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March 24

March 24, 2010 (2010-03-24) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for March 24

March 23

March 23, 2010 (2010-03-23) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for March 23

Heinrich Boere

The Times - "Time has finally run out for Heinrich Boere, the former SS killer who has for over six decades used every possible legal avenue to dodge conviction for the wartime murder of three Dutch civilians".

Might this help to solve the problem? Very interesting especially after six decades. He even joked to reporters about how he did it... --candle•wicke 21:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Common murders are not more notable just beacuse they were committed during World War II – quite the opposite, I'd say. Physchim62 (talk) 23:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This fellow isn't notable for what he did; but for the length of time it took him to face justice. I'm not comfortable with putting up a BLP in these circumstances. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Non-notable war criminal. Unfortunately, there are 1000s of these around the world, a handful in most countries trying to stall extradition etc YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 04:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UK expels Israeli diplomat over forged passports

BBC. I think we've reported something related to this story before, but this is a pretty significant development.--Johnsemlak (talk) 16:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support I will admit that I haven't followed this story much, but this seems like a pretty big development, especially considering the UK is an important Israeli ally. --PlasmaTwa2 19:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support The new travel advice issued by the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office is quite unprecedented: "We recommend that you only hand your passport over to third parties including Israeli officials when absolutely necessary." To my mind, the official travel advice – which can be paraphrased as 'don't trust the Israelis' – is far more significant than the expulsion of the diplomat. Physchim62 (talk) 19:57, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is interesting but what about the other several recent disputes between nations, the most recent even involving Israel and nominated just yesterday? There were objections raised when each of these were nominated. This being an ally is also questionable considering the United States hasn't been very pleased with Israel either. --candle•wicke 20:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For me, it's the travel advice that makes the difference: "Don't trust the Israeli government with your British passport unless you really have to" (paraphrased) is an unusual comment to say the least, far more unusual than the run-of-the-mill stuff of recalling ambassadors etc. Physchim62 (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)co[reply]
The UK government bent over backwards to apologise to the foreign minister for the arrest warrant that was made by the courts. That they've made such an about turn is significant. So Support. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is the fourth or fifth diplomatic incident like this in the last month, so these kinds of things aren't uncommon. The ongoing story is interesting, but I don't think this is a big enough development to warrant posting it again. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The big story was the assassination itself, not some minor diplomatic expulsion. And this is coming from a Brit. Modest Genius talk 22:15, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per HJMitchell Wikireader41 (talk) 02:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Irish reshuffle

Cabinet reshuffle in Ireland. Medium size. Many new departments created. [1] How about? —  Cargoking  talk  17:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. there was one in France today as well. I would say no to any cabinet changes which don't result in a complete change of government: in other words, we look for changes of Prime Minister in parliamentary systems. Physchim62 (talk) 20:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reuters seems pleased that the finance minister retains his position. BBC and eTaiwan News are other examples of international coverage. --candle•wicke 20:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Just because it's reported by news networks in other countries doesn't mean it's sufficiently notable to be posted. If we posted every cabinet reshuffle (even just the 'major' ones) we'd be buried under a deluge of them. Modest Genius talk 22:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In many countries there would be one each year YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 04:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose No head of state or government change makes that a widely-reported story that's actually not that big of a deal outside of the Emerald Isle. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 04:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UK Space Agency

New space agency in the UK, starting from 1 April. It's not often that a new space agency is launched, particularly in English-language countries. Mike Peel (talk) 21:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! Definite support. Not an every day event by any stretch of the imagination and the article seems in good shape. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:57, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Budget of £230m, comparable with the education budget in my home county; a re-allocation of resources and responsibilities for the modest efforts of UK in this sphere (or beyond this spheroid, if you prefer); not in top 10 BBC stories: not even top BBC science/nature story today. Kevin McE (talk) 22:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Umm... did you look at the BBC science & environment page? It does seem to be somewhat of a deep squid of an organization, tbh, but still ... space agency! Mike Peel (talk) 22:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Top billed, but not top viewed in this category. Kevin McE (talk) 22:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Support on 1st April. It's fundamentally interesting, but it's also pretty small fry, and merely consolidates existing activities. (Remember the relative rankings of stories on the BBC website change depending on the location of the reader, so results may differ). Edit: it actually starts work on 1st April, where it would be excellent. Modest Genius talk 22:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Has there been any announcment on whether or not the UK will attempt spaceflight, or is this just a space agency similar to Japan or Canada's, as in it is for research and sattelites only? --PlasmaTwa2 22:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure about posting now but this may be a great candidate for April 1 since then's when they start. --Tone 22:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If we decide to go with a April Fools joke, I hope someone finds a way to make fun of Moonraker. --PlasmaTwa2 22:27, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh, good idea. Modest Genius talk 22:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Royal Air Force were also formed on April 1. Talking about flying... --Tone 22:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is great and big news for everyone interested in man's exploration of space. Definitely ITN-worthy. __meco (talk) 09:17, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support because if the logo appears on the front page it will highlight the problem of wikipedia using altered images where the colour white has been replaced with a transparency. See Talk:UK Space Agency 81.156.235.144 (talk) 10:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nanping City Experimental Elementary School massacre

