought my family spoke Portuguese with a French like accent? Then again I never been to the mainland or know any mainlanders here in California. Could you provide audio samples? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.119.208 (talk) 08:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Note: there is mention in the article of the migration to Massachusetts ie. Fall River, New Bedford area. Certain families then sent male members ahead to California. These then sent for other family members who populated the Kings County area. This is a significant migration event producing renown in some industries of California, as well as the entertainment industry ie Steve Perry of the rock band Journey. Will other persons aware of this and the Hawaiian migration also please post what they know in this discussion. This is significant information about the effect the people of the Azores, apart from its Portuguese mainland relationship, has had on the world. It is particular for those persons genetically specific to this area as an autonomous area and genetic pool of related families. I have run into only a few Azorean cousins who did not know that we are all related, particularly in the California area of Kings County. It is critical to preserve the relationship of the Azoreans with the Californian Azoreans, as has been noted in Fall River. Please post if you have any further information: family names in California are primarily: Perriera (Perry), Serpa (after which there is a street name), and many more. Please post what you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.52.210.14 (talk) 07:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Distance from North America

The article says, "...about 3,900 km (2,400 mi) from the east coast of North America." Additional, it is also stated that, "The two westernmost Azorean islands (Flores and Corvo) actually lie on the North American plate, about 1,925 km (1,200 mi) from St. John's in the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador.". These 2 distances would seem to be hard to reconcile within this article as there is 1,975 km difference. St. John's, NF is on the east coast of North America. Even if you took into account that St. John's was on an island and not the mainland, there is only 592 km between St. John's and Cape Breton Island and 903 km to Halifax, Nova Scotia on the mainland - both distances are considerably less than the 1,975 km difference.

Some clarification is needed. How are these 2 distances measured - from where to where? According to Google Earth, it is approximately 2,700 km from Flores to Halifax, NS and approximately 3,200 km from Sao Miguel to Halifax. Both of these distances are shorter than the stated 3,900 km to North America. Beowulf cam (talk) 19:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

They are clearly not in the 'middle' of the Atlantic as the article absurdly states, as a quick glance at a map (and basic understanding of how to read a map) will show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.94.86 (talk) 19:56, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Atlantis

Is there remnants of Atlantis on this island? If so I think their should be a section for it is the last remaining piece of land from Atlantis.

That falls into legend or speculation. No place in WP. --maf 17:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Atlantis is still listed under "See Also". Should it be removed? I didn't see any mention of it in the text; the reason I went to the talk page was to see if there is an explanation. Perhaps there should be a sentence saying, "the Azores are believed to be the inspiration for the legend of Atlantis" (assuming that can be backed up with research) and then not have it in the "See Also".P.L.A.R. 01:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be removed. The link with the Azores and Atlantis is very weak. Not enough to list it anywhere on the Azores page. Atlantis is under Antartica!

I think we should add it because there is some people who actually believes it (IMHO makes somes sense, too). As long we state this is merely a supossition of inhabitants and others it shouldn't do any harm

Naming conventions

I'm still trying to understand naming conventions: Why isn't this "Azore Islands," please? -- isis

In naming conventions, an important rule is to use the most common name. Determining this is usually easy: look at another encyclopedia, dictionary or map. Alternatively, one can enter the two terms in Google and see which pops up most frequently. In this case "Azores" gives me about 240,000 hits, "Azore Islands" only a few hundred. Jeronimo
Thanks. -- isis
I recommend http://www.googlebattle.com for that purpose. --maf 17:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
That because we in Portugal we say only "Açores", "Madeira" or somethings else, its easier. than saying "arquipélago dos Açores".... -Pedro 23:56, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Name Origin

I'm pretty sure that the portion suggesting that 'Açores' is derived from the plural of blue 'azul' (claimed to be 'azures') is completely false as the plural for blue in português is 'azuis'. If someone could back the 'azures' assertion up with some documentation that would be nice, otherwise I feel that it should be removed from the entry. Is 'azures' possibly an antiquated spelling from before the portuguese spelling conventions were redone?

  • The Azores are named after the Açor which is known as the Goshawk in English. The first explores of the islands mistook the local birds for the Goshawk. That is why there is a large bird on the flag. It is supposed to be the Goshawk or the Açor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.119.208 (talk) 09:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Also, this (false) explanation for the origin of the name pretty obviously comes from the French language. At no point in time was "azul" spelled "azur" in Portuguese. CHawc (talk) 13:35, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Islands/Archipelago

Why not change the part which reads "The Azores are a group of Portuguese islands" to "The Azores is a Portuguese Archipelago", adding a link to wikipedia's archipelago entry?

  • Hmmm? Because English speakers use the word "islands" more than archipelago. They say "Azores Islands", "Canary Islands", etc. We use more the word archipelago, but this is the English wikipedia. You can link archipelago with islands [[archipelago|islands]] . -Pedro 13:30, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

'Açor' is portuguese name for Accipiter gentilis, a falconlike bird who existed there when the first portuguese sailers arrived to the archipelagous. Barbeiro 18:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Highest Mountain?

"The mountain of Pico on Pico Island at 2,351 m in altitude, is the highest in all of Portugal. The Azores are actually the tops of the tallest mountains on the planet as measured from their base at the bottom of the ocean. The islands are an autonomous region of Portugal."

I thought this honor was held by Mauna Loa / Mauna Kea on Hawaii. from University of North Dakota: "Mauna Loa is the largest volcano on Earth with an estimated volume of 9,600 cubic miles (40,000 cubic kilometers)." - it's also taller at 4,170m. --198.3.8.1 16:17, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

The article says the mountains are the tallest when measured "from their base at the bottom of the ocean", not from sea level. Are the Maunas taller using this measurement method? --maf 17:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The tallest mountain is different from the tallest volcano. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CHawc (talk • contribs) 13:12, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Azorean Talk

