Talk:Aircraft shootdown

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Is "shootdown" a proper word?Royalcourtier (talk) 04:06, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Better question, how is a deliberate act a class of accident?--Khajidha (talk) 17:30, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

This page should be deleted since there's no such word in the English language - Oxford gave a 404 page not found error. It is valid to talking about shooting something down, or using past tense that an aircraft\satellite was shot down but not to say there was a shootdown. Nor is air-to-air combat an accident so the article is not only using a nonsensical word, it's giving incorrect information. 118.208.4.157 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:21, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Recommended for Deletion

I've recommended this page for deletion. If anyone wants to agree\disagree feel free to discuss here: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 人族 (talk • contribs) 03:22, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Agree on the basis of the stub being no more than a dictionary definition without much promise for expansion. However, strongly disagree that it constitutes a "slang term"; it is quite well-standardized and found in numerous official (typically US) sources going back decades (e.g. Briefing on the F-16 shootdown in Bosnia and current operations). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qzd (talk • contribs) 22:33, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Template:Wikidata redirect

@Steel1943: You removed Template:Wikidata redirect and explained that "this rcat template is for cross-project redirects". Sorry that I am not clear about it. Does "cross-project redirect" mean that the Wikidata item that the redirect page is in must have at least another Wikimedia project link? --Neo-Jay (talk) 03:12, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• Hey Neo-Jay, I understand how this can be a bit confusing, which is why I performed my undo twice so I had an attempt at a clearer edit summary. Anyways, what you think it means (per what you just said) is not what that means: When it says "cross-project" redirect, it means that the redirect here (on the English Wikipedia) should be targeting a page on another Wikipedia or Wikimedia project (such as the Spanish Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Commons). So, with that wording, I would expect the page on the English Wikipedia to be targeting another Wikimedia project. In addition, I would expect a template called "Template:Wikidata redirect to be used on a soft cross-project redirect to a page on Wikidata (such as redirecting Something on the English Wikipedia as a soft redirect to a page on Wikidata like D:Q626755).

However, I just started looking at the category Category:Wikidata redirects, the category which {{Wikidata redirect}} populates, and I think the rcat templates being used erroneously on many pages. Take the first page of that category for example, or even more specifically, 361267 ʻIʻiwi. It seems that the scope of this rcat may be unclear and/or misguided, and I'm not even sure its true purpose. In fact, I'm reviewing Template:Wiktionary redirect/doc as well, and I still cannot make heads or tails of this template's scope. The way I'm reading it right now, it's saying that any redirects that are in Category:Redirects connected to a Wikidata item should be tagged with this template. But, then if that is the case, then that means that {{Wikidata redirect}} and Category:Wikidata redirects are both redundant and unnecessary.

Due to the unclear scope of this template and its category, I'm half tempted to nominate them for deletion. However, if the intent of the template and category is what I just said I suspect it is, then an argument I have heard used previously on Wikipedia may be brought up that I am quite familiar with: Wikipedia doesn't dictate how Wikidata runs, and Wikidata doesn't dictate how Wikipedia runs ... an argument which would essentially validate the existence of the template and category, no matter how redundant (and, in my opinion, unnecessary) they are.

But therein lies a hypocrisy: The template and category are directly reliant on Wikidata. In fact, seems that Category:Wikidata redirects was created a couple years before Category:Redirects connected to a Wikidata item, meaning that the former category may now be obsolete and superseded by the latter ... Yeah, I'm tempted to nominate Template:Wikidata redirect for deletion now as obsolete along with its respective category. Steel1943 (talk) 03:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• @Steel1943: Thanks for your explanation. --Neo-Jay (talk) 05:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)