At an elementary school in Fujian, China, a man stabbed eight students to death. Source: The Times Grundle2600 (talk) 00:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also on BBC News. Is eight deaths enough for a school stabbing? It's horrible to put it that way, but would we run this story if the event had happened in Poland or Canada? I think we would, so support. Physchim62 (talk) 00:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when expanded. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support with an expansion of the article. Incidents such as this aren't common in elementary schools. ~AH1(TCU) 01:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've done what I can, but this one is quite difficult. All the available sources I can find... it's as if they were all written off one "on the ground" report; the same few details, a couple obvious copying errors here and there, and rehashing previous knife attacks in the PRC. I think a Chinese speaker might be needed to finish this one. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 07:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support An elementary school stabbing with a fairly high death toll? How common is that? Not very. And in China. Article is in shape for ITN, so I think this is an appropriate item. __meco (talk) 09:47, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SpaceShipTwo is shown on its maiden flight

We discussed featuring this in December when the spacecraft was unveiled. Then several editors wanted to wait until its first test flight. Now we have it, and we should post this story. Also, if we decide to post the UK Space Agency announcement, it would be neat with two spaceflight-related items back-to-back on ITN. __meco (talk) 09:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 22

March 22, 2010 (2010-03-22) (Monday)

ITN candidates for March 22

Google withdraws from China

Google has effectively withdrawn its China search engine following a row over hacking and censorship. —  Cargoking  talk  20:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Very evidently important, and in the world's largest internet market. Colipon+(Talk) 20:35, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Type in google.cn and you end up going to Hong Kong. —  Cargoking  talk  20:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. Google is a major and popular search engine in China. ~AH1(TCU) 22:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
btw article is Google_China. this should go up now. we've delayed it twice to wait for the moment google officially does something. i dont think we need to wait anymore for someone to sign they have pulled out. this action is more than enough. strong support.
Support. We have indeed delayed this twice and now it's actually happened, I think it's time it went up. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support this time it has actually happened. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Something like: 'Google stops censoring search results for internet users in China, in a row over censorship and hacking' Modest Genius talk 23:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On second thoughts, those last two generic links could be piped to the more specific Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China and Operation Aurora. Modest Genius talk 23:21, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support, came here to suggest it. Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 23:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Google China needs an update first - Dumelow (talk) 00:01, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note that Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China is a blocked article in Mainland China. Also, the lede of the Google China article has a one-sentence update but references could be added to include this further down in the article. ~AH1(TCU) 00:24, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are you suggesting we self-censor by not including that article?!? I'm not sure if that's hilarious or horrifying. Modest Genius talk 01:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
i dont think we need to worry about what is blocked in china as they block most major websites. i doubt chinese viewers can see the main page either (i thought entire wikipedia was blocked...) -- Ashish-g55 00:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Better blurb would be, "Google redirects its China operations to Hong Kong". Google has not actually ceased its operations in China, and maintains all of its Beijing staff. It's just that the Chinese users are now redirected to the Hong Kong server, which has the exact same user interface as the previous Google China. Colipon+(Talk) 00:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but I think it's a tricky blurb. I agree with Colipon that what has happened is a simple redirect to different servers in another jurisdiction (as Wikipedia has done in the past). There's also the PRC/ROC problem, for which we always get polite requests for correction (at the very least). The best blurb I can think of at the moment is "Google announces that its services in the .cn domain will now be redirected to Hong Kong to avoid censorship." Physchim62 (talk) 00:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good blurb; just to add onto that, how is "Google redirects its .cn domain to Hong Kong servers to avoid censorship from the Chinese government." Colipon+(Talk) 01:05, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
One last tweak:
However, the update on the bolded article doesn't even meet my (relatively low) standards at present. There's plenty of material out there, but I have to go to bed soon (happens to the best of us). I would like proper inline refs for the update, several sources (because there are sevceral sources out there for this story) and a small amount of discussion (a couple of sentences will do for me, a posting admin might wish for a few more). Physchim62 (talk) 01:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly accurate. Google's license of Google.cn requires them to self censor. The Chinese government was not filtering the results. Google had to guess what should be censored. With the greatest accuracy:
Maybe this is very picky. Jehochman Talk 02:04, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support In the long term this will be one of this year's top stories. Wrotesolid (talk) 01:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. SpencerT♦Nominate! 02:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support per above.Wikireader41 (talk) 02:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support when expanded with more citations. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:19, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I had nominated this earlier but today it has been confirmed too. I have done small expansion of the article. --GPPande 10:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
SUpport.--Johnsemlak (talk) 11:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
is there no admin around? does this need something else to go up (or perhaps more support ;) ... )? -- Ashish-g55 13:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Notice The current section is a simple copyright violation of this website. We need something original. -- tariqabjotu 14:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well than can someone update. Be bold and change it. I would but I'm busy. —  Cargoking  talk  21:58, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've reworded that one paragraph and wikified it. Is is sufficient to be posted now? ~AH1(TCU) 01:47, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to see more and better sources, personally. There's not likely to be a shortage of them. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:02, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
i dont get why we are waiting for more sources. i see official google blog as one of the sources. doesnt get more credible than that. its already been waiting for 2+ days now. more sources doesnt make it better if they all somehow source the original source (the google blog). -- Ashish-g55 13:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Censorship section along with Operation Aurora and Aftermath is quite big. We need to post this soon. --GPPande 14:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --Smashvilletalk 14:47, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign relations of Mauritania (or Israel)