How about a section of the azorean "dialect". The portuguese variations that the azoreans have. - M.Cartello

it is not a "dialect" its just a accent. the accent is different in each of the nine islands, the one mainland portuguese usually associate with azoreans is just in sao miguel island, the other islands have accents similar to mainland portuguese. if a section about the azorean accents would to be created, then why isnt there any sections (in their related articles) about porto accent, alentejo accent, lisbon accent, madeira accent and algarve accent? - --Cyprus2k1 09:09, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Why not include it? There is no requirement that more developed articles include this first. I don't speak portuguese, but I think a Sao Miguel (where I've been) accent/dialect would be worth mentioning. ✏ Sverdrup 15:11, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
That's why i said "portuguese variation". Okay how about a section of Azorean Portuguese aka "O Micaelense". - M.Cartello
I'm a linguistics student, and a "variation" is a dialect. Also, Azorean Portuguese does has some different lexical items and even a few syntactic differences from the standard Portuguese dialect. Calling it a dialect is completely accurate.
  • Hi. Yesterday, a a TV show in a national youth cable channel an Azorean called in, and the presenter a Northern Portuguese couldnt understand the accent, and started laughing, cause he really couldnt understand almost nothing, because of the strong voice and french-like vowels. For southern Portuguese especially people from the Algarve it could be easier for them to understand, because the dialect is related. Most of the settlers where from the Algarve and surprise, the french like accent possibly comes from early French settlers. Though in the Portuguese mind, considering an accent has a dialect is already to much, even if many linguists consider a dialect and accent the same. But we can't consider the term that dialect has sometimes. Azorean is really just an odd accent, you just need to get use to it. There isnt any differenciation. IMO, this accent (from São Miguel island) is the most hard to understand from all the accents from every country that I know - at least for me. But, I have also difficulty in understanding a strong accent from Faial Island. From the rest, no, even if they all share many similarities. You should remember, there is nothing different in it, even if strong Azorean accent is not understood by some people, that doesnt mean nothing cause all the structure, lexicon, etc is the same. There are grammatical and use of different diphtongs ('ou' and 'oi'/ô) between Southern and Northern Portuguese (even if there is no difficulty in understanding), but with Azoreans I dont know any such differences. If they ease their pronunciation they would be perfectly understood - what is very common these days. Or, continental living in the Azores also have no difficulty. Though I would need Internet references to start writing (I dont know any even in Portuguese), cause these things move on with pride (I remember one with an ignorant in another article about another accent) and, for this one, I dont really have much backup. More, in any other regions even countries in wikipedia there arent references to accents. We should always remember, everyone has their own dialect, that share common features with your family, neighbours, etc. So I think that is nothing special to be mentioned, especially in a Enclyclopedia in English. In real life it is special, because it characterizes one. Yes, I'm going out with too many linguists and these are my two cents. -Pedro 01:12, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

(pre?) history

Does anyone have anything to say about the islands before 1427? They didn't just spring out of the ocean at that point, I suspect.... -FZ 16:23, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • Are you talking about the vulcanic origin or the artifact found in the islands? There is an interesting story about pottery in the Island, some centuries ago, and I think that pottery is lost, and some people think it is related to Atlantis (me, LOL). Hugs - Pedro 01:15, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes. In fact, I was thinking the same. It is said (as I can't confirm this ;) that the islands were already shown in pre-1427 maps and it was Prince Henry that sent explores specifically to find out what these islands were. Can anyone add to this?

There's been finds of imperial Roman coins buried in the earth, implying that the islands were at least visited by Roman sailors, whether shipwrecked or a bit more regularly. Strausszek (talk) 07:21, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Azores: Europe, Africa, or North America?

Hi! Does anyone know if, geographically, the Azores are considered a part of Europe, Africa, both, neither ... ? I realise they are of Portugal, but its proximity to Africa makes its locale 'status' uncertain. Merci! E Pluribus Anthony 12:23, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Proximity to Africa? Are you talking about Azores or Madeira? Azores are part of Europe, except Flores and Corvo, which are part of the AmericanNorth American continent (being west of Atlantic Riff).Marco Neves 20:56, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

To clarify: I suppose I meant to ask which continent do Spanish and Portuguese territorial archipelagos in the North Atlantic (Azores, Madeira, Canary Islands) belong to? :) This has been answered to my satisfaction. Abraçao! E Pluribus Anthony 01:09, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Madeira and Azores are considered as part of Europe. There was an issue some time ago with Madeira (because it is closer to Africa), but it is also considered part of Europe. 1) an Island isnt part of any continent 2) culturally European 3) the Azores are not in a single plate and its closer continent is Europe, 2 islands are in the American plate (Fores, Corvo). 4) this is why I dont like those templates in the bottom of the articles, and I think they should be removed, they are full of nonsence. I don't know what continent belong the Canary islands, cause these islands are really close to Africa, but that doesnt occur with the Portuguese islands. -Pedro 12:34, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your response; I'm aware of the various arguments regarding continents and their constituents: my initial question was more borne out of a desire to properly colourise the various (namely, Portuguese) island groups for the various continents (in one possible interpretation of what 'continents' are). I disagree that templates are nonsense: they may help users (esp. novice ones) to navigate and learn more about a land. Actually, perhaps a template should be added regarding tectonic plates (but I'm not proposing this)? ;) E Pluribus Anthony 16:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
The islands were a part of Christopher Columbus's stops for re-stocking on the way to the west in search of India (so he thought), I read once upon a time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.24.3 (talk) 06:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Not on the 1492/93 voyage, that's for sure. The last stop in 1492 before he crossed the ocean was the Canary isles, and he had to avoid the Portuguese.Strausszek (talk) 09:34, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

True, but that was on the way out. On the way back a ship coming from any part of the Americas had to catch the gulf stream northward along the North American coast, then to pick the westerlies toward the Azores and the mainland of Europe. Having said that, the Azores were an important port of call for ships coming from the Americas and Africa towards Europe. Madeira, the Canaries and Cape Verde on the other hand were ports of call for ships leaving Europe. Before the invention of the steam engine, sail ships had to use the ocean and wind gyres to move.

Pluribus Anthony, The Azores are not closer to Africa. They stand to the west of mainland Portugal at the same latitudes. Madeira on the other hand is closer to Africa than to Europe. If we consider islands belonging to continents by using the criterium of the shortest distance to continents - arguable, I know - The Azores are in Europe, Madeira is in Africa, Malta is in Africa, Cyprus is in Asia, Iceland and Greenland are in North America. If we use tectonic plate criteria, Madeira is in Africa, the two most westerly islands of the Azores are in North America, Iceland is split between Eurasia and North-America, and part of Italy is in Africa as well. If we use culture as rule, all these islands, maybe except Greenland, are Europe, but then the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and Chile are in Europe as well (loool). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.29.194 (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Name

Why isn't this at Azores? Usually articles are located at their most common English name. For example, the article on Spain is located at Spain and not at España. NoIdeaNick 23:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree: was this move discussed? If not, it should be and, if necessary, reversed. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I moved the article back. If anyone has a problem with the current name, it can be discussed here. NoIdeaNick 23:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Great. If it matters any: there are 4.8 million online references to "Azores", while only one-third as many for "Açores". E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Translation of motto

I've just changed the translation of the motto from "peacefully subjugated" to "in peace subjugated". As it was, I interpreted it as "being put into subjugation in a peaceful manner". If I did it right, it should now mean "living subjugated under peace". I also researched subjugated vs. subdued in the Wiktionary, and subjugated seems better. If you disagree, please go ahead and discuss or, even better, edit. --maf 17:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Air Transat Incident

I'm not sure why this is there. Is it really important to add this? If so we would have to list all air incidents including a number of crashes. Should I go ahead & delete it? Minimia 00:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

NO! A sucessful deadstck (no power) landing from something like 120 km out is EXTREMLY unusual and should be left in as it might lead the interested to explore the details of the incident. You should look into it yourself as it contains some extremely dumb and some extremely astute piloting skills on the part of the cockpit crew. I found the official account of the incident as interesting as a good detective novel and I don't care that much for airplane stories.--TGC55 16:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I strongly disagree -- this is not of direct interest to the Azores itself, but rather concerns aviation, which is N O T the subject of the article. I am removing. 24.3.142.198 16:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Portuguese Regional Legislative elections

I note we have this article: Portuguese Regional Legislative election, 2000, and one for 1996; but not for 2004.

