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Welcome[edit]

This article was created to address a topic I was looking for on Wikipedia and did not find. Considering that I haven't done a lot on Wikipedia and would like to change that, I gladly welcome constructive and civil feedback to help improve this article and my future assistance on this site. BAKURA (talk) 18:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is the source for the map?[edit]

What do the colours mean and where does the map even come from? I'm not aware of any official treaty that unites all of those countries. If it is an "unofficial" grouping, who made it? Where was this reported? Esn (talk) 18:33, 28 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Impartially[edit]

this article seems to not a Impartially article the picture

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Flickr_-_The_Israel_Project_-_Hezbollah%2C_Iran%27s_Front_Line.jpg

which made by the israel project that is in Jerusalem and Washington, DC

Are you people serious?[edit]

"Axis"? Wow. Talk about propaganda. And of course there is a crazy political cartoon demonizing the topic of the article in it as well. Sheer propaganda, clearly FSA wrote this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.45.52.222 (talk) 04:12, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Axis is term used by themselfs.

Axis of Resistance is a badass name Hibsiwakawam (talk) 23:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Infograph[edit]

The infograph used in the article is against WP:LABEL, where the users are advised to avoid using "terror" (or its derivatives), "unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution." There's no inline citation provided for the term used! --Mhhossein talk 20:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, the claim needs to have an in line citation. Saff V. (talk) 07:29, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, seems to be a blatant violation of WP:LABEL. Much of the material in the infographic doesn't appear in the article itself either. Grngu (talk) 13:16, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Infograph is informative and attributed. You have a lot of sources at the bottom of the image, including Al Jazeera, New York Times and others.--יניב הורון (talk) 00:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. And it would be DUE to include the response of the target of this Axis of Terror[1][2][3] - including stating this alternative name in the lede. Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization by multiple governments.Icewhiz (talk) 06:45, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There should be INLINE citations, an important point you are missing. --Mhhossein talk 16:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Axis of Terror[edit]

I checked the three sources ([4], [5] and [6]) and in all of them the term is used by Israeli officials and it's certainly not an "alternative name" used by reliable independent sources for the subject. Although, there's a separate page for Axis of evil. On the other hand, there are sources showing that the alliance is know as the "Axis of Resistance":

  • "...what is known as the “axis of resistance,” a power bloc that includes Iran, Iraq, Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas in Palestine."Foreign Affairs.
  • "The term resistance axis (jabhat al-muqawama) designates the alliance among the Islamic Republic of Iran, Syria and the strongest Arab non-state actors, the Lebanese Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas." Middle East Policy Council
  • "The world has long been hearing about the so-called “Axis of Resistance”, made up of..." Middle East Monitor
  • "Syria’s support for Iran has enhanced Tehran’s regional influence...and helped to consolidate an “axis of resistance” that ..." United States Institute of Peace.

While searching for "Axis of Terror" brings up almost no sensible result. --Mhhossein talk 18:59, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:ONUS, "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." So, please avoid further reverts unless there's a consensus that the term is a widely used alternative name for the subject. --Mhhossein talk 19:07, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As we aren't dealing with a formal alliance - but rather an informal alliance (whose members seem to change) - we are mainly seeing sources aligned with Iran using one term, and those that are not using another. At times, the Iranian term is used in scare quotes in other sources - indicating that this is not quite an accepted term by neutral sources.Icewhiz (talk) 07:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, using quotations does not mean the term is not neutral or otherwise. At the moment, this the term used by the sources and axis of terror is not an alternative. --Mhhossein talk 11:13, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree, "Axis of Terror" is not a widely used alternative name and should not be in bold. Also, Mhhossein's version is not accurate since it is attributing the term to "all Israeli officials" and there aren't reliable sources for this. In addition, It's original research and There need to be RS to make this generalization. I say 3 officials doesn't mean "all officials"."By its detractors" is Original Research, too, for the same reason. Saff V. (talk) 11:49, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article was edited based on above discussion. Saff V. (talk) 12:28, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the edit, it's better now. I was searching for more details and saw that some reliable sources use "refer" for describing the term. For example the Reuters say "The “axis of resistance” refers to Shia...". --Mhhossein talk 12:58, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Reuters is using scare quotes - "axis of resistance" - and feels the need to explain a previous quote from Syrian TV. If the main sources using "axis of resistance" without quotes are Iranian aligned - we have a name problem. It might be best to redirect this page to Foreign relations of Iran.Icewhiz (talk) 13:18, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that this may be a WP:DICTDEF/WP:NOT fail. There was some initial use of this slogan as a counter to Axis of evil with a different set of countries, and then some subsequent use of this in relation to the Syrian civil war that is mainly Iranian (and not other sources).Icewhiz (talk) 13:23, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, the subject is notable enough and can stand alone on the basis of the numerous reliable sources deeply covering it and one may even find studies regarding it. As for the name, we need to adhere to the reliable sources and see how it's used. Furthermore, you can see some reliable non-Iranian sources using the term without quotations; See [7], [8], [9], [10] and etc. --Mhhossein talk 19:04, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Axis of resistance vs. ISIL; Not about ISIL[edit]