Oppose: Once again a diplomatic dispute between two countries thrice in period of less than one month. See below the previous two nominations,
Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/March_2010#ITN_candidates_for_March_19 Nigeria-Libya ambassador recall.
Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/March_2010#ITN_candidates_for_March_11 Turkey-Sweden relations break down.
These type of news are very common and I would continue to oppose them. ITN would be flooded with foreign relation articles of various countries based on their random actions. We should stop promoting these types of news on ITN. --GPPande 09:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unfortunately, it's not all that uncommon, and that one side in Israel and another is a Muslim nation makes it even less surprising. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is only a formal severing of ties, and we mentioned this before on ITN when the actual action occurred. SpencerT♦Nominate! 02:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

US healthcare bill

This is discussed in great detail under yesterday's date. --candle•wicke 05:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops. Duly noted. Weatherguy1033 (talk) 05:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This simply isn't internationally relevant. Other countries have major domestic issues too. 78.146.140.195 (talk) 19:37, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and we report those issues as well. --TorsodogTalk 21:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 21

March 21, 2010 (2010-03-21) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for March 21

Sven Kramer becomes first person to win the World Allround Speed Skating Chamionship 4 times in a row

I'm not an expert on speed skating but the achievement is prominent. There are quite some countries where the sport is popular. However, winning 4 times in a row sounds sport statistics to me and I am not a fan of those on ITN. Neutral for now. --Tone 22:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Speed skating is a relatively small sport outside a few countries. This is only one of several yearly World Speed Skating Championships and held shortly after the more prominent 2010 Winter Olympics. World Allround Speed Skating Championships#Amount of World Allround Speed Skating Championships per person shows two others have 4 in total and two have 5. 4 consecutive does not sound that remarkable in the general world of sports. Strong oppose as long as 2010 World Allround Speed Skating Championships#Men championships is just a placeholder as currently. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Out of the various championships, allround is definitely the most important. All except one of the other people who gained at least 4 titles did so before World War II, under incomparable circumstances. Furthermore, Kramer also won the last 4 European All-round championships, another record, which makes his achievement truly unparalleled.sephia karta | dimmi 11:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral on importance: this does seem to be the biggest event in (long-track) speed skating outside the olympics, so an argument could well be made. More people are interested in speed skating than, for example, hurling. However, the article itself is nothing but a results table, of which half the results are missing, Strong oppose unless and until it's brought up to scratch. Modest Genius talk 22:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Speed skating is, in my opinion, one of those sports where even the World Championships pale in comparison to the Olympic Games, so I just can't get behind this as really being news in light of PrimeHunter's points. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, and furthermore a large difference is that there is no allround at the Olympics, whereas allround really is the one championship that selects the overall best skater.sephia karta | dimmi 11:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Interesting sport, "world championship", international coverage. CBC, USA Today, Radio Netherlands Worldwide. --candle•wicke 03:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support But as it is big in the Netherlands and Norway, It seems not that important in other countries unfortunatly --Black Orchid (talk) 10:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obama's healthcare