Why are none of them linked to from here? -- Mais oui! 04:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Geology?

This article could use some discussion of the physical process by which the islands are believed to have formed. —SlamDiego 21:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. There is much excellent info in the following book: Scarth, Alwyn (2001). Volcanoes of Europe. Oxford University Press. pp. 243 pp. ISBN 0-19-521754-3. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
I may update this article later when I have some time, along with the articles on many of the individual Azores islands. --Seattle Skier (talk) 04:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Azorean Immigrants

I don't know if this would belong in the article, but there are probably as many people from the Azores in the southern New England region of the U.S. as there are currently in the Azores today. There is a very high concentration of Azorean immigrants in Fall River and New Bedford, MA as well as East Providence, RI. It is extremely common to find Portuguese markets, and feasts, especially in Fall River. Davidsomerset007 (talk) 18:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)--Sbtagent (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I noticed when visiting the azores, there are regular flights to New Providence ( 2007)and when in Bermuda I noticed in a local post office, signs in protugese. They told me Portugese was an official language besides english in bermuda, and in a shop i sa a newspaper in Portugese languade. An old woman told me the azore people who came there a long time ago, worked in the plantages and as house-builders.--Sbtagent (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)svein b t--Sbtagent (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Note: there is mention in the article of the migration to Massachusetts ie. Fall River, New Bedford area. Certain families then sent male members ahead to California. These then sent for other family members who populated the Kings County area. This is a significant migration event producing renown in some industries of California, as well as the entertainment industry ie Steve Perry of the rock band Journey. Will other persons aware of this and the Hawaiian migration also please post what they know in this discussion. This is significant information about the effect the people of the Azores, apart from its Portuguese mainland relationship, has had on the world. It is particular for those persons genetically specific to this area as an autonomous area and genetic pool of related families. I have run into only a few Azorean cousins who did not know that we are all related, particularly in the California area of Kings County. It is critical to preserve the relationship of the Azoreans with the Californian Azoreans, as has been noted in Fall River. Please post if you have any further information: family names in California are primarily: Perriera (Perry), Serpa (after which a street is named). Please post what you know. It is critical to preserve this and to have an adequate article section for this subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.52.210.14 (talk) 07:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Religion

There should be a section on the religious beliefs in the Azores. I don't have statistics, but there is obviously a high concentration of Roman Catholicism. (Look at the names of the feasts)Davidsomerset007 (talk) 18:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Eh! Eh! Well, my friend, one can say that, at least nominally, the Azores are 99% Roman Catholic. The Ogre (talk) 20:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Numerous Azoreans who migrated to Caifornia were Sephardim (Jewish). There is mention of this in the book Stories of the Azores Immigrants of California. One grandmother referred to in the story cited the tendency to hang crosses everywhere in the home out of fear for another significant persecution of the Jews. I will return with further citation and references from this book, as this discussion is in process. Antisemitic allusions do not belong in this discussion, be they to Catholics or Jews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.52.210.18 (talk) 07:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Detailed Map, Anyone?

I can't believe that an article existing for so long hasn't yet been provided with a map where i can immediately identify each individual island. As it is, i have to click on individual articles to know which island is which. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.214.97.4 (talk) 23:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

EEZ Location

"The two westernmost Azorean islands (Flores and Corvo) actually lie on the North American plate and are only 1,925 km (1,200 mi) from St. John's in the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador." and "The westernmost point of this area is 3,380 km (2,100 mi) from the North American continent." seem to contradict each other. If the distance between the islands and Canada is accurate, it would put the EEZ well to the east of the Azores themselves (Unless Wikipedia has determined that Canada is not in fact part of North America.) E5z8652 (talk) 03:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The article Discovery of the Azores Islands I believe fits much better into this article. In addition, the article does not provide enough context nor does indicate that it can stand on its own as an article due to the lack of sources establishing notability. Discuss below whether this should be merged or not. MuZemike (talk) 18:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I changed the page into a redirect as all the information there was already present in this article. --Jhattara (Talk · Contrib) 07:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


Salazar never was a Hitler's friend.

The article writes:"In 1943, during the Second World War, The Portuguese dictator, António de Oliveira Salazar, leased bases in the Azores to the British, despite his previous collaboration with Germany.[2] "

Please, António de Oliveira Salazar never was an eugenist, a racist or a Hitler's friend in any sense.He accepted comerce with Nazi Germany and this gave money to Portugal, but he never was a friend of Hitler.Salazar was ever against any kind of eugenics ; including the nazism.Agre22 (talk) 23:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)agre22

The concept of friendship between the two dictators isn't mentioned, simply the concept of collaboration, just as you have asserted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CHawc (talk • contribs) 13:19, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Internet

How well connected is the Azores to the internet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.130.22 (talk) 21:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

A number of the submarine fibre optic cables which connect the Western and Eastern hemispheres have a node on the Azores, which carry a majority of data transfers to and from the islands. Two media conglomerates and one telecom corporation also operate triple-play services, which sometimes use satellite antennae, but most often use said submarine cables.

citizenship

How does one become a portugese resident and citizen? Does the autonomous status of the islands make any difference in settling there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.130.22 (talk) 21:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

There is no legal difference between autonomous and non-autonomous citizens's rights or duties. One must hold employment for 5 (not necessarily consecutive) years to apply for Portuguese citizenship. CHawc (talk) 13:26, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The article gives the Portuguese pronunciation but not the English. I have heard "AY-zorz", "uh-ZORZ" and both seem to be recognized here [1] and here [2]. Wikipedia seems to like having pronunciation advice in IPA, however incomprehensible that is for the vast majority of its readers, but I'm going to put it in the way I have it above so that the information is there, if someone familiar with IPA wants to change it I don't actually know the policy.

