Talk:Alicja Iwańska

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Polish resistance member Alicja Iwańska became an academic and compared political, religious, and racial persecution in Europe to U.S. segregation restrictions?
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thank you tweet Victuallers (talk) 16:18, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

C/e done[edit]

I finished my c/e. One tidbit - I think in her first husband bio I noted she never accepted the official version of her death and argued for the more conspiracy theory-like scenario in her book. This probably should be mentioned here too? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:39, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus Thank you, you know the nouns always cause me problems ;). It was a difficult writing job, as her career was more compartmentalized than most. Finding reviews on her books given the time frame was pretty difficult, but I'll see what I can find. The book in question is Niezdemobilizowani right? SusunW (talk) 13:45, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I think I've addressed that. SusunW (talk) 14:37, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs) 09:22, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]


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  • Born into the landed gentry, -where?
I didn't say she was born in Poland because I said her family were part of the Polish intelligentsia, which seemed redundant. I have flipped it around.  Done SusunW (talk) 18:00, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Involved in the Warsaw Uprisingb- when?  Done SusunW (talk) 18:00, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Who is Sol Tax?  Done SusunW (talk) 18:00, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having never felt at ease in the United States, Iwańska immediately moved to London, - immediately??
She took early retirement so she could leave the US, so yes, immediately. I changed it to say "that year", if that is better?  Done SusunW (talk) 18:00, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Early
  • Who is Julian Tuwim?  Done SusunW (talk) 18:09, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tadeusz Kotarbiński -ditto  Done SusunW (talk) 18:09, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • After beginning her high school education at the Gimnazjum Generałowej Zamoyskiej (General Zamoyski Gymnasium) in Poznań, - when?
No idea, none of the sources give dates for her educational achievements until after she arrived in the US. SusunW (talk) 18:09, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Career
  • "Aware that war was coming, Iwańska went to visit her family and construct a cache for necessities that might be needed during the conflict. She then returned to Warsaw" -dates?
No idea, sources simply say before the war officially began. SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "code name "Pankrac"" -code named?  Done SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Her hearings, during the era of McCarthyism, dragged on for years before asylum was finally granted. -when?
No idea, sources don't say. Obviously she got it before 1957 because that was one of the reasons she married and became a US citizen. SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Some of her most important work was written during this period.[1] She began collaborating with Sol Tax, studied the Mazahua people,[11] and was one of the first to publish details of the civic-religious system of duties employed to maintain order in their society.[12][13] Works like The Mexican Indian: Image and Identity and The Truths of Others: An Essay on Nativistic Intellectuals in Mexico questioned the duality of indigenous people's treatment" -Some of her most important work was written during this period.- this would be best before mentioning them rather than going back to Sol and returning, flows better that way
Okay, shifted the text.  Done SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "officially "glorified" " - what does that mean?
Public rhetoric in Mexico then and now is built upon a mestizo identity for all Mexicans, celebrating the mixing of European and indigenous ideas which are foundational to the culture. The government actually implemented an ideology to promote the idea of racial harmony/homogenization. So the official line is being indigenous adds to our uniqueness as a culture and is positive, but the reality is that indigenous people still experienced the same types of discrimination as they did/do elsewhere. Unsure how Mestizos in Mexico could be linked. I'll think on it, but will be glad of any suggestions on how to clarify the concept. SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, the source used glorified, which to me, knowing the background was clear, but I see that to someone unfamiliar, it might not explain the odd curiosity. I've given a go at rewording it, "noting that while the government ideology officially celebrated their culture and artworks as part of the unique Mexican identity, they experienced racism from the public". Does that work? Is there a better/clearer way to convey the idea? SusunW (talk) 15:25, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • she was sent to train in Chile and Paris,- add France, was it in Santiago, Chile?
No idea, source just says "She was sent for training to Paris and later to Chile". SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Her reputation earned her an assistant professorship at the State University of New York at Albany in 1965, where her work over the next two decades focused mostly on immigrants and emigrants in American history. -add comma after decades
If I do that it separates the subject work from the verb focused. Instead I offset ",over the next two decades,"  Done SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 1968, Iwańska published Świat przetłumaczony (The Translated World), a fictitious account which focused on her work in Mexico. -repitition of the word focused, reword?
Changed to "was based".  Done SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • " It was taken in oral fashion from the villagers themselves, written down and then read to the community for editing" -maybe reword to "Iwańska interviewed the villagers, wrote down their accounts, then read them back to the community for verification"  Done SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Did she not do anything in the late 70s? That 70s-80s paragraph could do with beefing up if possible
The problem is that much of the period has not yet been digitized and her academic career in the US was ignored?/unknown? in Poland, where she was mostly remembered as a literary figure. Newspapers were the only source I could find for much of her activity in that period. I actually looked for reviews of her work, but found very little on-line. Only within the last 5 years has her career trajectory been examined as a whole, so of course it is possible that new sources clarifying some of the missing details will be emerging. SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "literary output in this period" -during?  Done SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "a biting commentary" -"a polemic"?  Done SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • " Experiencing health problems, Iwańska was diagnosed with lung cancer, the same disease which had afflicted her mother." -smoking?
Nope. Per the sources "It surprised her, she never smoked", it was a hereditary type. I added "genetic" before disease to clarify. SusunW (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SusunW: @Ipigott:

Thanks for your patience.Ping me once you've finished. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:08, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Dr. Blofeld thanks for the review. I've answered most of them, but for some there just aren't answers. The one still on the table that may be a "big deal" is the one about Mexican identity. I'm just not sure how to seamlessly link to it. SusunW (talk) 19:09, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]


GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
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  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
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    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
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  4. Is it neutral?
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  5. Is it stable?
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  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
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  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail: Looks in great shape, happy to pass this.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:55, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for the review. Lovely to be working with you again and so glad you are back! SusunW (talk) 19:43, 8 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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