The chapter about the "Axis of resistance vs. ISIL" says nothing about the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. In fact it makes no mention of the terrorist organization whatsoever. It's just about US support for the (former) Iraqi government. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 14:22, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Misspelling[edit]

This article has a misspelling. Although the article title is "Axis of Resistance", the infobox has "Resistence", with an 'e' instead of an 'a'. Can someone with appropriate permission fix this? Thanks. Jkgree (talk) 23:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I have changed it SharabSalam (talk) 00:57, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced additions[edit]

@RainbowSilver2ndBackup: sorry for pinging you but what you have added to the article recently is not sourced for example, China is part of axis of resistance? Also Russia? Could you bring sources that says that. I feel you are confusing this subject with another subject. thanks--SharabSalam (talk) 14:23, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 May 2020[edit]

147.161.14.143 (talk) 09:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article "The Axis of Resistance: Time to Put Up or Shut Up" is no longer in the reported location. Its new location is this: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150128-the-axis-of-resistance-time-to-put-up-or-shut-up/ Please update.

 Done Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 May 2020[edit]

The link to Matthew Levitt's article about Hizbullah also doesn't work. This is the new address: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/hezbollah-pulled-between-resistance-to-israel-and-defense-of-syria Please correct the link. 147.161.14.143 (talk) 09:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 10:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

edit request pics[edit]

Leadership background – Baratiiman (talk) 12:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Baratiiman:  done, and thank you very much! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 01:20, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 February 2021[edit]

Balgard429 (talk) 13:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

hi. i wanted to edit the picture of hassan nasrallah because of the removal of the houthi's pic. I would be most grateful if you could give me permission for edit. thanks in advance.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Short description?[edit]

Before I add a controversial short description, should this article's short description be "Alliance of West Asian countries"? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 09:23, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What about the wording in the lede "Political and strategic alliance between Iran, Syria and Hezbollah"? BobFromBrockley (talk) 09:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 July 2022[edit]

Changing the Islamic Emirate to the Taliban as Afghanistan being the country they control already has that name. Johnnyboi123459 (talk) 09:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is this sufficient? Johnnyboi123459 (talk) 09:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Taliban is not part of this Axis of Resistance[edit]

The Taliban have been criticised by most Iranian leaders (except one advisor) including Ahmadinejad (who is ideologically perhaps closest to them) and Esmail Ghaani; is not recognised by Iran; Tehran has a street named Panjshir Street in honour of the Afghani resistance; no official sources name it as part of the Axis of Resistance (and those that do refer to that single advisor). There have been instances of politicians referring to China and Russia as part of the 'Axis of Resistance' but it doesn't make it true.Angele201002 (talk) 20:47, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest changing the name of the alliance officially to the jerusalem axis / Quds Axis. Today on the quds day every single leader of each group mentioned the name being quds axis. And it can be certainly changed to an OFFICIAL military alliance. There has been operations by this alliance done in the past weeks rocket attacks against istael working as one alliance. 85.76.10.68 (talk) 17:36, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Russia[edit]

Russia is an ally of Hezbollah and Syria. 2A02:3030:806:B016:1:0:205:B924 (talk) 01:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Who claimed Putin or Jinping to be a part of the Axis?[edit]

I feel as though it is inappropriate to put Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping as the leaders of the Axis without any sources. Even if it is supposedly claimed by the Axis which is also left without naming an individual party or body. The Axis of Resistance is not an official military alliance so who speaks for the Axis officially? Again, this is not sourced so we have no idea.