Also do we really need the Portuguese IPA? I vote no, but I'll leave that for another day. Jieagles (talk) 20:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I've only heard "uh-ZORZ" from British speakers; all other nationalities I've heard speak it have said "AY-zorz". Native bilinguals (PT+EN) prefer the latter. CHawc (talk) 13:28, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Earthquakes

The Azores locates almost same as Turkey in latitude. Could the islands be next strong earthquake location following the one in eastern Turkey? If so that major tsunami could attack western Atlantic coast, some major cities such as New York could be in great danger. Both Haiti and Taiwan in same latitude have experienced strong earthquakes recently. In southern hemisphere Chile and New Zealand are earthquake prone countries, New Zealand could be next area? Hope nothing happens. Dean Chin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.204.189 (talk) 14:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Plate tectonics. The Azores are on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. You get usually earthquakes weaker than 8.0 on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, on the East African Rift, and on the Midcontinent Rift System. As I see it. Image:Plates tect2 en.svg. If the Pacific Plate gets a relative movement on one side, it adds strain on the other side. Image: Graph of largest earthquakes 1906-2005.png. Around three quarters of the seismic moment are earthquakes greater than 8.0. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 07:56, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but, how is latitude directly related to the location of the occurrence of successive quakes?
The Azores have experienced a very large number of earthquakes in various magnitudes before, the most powerful in recorded history being in 1980. It takes a massive landslide into or within the ocean to cause a tsunami, which is related to far more variables than earthquake intensity. CHawc (talk) 13:41, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Meteorology

"Removed meteorological since doesn't correspond to the Azores, but rather one place (Ponta Delgada), there is too much variability between the islands to use this table for the Azores". I disagree, so you are leaving the readers without any idea about the climate. On the average the climate should be quite the same, at least for somebody living far away. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 15:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Living here in the Azores, and having traveled to most of the islands, I know that the table used is invalid as pertains to the other islands. This is particularly the case for Santa Maria, where the climate is quite dry, and not considered Mediterranean; meanwhile, the islands of Flores and Corvo, owing to the their position is susceptible to far greater levels of precipitation and stronger winds. Regardless, unless a valid table of meteorological values that encompasses the variation in the islands, using Ponta Delgada as a surrogate is erroneous.--Ruben JC 23:32, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
No information, no idea, no orientation is very bad. The ocean averages the temperature. If Santa Maria gets less precitation and the islands of Flores and Corvo get more, you can write a note, and give more information, never less.--Chris.urs-o (talk) 07:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Have resolved this issue with data derived from the Portuguese Institute of Meteorology, for the archipelago as a whole, utilizing data for 1971-2000. In addition, the Institute provides data on weather extremes, and I have included data showing the variability. What is unfortunate is that the data does not show the extreme variability, island-to-island, but explanations in each island might clarify this.--Ruben JC (talk) --Ruben JC 02:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Thx. Smile. I think for a visitor this information is ok. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 08:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Population Genetics

Okay, maybe I am outside the times here, but when was it important to include information on population genetics? It almost smacks of eugenics, and is not included in any other of the description of "peoples" of the world. Actually, I am more concerned the content in the section (should it be retained) seems to be written in a form that is not accessible by any reader. In context of the rest of the article, which is straightforward, this section completely alienates. I suggest eliminating this portion completely from the Azores article, but can be convinced with a good justification. --Ruben JC (talk) --Ruben JC 13:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC-1)

That's the way the world is wagging. Genetics is winning. Gould is dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.153.42 (talk) 12:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Is that really a good argument for retaining this section? Ruben JC (Zeorymer) (talk) 09:59, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


Before making statements, one needs to have justification (aka. scientific evidence) to support a claim. Currently somebody has wrote "the vast majority of the Azorean population is a mixture of Southern Portuguese, Jews, Moors, etc". This statement is not consistent with scientific findings. Modern genetic research has shown similarity between the island populations. In addition, recent research focusing directly on the population of Sao Miguel showed majority of the genetic background came from Northern Portugal. The Sub-Saharan Y-DNA, mt-DNA, and autosomal DNA imprint is comparable to other European populations. Azores' population clusters within the European group. Also the relatively recent influx of Jews from Morocco could account for a Sub-Saharan imprint to be observed in the popluation, although one must note that this does not mean that all the population has the same lineage. As a side note, no paper I read mention the merchant trade agreement that allowed Jews from Morocco to settle in Sao Miguel as a possible reason why some islanders share DNA with Moroccans and Africans in general, even though it is clearly written in the historical papers. This is a major flaw in their research. Furthermore, of the Azores' modern day population about 3% is from Brazil (they immigrated). Coupled with the fact that Asian DNA markers have been found in the islands (remember Amerindians are genetically Asian), this would suggest that a number of the recent immigrants make up part of the candidate pool for the Azores Islands genetics researchers. Further note that every sample that I know of from the untold number of papers I have read all indicate that the samples were obtained at random from blood banks at local hospitals on the islands. This means that recent immigrants could be included in the study and thus not give an accurate picture of the native, and the majority, of the population. A simple Google search will yield the relevant papers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.23.162.69 (talk) 08:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

São Miguel Settled by Slaves?

Somebody keeps adding the completely made up claim that the first settlers in São Miguel were African slaves imported to "cleared the rocks" before the Portuguese arrived. This outrageous and bogus claim, possibly made by someone with a racist agenda, needs to be backed up by documents, research or other credible sources. A small number of slaves were subsequently imported to the islands **AFTER** being settled by the Portuguese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.242.193.55 (talk) 12:45, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Tourism and economy?

After reading the article, I noted that there is no mention of tourism to or in the Azores. It would improve the article to include a section of tourist atractions, activities or destinations. The way it stands now it appears that the island group is seldom visited by outsiders. The same applies to economic activities. It would appear that there are about 245,000 people with no visable means of support or activity. --TGC55 (talk) 00:52, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Coat of arms

Hello, would someone please edit the word "Symbol" which means nothing and replace it with "Coat of arms," which is correct. Every time I try to carry out this edit myself, the Symbol png is lost, leaving only the flag. Thank you ! Degourdon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Degourdon (talk • contribs) 00:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

MAPS!

Take a look at the location on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azores — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.134.186.45 (talk) 23:20, 20 July 2011 (UTC)


Article needs better map

Can anyone produce a better map that shows the islands in relation to a major land mass? The one in the info box is barely adequate and sort of difficult to discern, it being only (248 × 112 pixels) in full size view. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I've changed the locator map to one relative to the European continent. In fact, this image was once used on this site, and was likely changed by a another user. Ruben JC (Zeorymer) (talk) 20:39, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Much better. Thanks!!! -- I have now linked to this map on the Stephen Decatur page.
-- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:11, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Translations

Ruben, if you believe that the translations aren't right, then please inform the correct ones. I DO think that the article is enhanced by their inclusion. Another thing: please never ever revert all I've done, including valid corrections to the article. If you didn't agree with the translations, you should have taken away only them, instead of reverting the whole of my edits.
Lastly, I can't see how your argument that translations "should be supported by verifiable citations" apply here. Translations are just that, translations. I don't see references to the translations given inside each of those articles. Should they all be removed too? You seem to be acting as the owner of the article, and this isn't acceptable. But if two or three other people also argue against this change, then I'll concede. (That's why I brought the discussion to the article's talk page, by the way.) capmo (talk) 21:22, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I must agree with Ruben here, as your edits make the text clunky and unappealing. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 02:48, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

A few comments

1. The article says "Pico-Jão Jorge Channel". Is it correct? I don't think so.

2. "geotectonic and socio-economic". Shouldn't hyphenation be consistent?

