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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Oppose article title is already clear. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - per WP:DEATHS murder is a criminal charge that is applied after a trial. There has been no arrest much less a conviction here. Shocking development that the AFD argument that this is a news event that will not have sustained coverage has proven itself true, just absolutely shocking. nableezy - 22:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The family and individuals names are far more recognizable than some obscure junction name. The terrorists responsible were killed in an armed raid incidentally last week. Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) (talk) 17:43, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: article title is clear and precise, proposed title is more obscure. No objection to creating a redirect if there is a consensus for one. // Timothy :: talk 19:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:DEATHS, and we dont ascribe blame for criminal acts to people without a criminal conviction. This is, as the AFD was, a blatant example of editors ignoring our policies and guidelines with nakedly emotional and partisan reasons. nableezy - 19:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Mass shootings are typically referred to by the year/date and location of the incident, rather than by the names of the individual casualties, unless those casualties are notable figures. Additionally, and as noted above, murder is a criminal charge that is applied after a trial per WP:DEATHS. Mooonswimmer 23:40, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support The current title is not clear because the named persons are not notable. It is not usual to name articles as it is presently, the earlier draft proposed by another editor was titled as proposed and in the customary way. In addition, "murder" is a presumption that cannot be made.Selfstudier (talk) 16:28, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisters comment: This discussion could benefit from more participation.>>> Extorc.talk 10:05, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per IIO. The article title is clear and describes exactly what it is about, better than using a vague title saying where it happened. — Amakuru (talk) 15:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Who exactly has even been charged with murder here? nableezy - 15:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
By the guidelines it either needs a neutral WP:NCE title or, per WP:DEATHS, it could be "Killing of", but the current title is untenable by any of the naming convention guidelines. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support We tend to avoid using the term "murder" without a criminal conviction. PatGallacher (talk) 12:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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