Just passed a minute ago I think. Link anyway [3]. —  Cargoking  talk  21:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If I remember, we've had a consensus to post this if the reform passes? It does not seem to have passed yet, according to the websites. --Tone 22:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support if this passes. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 22:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Appears the vote will be a decent bit later on tonight. Support, though, after the vote; this is going to be the story tomorrow either way. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:16, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - The voting process is currently 1/3 complete and should be finished within the next two to five hours. We should prepare in advance a headline for both possible outcomes, so that we can get it up on ITN as soon as it is official.   — C M B J   22:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
whats the hurry for posting it "as soon as its official"?. article update is also required before it goes up -- Ashish-g55 00:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
People will be looking for the article tonight.   — C M B J   00:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sample headline:
The 111th United States Congress votes 435-0 in favor of enacting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
The 111th United States Congress votes 0-435 against enacting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
  — C M B J   22:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, so far they seemed to have managed to agree on how they're going to debate and vote... CMBJ's suggestions need tweaking for accuracy:
The United States House of Representatives approves both the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010, the main health care reform measures.
The United States House of Representatives rejects the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act in a 435–0 vote.
Physchim62 (talk) 00:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It might be a good idea in the blurb to briefly mention something the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will do, although frankly I'm not quite sure what the Senate bill does and what the reconciliation bill does. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - I still don't really understand how this works I admit. It seems that the House is going to pass their version of the bill and the Senate still have to reconcile their version to the House bill but the President is going to sign it into law even though there isn't even a single/unified version yet (so I'm not really sure what he's signing into law) but anyway if he's signing it into law I guess that's significant. Nil Einne (talk) 02:32, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • According to this source, the bill just passed by the House contains "the bulk of reform". A second, smaller bill will be voted on in the Senate, & because it is a "reconciliation" the vote can not be filibustered. (Yes, this process is ugly & not even us Yanks completely understand what's happening.) -- llywrch (talk) 03:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Wait, so there are two? And this is the first and a second will be voted on later? I would oppose the posting of both on separate occasions unless there is good reason to do so. --candle•wicke 03:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The supplementary bill (HR4872) has just passed the House but will have to be revisited by the Senate later this week. This detail can always be added to the blurb after it is posted.   — C M B J   03:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The bill just passed 219-212.   — C M B J   02:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now we just wait two days (or maybe longer). --candle•wicke 03:00, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Have we settled on a blurb? If so, you could try posting at AN. It's a big story so you might be able to attract a passing admin. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Should that be done for this though? It might be unfair on any others who have to wait. I imagine they have more important things to be getting on with over there. Plus it's not an emergency. --candle•wicke 03:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) This is front-page news in the US, & will positively affect the lives of millions of people; I expected to see it mentioned in the Front Page box. So a quickly adding is justified. (I'd volunteer to do it with my k-rad kewl Admin powers, but I have to help get my daughter to bed.) -- llywrch (talk) 03:27, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying it shouldn't be there but it would be good if it could be done correctly and when it has been confirmed, etc. Disasters happen and people die but have to wait several hours to appear on ITN. The delay in those cases doesn't mean they are less significant and any delay in this case is just the same. --candle•wicke 03:35, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's a need to wait for Obama's signature to post the item. It's a foregone conclusion, just as soon as they can get fancy pens for the occasion. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 03:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But then it hasn't even been officially signed yet? Election results have to wait until they are certain so why not this too? And where is my previous comment? --candle•wicke 03:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Candlewick, it was lost apparently in an e/c. I restored it. -- llywrch (talk) 03:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: From an international point of view, I'd prefer to wait until the U.S. President actually signs the bill into official law. Getting it passed by the U.S. House of Representatives is only one part in a multi-step process. Not every country uses an American or Westminster system of government, and so the amount of significance would be foreign to those people. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:28, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