3. "The festival of Nossa Senhora de Lourdes, (Our Lady of Lourdes), patron saint of whalers, begins in Lajes on Pico on the last Sunday of August and runs through the week—Whalers Week." The last part of the sentence doesn't sound good.

ICE77 (talk) 04:01, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

1) It's not, I've corrected it.
2) It should, I've corrected it.
3) I don't understand how.
CHawc (talk) 13:50, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. For the last comment, I would use "runs through the so-called Whalers Week". I think it sounds better.

ICE77 (talk) 05:16, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


I'm Azorian and I believe that it isn't correct. Are you talking about the 9 islands? DEIDRA C. (talk) 22:18, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Population Census

Results (not provisional any more) on http://www.ine.pt/xportal/xmain?xpid=INE&xpgid=ine_publicacoes&PUBLICACOESpub_boui=73212469&PUBLICACOEStema=55466&PUBLICACOESmodo=2 Bancki (talk) 13:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Prehistoric rock art found in caves on Terceira Island – Azores

The history section needs to be updated to reflect the discovery of rock art confirmed by the Portuguese Association of Archaeological Research.

http://portuguese-american-journal.com/archeology-prehistoric-rock-art-found-in-caves-on-terceira-island-azores/

98.204.94.2 (talk) 01:02, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Map?

Can somebody add a map showing where the Azores are situated in the Atlantic? --Orang55 05:08, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Agreed, there must be added a bigger map. Suggestions? Shandristhe azylean 13:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


Instructions.... Click on the website to get the map. Run the 'scale' at right on the page toward the minus to see the placement of the Azores in the Atlantic Ocean. The Orange and yellow circles denote harmonic tremors under the Azores Island group. Harmonic tremors are indicative of magma movement...

http://www.cvarg.azores.gov.pt/seismic/index.html 

RAYLEIGH22 (talk) 03:35, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Atlantis and the Azores

MAP — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.134.186.45 (talk) 01:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The more that one studies supervolcanoes the more one understands that the Azores Islands and the sunken caldera of the supervolcano there presents a unique geological formation on the Planet Earth.

There is simply no other geological formation that comes close to mimicking this one. First, you DO have a supervolcano, and it is currently as active as the one at Yellowstone National Park in America. Except, this one is under water.

Furthermore, it is on the mid-Atlantic rift where new seafloor is being formed. In addition, it is at the intersection of the North American Plate, the European Plate and the African Plate.

Claiming that deep sea cores from millions of years ago proves that it has been underwater for millions of years is not quite accurate. You see, the Alps mountains have evidence that they were once the floor of a sea bed. This old Earth is a restless lady. If ground can go up it certainly can subside also, especially in an area of a unique geologic formation that science is only beginning to understand.

As I stated above in 2009, there is little research into the Azores as a location for Atlantis, but claims abound that place it's location at numbers of other places that Plato didn't even mention. The geologic formations are in the Azores to support Plato's story.

Furthermore, this website, http://www.cvarg.azores.gov.pt/seismic/index.html documents the current activity of the Supervolcano in the Azores and it is just as active as the Supervolcano at Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming in the USA. The only difference is that it is deep on the floor of the ocean. It is a collapsed caldera and it is still active.

Why can't Plato's documentation be accepted as written. After all, we still study his philosophy. But when it comes to his historical writings, established does everything that it can to deny the possibility that Atlantis is right where Plato said it was. This is not spiritual mumbo-jumbo. It is not an Edgar Cayce prediction. It is a written record from one of the greatest philosophers who ever lived.

Furthermore, Plato describes in perfect detail the scientific description of a supervolcanic eruption. How would he know this? It is time to shake of the bonds of gradualism and to realize that the last ice age ended at the time that Plato says the eruption occurred. There is evidence spectacular mass extinctions and there is evidence of catastrophic climate change at that time also.

This subject deserves discussion and research. Just saying it didn't happen on the flimsiest of evidence is not science, it is denial. ~~ Rayleigh22

In evidence of Plato's description of Atlantis, the ground and the city, surrounded by concentric rings of land and rings of water or canals, all navigable from an ocean bay one can see that this is a rough description of a collapsed volcanic caldera. http://geology.com/articles/caldera/ Also, see http://www.geology.sdsu.edu/how_volcanoes_work/Calderas.html

It is an accepted fact that a 'hot spot' exists that has created the Hawaiian Island Chain. http://www.hawaii.edu/environment/ainakumuwai/html/ainakumuwaiislandformation.htm However, what might happen if this spot corresponded exactly with a rift zone?

http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/visualizations/es0903/es0903page01.cfm?chapter_no=visualization

With the two descriptions given picture a 'hot spot' passing under a rift zone. Is this what could have happened to Atlantis?

Might a 'hot spot' such as the one at Yellowstone or the one close to Iceland moving under a rift zone cause a portion of a plate to break off and have enough magma extruded from under it to cause it to collapse into the ocean?

The relatively new revelation that Supervolcanoes exist and have erupted in the past should cause the curious, the truly scientific minds, to re-examine Plato as a historian in addition to a philosopher. This especially true because his descriptions of the topography of Atlantis correspond with modern geological descriptions of how the Earth works. Plato did not know this, so how could it be made up?

With the discovery of a Supervolcano near Vesuvius, These volcanoes are not rare. But people still build castles and cities on top of the 'plugs' in their vents...

http://volcanocafe.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/italien-ischia-castello-aragonese.png

What a gorgeous castle. Just like the main castle Plato described...

http://volcanocafe.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/castello-arragonese.jpg

RAYLEIGH22 (talk) 03:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, but you may misunderstand the purpose of this page. Our 'talk' pages are not venues for discussion of the subject of the article, they are for specific discussions on improving the article based on our policies and guidelines (which would exclude Muck as he is not a reliable source according to our criteria). Dougweller (talk) 13:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

So where should I take my discussion, since only gradualist research seems to be accepted? In addition, I can provide research articles that confirm what I am discussing. Click on the map and observe the recent record of earthquakes in the Azores http://www.cvarg.azores.gov.pt/seismic/index.html

These represent a caldera from a mantle plume. A similar geologic formation exists at Iceland but Iceland is not under water. Seismic tomography using "P" waves from earthquakes reveals a mantle plume lying below the Azores. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X0600522X RAYLEIGH22 (talk) 18:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC) thanks...