I also think it would be appropriate to put Hassan Nasrallah, the Secretary-General of Hezbollah, as one of the leaders instead since he's actually referenced this resistance in plenty of his speeches and is one of the greatest promoters, as Hezbollah provided the Syrian Arab Army the most ground forces throughout the Syrian civil war. I also believe Abdul-Malik al-Houthi should put on the list as the spiritual leader of the Houthis (also known as Ansar Allah).

It would be appropriate to keep Russia and China as allies of the Axis but not members of the Axis themselves.

I also believe the Iraqi militia Ashab al-Kahf (militant group) should be added within the Iraqi groups since it is not formally a part of the Popular Mobilisation Units.

If I could be granted editing permissions, I would gladly make sure to implement all of these changes. Thank you :) RamHez (talk) 17:49, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@RamHez Thank you for your insight. I'm wondering if the analysis on the Wiki page is too focused on state and larger militant organizations. Is there missing context concerning what is happening at the street level, among the people? Is it accurate to focus on who (largely far from the bloodletting) claims or is claimed to be leading this, without any discussion of who might be active at the civil level? 137.186.18.128 (talk) 12:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ideology section[edit]

Why does it list it as right-wing? It is a big tent group comprised of various ideologies, such as Sunni Islamism (Hamas), Khomeinism, Ba’athism (which is a leftist ideology) and many Palestinian leftist groups. Syria’s government claims to be left wing and groups like PFLP are left wing or even far-left. NaniEmperor (talk) 02:55, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This really exists?[edit]

Or it is more a name that is occasionally used to designate some groups and states, in a non-systematically way? MiguelMadeira (talk) 16:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Taliban to the infobox under Afghanistan[edit]

Both Iranian leaders and major political analysts have placed the Taliban in the Axis of Resistance camp. If Hamas counts despite it's very loose involvement, the Taliban should count too. AmericanBaath (talk) 00:00, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 October 2023[edit]

Indent the Wagner group under Russia, because let's face it, Wagner group is a proxy for the Russian Federation. Lostafacte (talk) 23:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done: I've removed Wagner from the infobox altogether as it's unsourced. Agree that if restored it probably belongs with Russia. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:46, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2023[edit]

Hey, I would like to add that some of the members list such as Pakistan or Afghanistan are definitely not part of this Axis group. You listed Azerbijan while Azerbijan is an enemy of Iran and ally of Israel. Armenia is ally of Iran and enemy of Israel.

Pakistan is also an opponent of this alliance. Afghanistan (Taliban) is not official member, but only claimed by Iran. Taliban has never commented on this group. Cosmickadet (talk) 21:00, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 00:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 October 2023[edit]

Next to "Opponents" in the sidebar, it says "State ppponents." This should be changed to fix the typo.

Change "State ppponents" to "State opponents" Bamiel1 (talk) 21:39, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 23:47, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 November 2023[edit]

Can somebody remove all of the state allies (and BRICS) except for Afghanistan, Algeria, and Venezuela, as well as state enemies? they all seem to fall under WP:SYNTH and WP:OR Joaquinazo (talk) 14:00, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: why just those? Please start a discussion about it so that the inclusion criteria could be defined. The rest will follow. M.Bitton (talk) 22:21, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign relations of China[edit]

The article has a number of China-related categories but it doesn't discuss the Axis' relationship to China at all. Special:Contributions/TheSands-12 05:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSands-12 (talk • contribs) [reply]

non-state allies[edit]

Should Al-Aqsa Martyrs be the only non state ally from Palestine? Or are a lot missing? Irtapil (talk) 13:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move groups from infobox to section[edit]

Would it be worth moving the groups from the infobox to a table in the main text? Currently it looks cluttered and unhelpful. Could also be used to provide further information e.g. years active and country. ArcMachaon (talk) 19:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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