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I've removed 'racist' and 'insulting' from this section. The former because it isn't racist for a black person to be offensive about Swedes (some of whom are black) or to use terms like "white asses", and these are the terms reported in the cited source. The latter because it's a subjective judgement: It's perfectly possible that some Irish people found the comments funny or ironic of performative or whatnot. Emmentalist (talk) 08:20, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've also edited out 'racist' in respect of reports of a black woman using the n-word.Emmentalist (talk) 08:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Finally, I've taken out trivia and trivial references. 'Controversies' sections in articles are often the weakest part, where editors have, albiet in good faith, sometimes put in negative stuff which should either be integrated elsewhere in the article or is too trivial or subjective to be in it at all: This was the case here, in my opinion.
A final point, I imagine editors might want to put in references to a recent incident in Australia. I'd urge them not to for the moment. The trend here, expressed in much of the style of the article, in respect of incidents involving the subject alleging racism, tends towards scepticism. There is good evidence to suggest that she was in fact racially abused in Australia (I am not including re: WP No original research) and it is highly likely, it seems to me, that she is a frequent victim of racism in other places. This shouldn't be treated superciliously or superficially here. For now, since we don't know enough, it's best left out for the moment. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 12:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Huh?!
I mean, really!?!
Info about her stating that she has a dungeon for practising witchcraft and about her digging up and boiling her dead cat… is there anything more notable, outside of committing murder?
But it’s described as "trivial"?
That description is breathtaking, *stunningly misleading*.
This info has been in the article since June 2021, which is 18 months ago. As such, agreement to do so must be reached on here before it is deleted again. But I simply cannot imagine that anyone else could possibly describe this material as trivial. Unless you happen to dig up and cook your dead cat every day, in between some routine witchery. Which hopefully isn’t the case. Boscaswelltalk 04:20, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Haha! Not every day, no. But this story certainly has plenty of dead cat bounce! Thanks for this, @Boscaswell, it provided a cheery start to my day. My thinking is that the subject of the article is a highly successful black woman artist: The milieu in which she lives and works is quite a complex one characterised by racism, sexism and quite likely violence at the margins. Her story is really quite extraordinary; she is an extraordinary person. Success in rap and hip hop often involves a complex relationship with stark and harsh social realities faced mainly by black people. It's not uncommon to see black artists struggling with the need to stay in the public eye in the way performers need to while at the same time staying true to some other sense of who they are beneath it all. Ye might be another example? The dead cat story is trivial, in my opinion. It seems to be either a desperate call for help or a desperate bit of daft PR. Either way, since it's one of many recent 'schlocks' involving this artist, it shouldn't be taken too seriously. Wikipedia articles shouldn't shouldn't be a list of daft PR stunts. We should take racism seriously, though. Accusations of black people being racist towards white people are, on the whole, poorly thought through. Moreover, it seems highly plausible that some white people in Banks' audiences have indeed been racist. As I say, 'controversies' sections add little to an article - they often seem designed to enable editors to get something off their chest (albeit even such editors do mainly edit in good faith of course). In the case of this article, in my opinion, the controversies section unintentionally amplifies borderline borderline racist tabloid attitudes and conveys the impression that Wikipedia does not take racism very seriously. This impression starts with a quote from a publication called 'Complex' and get worse from there.
Would you agree to taking out descriptions of Banks as racist and generally softening the tone of the section? All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 09:02, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Emmentalist happy to bring smiles to editor's faces! 😊 I don’t have a firm opinion either way about use of the word "racist", but I do have a very strong one about the two pieces of info I wrote about. Who has ever heard of anyone digging up and boiling the body of their dead cat? It’s so out there that it has to stay in. Further, I can’t see it being a publicity stunt, as it brought her disfavour. Likewise the declaration "guess what! I have a dungeon and I practise witchcraft!" (not her precise words, obviously) Again, it’s bizarre and therefore highly notable and should definitely stay in. Lastly…she has the money now to go and live in any "milieu", so I don’t go along with making excuses for any of her unpleasant behaviour. It’s all down to her, really. But like you suggest as a reason for the cat cooking, her frequent unpleasant outbursts, now they could well be calculated to provide the kind of publicity she seeks and, speaking from music business experience, her manager will I’m sure be giving her advice about them…but they keep on coming. All the best. Boscaswelltalk 09:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Emmentalist, I'll repeat some of what I said in the earlier discussion above. This is a chart-topping, award-winning, world-touring singer who has publicly made racist comments about certain ethnic groups, and has had to be removed from international flights for rowing with crew and passengers. You may think this is "trivial" and "not racist", but Wikipedia isn't based on editors' own opinions, it's based on what reliable sources say. Mainstream news outlets saw these incidents as noteworthy enough to report, so they're noteworthy enough to be given a brief mention on Wikipedia. If sources call her comments racist then we must report what they say. We would do the same if the comments were made by a white artist. It's not for us to decide if these were "PR stunts". The controversies section is only a small part of the article and has been stable for a long time, even tho' the article notes she often gets more attention for her controversies than her music. – Asarrlaí(talk) 09:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Boscaswell and @Asarlaí. I'm just going to have to yield on the dead-cat-digging-up-but-probably-not-cooking shenanigans. And unless anyone else comes in on this discussion, I'll just leave it at your revert in its entirety. I don't agree about repeating mainstream news reports uncritically, though. That really isn't the Wikipedia default. Newsrooms are dominated by white people looking to get a daft story out of a black artist doing something angry; there's really no attempt to unpick the racism at all. That means the racist take ends up here at Wikipedia. As for money; I don't think she's especially rich, actually. In any case, black artists find it extraordinarily difficult to stay clear of the more challenging aspects of the cultures which have helped raise them up. White artists really don't. Finally, it's nonsense, imho, to equate a black person saying something rude about white people with pervasive white racism towards black people. Black and indigenous people suffer in ways Irish, Aussies, Asians and all the rest (as generic groups, for what they're worth, which is not always much) don't. Emmentalist (talk) 13:09, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Making comments about specific ethnic groups is not racist, it’s xenophobic by definition. Racism is based on race, which swedish and irish are not, they are both of the white race. No matter your opinion on the matter, using the word racist is incorrect by definition. I have changed it to xenophobia for accuracy. Despressso (talk) 05:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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THE HOTTEST DOLL ON EARTH AND THE MOST FAMOUST SUPER VILLAIN Thehottestdoll (talk) 14:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Rehsarb (talk) 17:43, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 11:16, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the 