Sources need to discuss the whole thing, ie the Azores and Atlantis/Plato. You can't have this discussion here, maybe Wikiversity? Dougweller (talk) 20:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

To Dougweller,

So why is Ignatius L. Donnelly allowed to be mentioned as a source but not Dr. Otto Muck in the Atlantis "Article" from where my post that appears above was moved?

In addition, there is no mention of earthquakes or volcanoes in the "Article". Earthquakes are mentioned by Plato as causing the demise of Atlantis.

In addition, would "Gateway to Atlantis" by author Andrew Collins be allowed as a source? Why should this discussion be removed to another location when my first post was allowed to stay for 4 years? This area of geology is currently undergoing a transformation. Thanks! RAYLEIGH22 (talk) 06:46, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

It was clearly a mistake not to remove your 4 year old post, I've done that now. Fringe sources (some at least) can be used in fringe articles such as Atlantis, but they aren't appropriate here IMHO. However, what was missing is a link to *Location hypotheses of Atlantis#Azores Islands which I've now added . Dougweller (talk) 15:50, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
From the sources I've noticed, they did not mention Atlantis. It took your original thinking to link Atlantis to the sources on the Azores, and geologic activity. I've invited you to make your changes to Wikiversity, where this is allowed. I'd headed the page on Atlantis, v:Atlantis. Its yours to edit, just be mindful of future editors, that may have their own input. - - Sidelight12 Talk 01:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

May we leave a link from here to the discussion. I really have no problem moving this discussion, I just have a problem with deleting it. Thanks!!! RAYLEIGH22 (talk) 15:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Also, perhaps a short introduction to the discussion here left with the link to the discussion would be in order. RAYLEIGH22 (talk) 15:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

v:Atlantis and v:talk:Atlantis. I copied this discussion to that talk page. - Sidelight12 Talk 03:37, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Infobox versus Geobox Comment

Since my college Cristiano Tomás has insisted on creating an issue of this subject, I offer that the Infobox versus Geobox debate on the Portuguese namespaces should be debated at the only valid site for this subject: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Portuguese_geography. I have copied the information on the Lisbon debate to that namespace, and offer it as a general debate on the subject. As with the Lisbon debate, I support the use of the Geobox format, the format used on the Azores site until recently, and converted to Infobox, by User:Cristiano Tomás. As my comments on Talk:Lisbon state, and supported on the Wikiproject site, the geography-based Geobox is more appropriate for resuming information on this subject. Cristiano has offered the invalid argument that the Geobox is disorganized and cluttered. On the Wikiproject page are two examples: the Infobox and Geobox for Lisbon, demonstrating that, apart from the aesthetic appeal of the Geobox, many of the arguments about disorganization are invalid and/or misleading. I offer the following examples for the Azores, wherein my college has not duplicated the content available in the Geobox. Once again, I request that Cristiano provide a comparable duplication of the content already present in the Geobox format. ruben jc ZEORYMER (talk) 01:26, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

It has become obvious from Cristianos lack of intervention on this subject, both hear and the Wikiproject Portuguese geography talk pages that his original post was groundless. I am therefore, after a month waiting for a response from the other members of the community, manually reverting the version that had been used, before his original intervention. If someone can provide a rational reasoning why the Infobox is superior to the Geobox, and duplicate the contents, then provide a secondary challenge. ruben jc ZEORYMER (talk) 08:37, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Biased language concerning the discovery of the Azores

The section describing the discovery of the Azores Islands uses biased language and weasel words to encourage one version (that the Azores were known to European sailors prior to Portuguese discovery) over another version (that they were first discovered by Portuguese sailors).

It should first be noted that claims to prior human inhabitation (as mentioned in the article) remain unproven (as also mentioned in the article). This leads us to the first instance of problematic language, the title of the next subsection:

"Exploration and rediscovery"

As no prior discovery is established, the use of "rediscovery" is wrong and misleading.

Next we find that "[i]n addition to many theories, myths and stories" which are not identified or specified (which narratives are these and when do they date from?), we are told that "there have been various Genoese and Catalan maps produced since 1351 that identified islands in the Atlantic." The mere identification of "islands in the Atlantic" is meaningless. Old maps are full of mis-identified and non-existant locations. If the islands shown in those maps are not the Azores and do not, in fact, correspond to any real islands, they are meaningless. This is like the use of the Piri Reis map to "prove" that Antartica was known to medieval people, or indeed the use of any number of maps with mistaken data to "prove" any number of fringe theories (ancient, pre-norse arrival of Europeans in the Americas, the existance of Atlantis or other ancient super-civilizations, etc). It should be noted that later identifications of the Azores with fictional islands believed in prior to their discovery is no more proof that the Azores were known than observing that California was named after a fictional land in a Chivalric romance is proof that the author of said novel knew Southwestern America to exist.

We are then told that "some chroniclers note that sailors knew of the islands", even though only one source is mentioned, and this source is not a chronicler but a 19th century work by an author (Thomas Ashe) who was not a historian, and indeed was a novelist. The use of the expression "some chroniclers" is a use of weasel words. It should be noted that Ashe's book is the only source provided in this whole section.

Next, this section informs us that "Other stories note the discovery of the first islands (...) were made by sailors in the service of Henry the Navigator, although there are few written documents to support the claims". Note the use of the expression "stories" as opposed to the previous remark about "some chronicles", suggesting this latter claim is a story, a fiction. We are also informed that "[s]upporting the official history of the islands are latter day writings, based on oral tradition, that appeared in the first half of the 15th century". The first half of the 15h century (1401 to 1450) predates the only source provided (Ashe) by four hundred years, but these earlier sources are framed in the article in the context of validating stories and "supporting the official history of the islands" - the use of the expression "official history" is redolent of conspiracy theory talk. By contrast, the next sentance tells us that legends and myths formed during "pre-official history", "noting" (again, a word, much like "pre-official", designed to bias the reader to believing that the "offical history" is untrue) "the knowledge of undiscovered lands in the middle of the Atlantic" (the paradoxical language is interesting: how can an "undiscovered land" be known to exist?). By this point, any attempts at concealing the bias for a fringe theory of history has collapsed, and this is demonstrated conclusively by the way the next, one-sentance paragraph begins: "Officially, the islands were "discovered" in the 15th Century (in 1431)" - the scare quotes around "discovered" are explicit in their intention to discredit what the article calls "the official history" and instead suggest that the Azores were known to Europeans before this date (because if they were not known to exist by anyone, the word "discovery" is entirely apt).

