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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was copied or moved into Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 with this edit on 16:09, 15 April 2014. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

This article was nominated for deletion on 15 April 2014 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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--Lightbreather (talk) 23:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion[edit]

This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because... it has relevant page history. Another article Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was created using this article as a basis - but with a broader scope. Also, the article has been listed at the regular AfD page. --Lightbreather (talk) 01:10, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was not created from this page. It was RENAMED from this page, with content almost ENTIRELY written by Lightbreather. She disagrees with the rename, and rather than proceeding with dispute resolution including an RFC SHE SUGGESTED, she has chosen to fork her own article back to this name, with THE SAME CONTENT (minus a few bits) Gaijin42 (talk) 01:31, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously we have a difference of opinion about the particulars of this dispute. I've already written plenty about this here, on the AfD page, on the Speedy AfD page, and on the talk page of the newly created "Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting" article. I don't know what else you want from me. I'm trying to move along, and I'll reply as necessary if/when something comes up that doesn't require me to keep making the same responses to the same 2 or 3 people. Lightbreather (talk) 01:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose speedy delete This should be merged and redirected to Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. See AfD discussion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:47, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE Lightbreather basically wrote both articles. This version is not properly named...and is a content fork, and is basically WP:GAMEing the system --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 20:49, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article name[edit]

As part of the AFD on this, the issue was raised that the article is misnamed, because it implies that there was an actual ban, when there was not.

That was also my initial take, and I assumed that the actual name of this bill would be something like "The Assault Weapons Ban Act of 2013", which would be a more appropriate name. However, it turns out that that is not the case. The actual name of the bill is, indeed, "The Assault Weapons Ban of 2013" as you can see on THOMAS ([1]) and on GovTrack ([2]). So perhaps the bill is badly named, but the article, using the actual name of the bill, is not. TJRC (talk) 19:42, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the confirmation. Lightbreather (talk) 02:26, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fully agree with this and pointed it out in the AfD; is there any naming convention for failed laws? Mrfrobinson (talk) 20:52, 23 March 2014 (UTC) 13:39, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism section[edit]

I removed section that read as follows:

"Other criticism could include the fact that the second ammendment literally says "shall not be infringed" so a bill that has the porpouse of having the right to bear arms not be absolute is like saying a bill that has the porpouse of nullifying and ignoring the constitution. Criminals by definition do not follow the law and this would add laws to be broken. Making normal people with "hight capacity mags",standar ar 15 mags,criminals. Despite all arguments to either side of the issue. Obama era dnc studys have shown 500 thousand to 2 million lives are saved by guns per year, even ignoring that of the 36 thousand people death with gun use involvement 2/3 are suicides and of that 12 thousand including gang violence(criminals don't follow the law),justifiable homicide(proper police shooting and self defense). Guns still save more lifes than their kill. And this in in a country with many rural areas where police cannot always get there in time and where there are more than 300 million people. The last assault weapons ban was proven not to work. There is no real evidence any laws will change the contantly decreasing since 1990's homicide rate."

this section was poorly written and not sourced at all. And in my humble opinion nearly unintelligible.

ComradeScientist (talk) 03:35, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]