A few other observations: - if the islands were discovered in 1431, then what the article describes as "latter day writings, based on oral tradition" supporting official history, "that appeared in the first half of the 15 century" are in fact contemporary to the discovery of the islands: how, then, can they be "based on oral tradition"? - these "latter day writings" are not only contemporary to the (as the article would prefer it) official discovery of the Azores, they also precede the only "writing" quoted as support for the prior knowledge of the islands (Ashe's work) by four centuries. - we are also told that "there are few written documents to support the claims" that the islands were discovered by Portuguese sailors in the employ of Henry the Navigator. However, these "few written documents" are contemporary to this discovery (or "discovery", if one prefers) of the islands rather than, you know, having been written centuries after the fact. - as typical of fringe-historians, the author of this section tries to avoid making any outright claims (i.e., that the Azores were known to the Europeans prior to Portuguese discovery, and that the "official history" is wrong or a lie) which can be verified and either disproven or proven correct. Instead, the claims are framed as suggestion and insinuation, allowing the fringe-historian to shield him or herself from criticism if proven wrong (i.e., by claiming they never actually said the islands had been discovered earlier).

A more patient and analytical approach would have done a better job of demonstrating the problems with this section of the article.

93.102.62.152 (talk) 11:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)Egon, 29-05-201393.102.62.152 (talk) 11:37, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

That was all one major unsourced change made in 2010. I've reverted it back to almost the original version - just a bit of tweaking, using a bit of the rewording of the original. Dougweller (talk) 18:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Dubious distance for Exclusive Economic Zone

I put a request for citation and dubious tag on the following claim (second sentence only):

"The vast extent of the islands defines an immense exclusive economic zone of 1,100,000 km2 (420,000 sq mi). The westernmost point of this area is 3,380 km (2,100 mi) from the North American continent.[citation needed][dubious – discuss]"

From the very eastern edge of Santa Maria island to Newfoundland, the distance is only 1585 miles, less than 2100 miles. This implies that every single island in the Azores as well as the water in between the islands is not part of the EEZ; needless to say, this conflicts with the claim of the EEZ being "immense". This can't be an error of leaving out the word "mainland" from the claim, since the western edge of Flores island is 2100 miles from Worcester, Massachusetts, and quite a bit closer than 2100 miles to the entire state of Maine, and 4 entire Canadian provinces (NB, NS, PEI, and NL). Typically, the EEZ extends out some distance from land to include boundary waters, so this claim is not even close to correct.

Ufwuct (talk) 17:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


After more than a year and no citation given, it's long since time that this claim be retired to the talk page:

The vast extent of the islands defines an immense exclusive economic zone of 1,100,000 km2 (420,000 sq mi). The westernmost point of this area is 3,380 km (2,100 mi) from North America.[citation needed][dubious – discuss]

Ufwuct (talk) 18:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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Genetics citations

I removed and restored content here from the Genetics section. It was added in April 2010 with these cryptic citations and the other references there were removed. I asked the editor about it but the editor basically made these edits and hasn't been here in five years so I think it's better to remove it since there's no good way anyone is ever going to be able to confirm it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I wonder if we have Brazilians here changing and inventing data, like we had some years ago on the Portuguese DNA wikipedia page. Somethings are completely absurd and false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.37.171.168 (talk) 13:22, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Climate data

users keep reverting my edits to the climate data, i can clarify that the 1981-2010 data does NOT have extremes, these are actually the warmest and coldest months recorded. the 1971-2000 data, however, has extremes. It makes sense. London sees highs of 24C in the summer, the highest temp is 37C in July, how can the record azores high be 28.8C, when the average for August is 25.3? See how my logic works? I know that its in the Atlantic, but the uk is too.--151.231.168.16 (talk) 00:39, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

No, these data are correct. Azores are small islands in middle of the ocean. Small island climate characterized by small fluctuations in temperature. On small islands temperature records are barely to few degrees more than average temperature, for example: Bermuda#Climate, Jamestown,_Saint_Helena#Climate etc. UK is located too close to land (Continental Europe), also is large island - 105 times greater than the Azores. Compare the UK and the Azores? It makes no sense. Your data are absurd and based on not reliable source - "holiday-weather.com". Please stop edit warring. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 07:47, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
That data from Holiday weather is unreliable with sunshine hours being way overstated. The official WMO data points to a more lower value than the holiday weather source. I have changed the sunshine hours to use official data rather than some unreliable data. Ssbbplayer (talk) 21:09, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Azores, have various different climates, it´s well known by different authors (Rivas-Martinez, people from Azorean universities , like this one http://www.climaat.angra.uac.pt/, etc...)., saying that´s all about Mediterranean climates, it makes me laugh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.37.171.168 (talk) 15:02, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

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Name origin

"Name origin: açor, Portuguese for species of raptor, erroneously identified as goshawks" Yet, Goshawk is the only translation found for Açor, even in Wikipedia. So, if erroneous, please state correct identification. Most dictionaries translate açor to goshawk or falcon. One fails to see where the error might be, according to this Editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.48.121.144 (talk) 01:59, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps related to this statement from the "European Discovery" section: "Although it is commonly said that the archipelago received its name from the goshawk (Açor in Portuguese), a common bird at the time of discovery, it is unlikely that the bird nested or hunted in the islands." So, I suspect that "erroneously" refers to the Europeans' impression that the goshawk nested or hunted on these islands. Would you like to suggest a way this should be revised? — soupvector (talk) 04:11, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
A more explicit article on the "Azores" name and its discovery is located at History of the Azores, identifying the theories for its naming in detail. ruben jc ZEORYMER (talk) 09:45, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Climate

"The climate of the Azores is very mild for such a northerly location" - isn't it on the same latitude as Sicily? That's not "such a northerly location" to me... 15.195.185.80 (talk) 14:54, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

No, part of the Azores is further North, than Sicily. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.37.171.168 (talk) 12:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Capital(s)

The Azores do not have just one capital city (Ponta Delgada) but three; Angra do Heroísmo and Horta are also capital cities of the Azores Autonomous Region. Please correct that. --B.Lameira (talk) 07:24, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Note to the IP hopper

This is not a forum to discuss possible links between the Azores and the Fortunate Isles. If you have sources that meet WP:RS that make the link, by all means bring them here. Claims about stepped pyramids would need reputable archaeological sources, even Graham Hancock said the photos were photoshopped. Doug Weller talk 12:58, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Economy

I think that it would be good to have a section devoted to a discussion on the economy of the Azores. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.151.231.255 (talk) 22:19, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

The description of the geodynamic setting is overly complex

The description of the spatial relationship between the islands and tectonic faults in “Physical geography” subsection is long-winded and difficult to understand. Perhaps someone who possesses artistic skill could copy the map from this image: http://www.scielo.mec.pt/img/revistas/rgci/v14n2/14n2a11f2.jpg . It would make things much easier to understand. 46.242.13.150 (talk) 08:24, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Flemish Independence

This may be OR, but I note that the Flemish islanders viewpoint of Felipe II is indistinguishable from that of the Flemish and Netherlands. Where his father the Holy Roman Emperor identified as Flemish, Felipe saw himself as Spanish and despised the Flemish - to the extent that both the Flamenco gypsy dance and Flamingo bird are attributed to them, the Flamingo in particular referring to gorgeously dressed dullards spending their lives up to their knees in water. The result was the near-genocidal tyranny of the Duke of Alba in the Low Countries leading to the rebellion of the Dutch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.213.9.109 (talk) 02:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

How is the distance from Newfoundland to the Azores 2980km?

Using google maps, we can clearly see the closest point between Newfoundland, Canada and the Azores is from Cape Race Lighthouse-Renews-Cappahayden to the northwesternmost point in Corvo Island, that distance is about 1,926 km (1,197 mi), not anywere close to 2,980 km (1,850 mi). Remember Newfoundland is way more east than it seems and it's actually the closest point to Africa in North America, after Greenland of course. I just don't know why someone would revert my edit and justify it as being seemingly more accurate. Average Portuguese Joe (talk) 13:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Average Portuguese Joe – thanks for this, and sorry for the slow reply. I think it depends how we are measuring it. Your one is the distance you would cover in travelling from the most extreme bit of NL to the very nearest bit of the Azores, like, by rowing boat say. I think that the one that I reverted you to – and I did look at it on Google Earth too, it wasn't just random! – is what you would cover if you travelled by (commercial) air from one to the other or, perhaps slightly less specifically, if you took some kind of average distance between centres of population or of even the area. So I don't think my reversion – to something which some previous editor, not I, thought correct – is wildly unreasonable, just a different perspective. Now, however, that you have explained your view I must say that I can see that as well and I really don't know what is a general rule around here ... I can see both as being possible. As I have no strong feelings, and a total of 0 other people (counted by any method) have weighed in on it, why don't you change it as you wish? I am trying to get my head round whether an explanatory note is or would be needed for either version but perhaps it just isn't? Anyway, no dog in any fight, and happy to see you edit it as pleases you. Cheers DBaK (talk) 22:17, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
So in fact the editor who changed it to 2500 was ... drumroll ... ME, about a year ago! Talk about circularity and lame logic! The ES from that edit says I was undoing someone else's bad edit. This was true as they had screwed up the conversion template, BUT instead of going back to the previous value – also a rowing-boat-type distance – I somehow introduced 2500 km as the distance. Apparently. I mean, G_d knows how: I obviously thought I was just reverting! Too late at night? Hallucinating unicorns?? Who knows. But thanks Average Portuguese Joe and I am very sorry to have wasted your time with my madness. Cheers DBaK (talk) 22:33, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
@DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered: Hey, no problem! I was just wondering how you got those values from, now I know. I saw this as a simple geographical distance from the closest points but there are in fact other ways to see this, like the one you mentioned. Thank you for your response. Average Portuguese Joe (talk) 23:25, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
Average Portuguese Joe – thanks!! DBaK (talk) 00:18, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

large Iron Age earthen structures inland from Punto da Malmorendo, Sao Pedro

These islands were almost certainly settled well before the Portuguese got there. Careful examination of satellite imagery shows multiple ancient stone enclosures, harbours and possible buildings. Just inland from Ponta do Malmorendo, for example, on the island of Sao Pedro, are at least 12 large circular earthworks of a similar kind to Iron Age land dyke-works in Europe. There are in addition several large enclosures in square shape in the same area. The circular dykes are laid out in a. distinctive pattern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:351F:6000:C88:60C6:9725:D72D (talk) 08:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Interesting, sources please? Thanks. Doug Weller talk 12:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
they have been known for 5000 years; they were referred to by the ancients (eg Plato) as 'the happy isles'. They conform to the ancient descriptions, including where they are and the time taken to sail there, and the fact that the two main islands are long and thin with a thin channel between them. They also have what is found in several places in the mediterranean area: railway-like channels in the rocks. These were for wooden cradles with sled-like tracks. These cradles are slid into the sea; the ship is then manoeuvred onto them; they are then drawn onto the land for safety during winter storms - the process being reversed on Spring. wet clay is the lubricant. stowing the ship on land also prevents burning otr taking of the ships by enemies.

https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/31142713/SOMA_2012-_APIA_article_web.pdf?1366287038=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DNew_unknown_Archaeological_Data_in_Azore.pdf&Expires=1608650034&Signature=ZfhNicIDtkZg3AlAPBiZU~Q72YWNAhcjJUrE1Bwg4A2c2nk0jEsZm2bADdc3Aky5srbfd2UnC3VlY3r~FxG5iWALaVs8CkamjNJPgh2J2lFt9zWGLMu-64Nkubom398kIO7-gDSA7~0cQVdROg0CbKjr1acNNQrYSzg9CuToKHLvd2aJHUNfxnJR5CPT8Y10mjzgdkc2cCsqcVmYy~L4MbV1ZfDhGrdJFiJSmHjD38yplwp~eZnA58I2krj-CrCx9azx59OMhlLI1Ok0LTIDiK1QTkoCQi21~Fn2KQI46WDT8bQPArAit9YbnxkdWEUz3GIlJSK1Htn1yxtKxgzOgQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA

https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/31142704/SOMA_2011_-_APIA_article_web.pdf?1366286862=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DPhoenicians_in_Azores_Portugal_myth_or_r.pdf&Expires=1608650350&Signature=LD3jzTqrSDhooVNjQmuHFBkE0xhXXVz8oqVRMdQWgR4nIEscwlexaRfupIxF8yVMMencPmtivoSGGck2iSQ~bHcgbyCymj9gTieosRVkYGyQ3quTCDUOp0PkHU9vMylcCcFJM3KaTiRnl81Rro4LuanU6K4zvoUd563mWlTtsTcYAPd2pILlZdDtouW7GzCFJjbuPj8UeyFwYvGvm1dtkCQ6doNHbXlboXiqiGI9Mgp6FGyDKS993ZIeJQmVIEVg5LlY3wFqqBUICHv9QUPEsHpwQDqMWRkS1wG4uHezMGbxE3ZVXXvYb~fz9d79ZKPfNO3WDwOsrtLtjSL42SoEHA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA

That part of the text should be rewritten. There is no way these are natural structures. They may or may not have been there before the portuguese arrival, but natural, they are not. Ribeiro may well be right. This feels like Clovis first all over again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.220.42.222 (talk) 14:27, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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