From what I understand, the House passed the Senate's version version, & Obama has pledged to sign it. (If he doesn't according to the Constitution it automatically becomes law in a matter of days.) This vote means, in few words, that 90% of the process is done; all that is left is the shouting. -- llywrch (talk) 03:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What "fixes"? --candle•wicke 03:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is the core piece of legislature which has been passed by both legislative bodies. The Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010 is a supplementary bill which has been passed by the House but not by the Senate.   — C M B J   03:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but per Zzyzx11, best to wait until it is signed. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:32, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused now. There doesn't appear to be any certainty that this has definitely happened or that it won't be blocked or undone or whatever applies. If he doesn't sign it it becomes law in "a matter of days"? So why not wait for these days to pass just to be certain? --candle•wicke 03:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The bill has successfully passed both the House and Senate, and President Obama is currently giving a speech in support of the result.   — C M B J   03:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment For clarification my point above about the President signing was solely related to if he was signing it, then there most be something to sign not suggesting we have to wait for him to sign. I don't personally know if we do have to wait, it's a basically a forgone conclusion in this case. As a counter example, I don't know if we usually wait for royal assent, although that's even more of a foregone conclusion. I still don't entirely understand the Senate thing, I read it only required a 51 vote majority a long time ago but it still seemed possible they'd ultimately never come to an agreement if they kept passing different versions but as I understand it now, they've mostly agreed what to pass and more importantly, the core part which is the same as the original Senate version is passed so worst case scenario, they have that which can't be taken back by either Congress individually (well they could both pass a bill to cancel the earlier bill I guess but that's different) and it's only awaiting the President's signature. The Senate could say screw you and refuse to pass the modifications in which case the House will be pissed I guess but they can't undo what they passed. Nil Einne (talk) 03:48, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Even if by some unforeseeable 1/1,000,000,000,000 chance Obama were to veto this bill, its passage alone would still be the most significant U.S. story since the 2008 election results.   — C M B J   04:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If an accurate blurb can be agreed upon and assuming the article has been updated, I'd support posting it now simply because it's news now. I'll admit to being totally baffled as to what's actually happened (or is going to happen?) but it is big news and people will be expecting to see it on ITN. It won;t be long before it's notable by its absence. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 04:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until bill is actually signed into law. Keep calm and carry on. Madcoverboy (talk) 05:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So it definitely hasn't been signed into law? --candle•wicke 05:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Correct—that is the only step which remains—but it could be later this week before it happens. Because Wikipedia is the first resource that many people turn to for details on important events, and based on the overwhelming precedent (57,766 new articles per hour, Presidential reaffirmation, climax of a years-long saga, etc) for ITN inclusion, it is my personal opinion that we should act now rather than later. Here is a list of major sources which currently list this bill on their front-page:
CNN: House passes health care reform, cheers as gavel comes down
ABC News: 'WHAT CHANGE LOOKS LIKE': Health Care Bill Passes
Fox News: CONGRESS PASSES HEALTH REFORM
Times Online: Barack Obama wins healthcare battle in tight vote
New York Times: House Approves Health Overhaul, Sending Landmark Bill to Obama
Los Angeles Times: Historic healthcare bill passes
BBC News: US House passes key health vote
News.com.au: Health vote delivers Obama dream
The Australian: Obama makes health reform 'history'
Sky News Obama's health care bill passed
Xinhua: U.S. House passes historic health insurance reform
NBC: HOUSE SENDS HEALTH CARE BILL TO OBAMA
China Central Television: Democrats secure votes for passage of health care bill
Reuters: House approves sweeping healthcare overhaul
CBS News: Health Care Bill Passes in House
Washington Post: House passes historic health-reform bill
Newsweek: The Guide to Obamacare's Effect on You
NPR: House Passes Historic Health Care Legislation
Voice of America: Health Care Reform Clears US Congress
PBS NewsHour: House Passes Historic Health Care Reform Legislation   — C M B J   06:16, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed to the other blurb, no need to put the numbers. --Tone 08:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget Aljazeera!: US passes landmark healthcare bill Therequiembellishere (talk) 10:30, 22 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Iceland volcano

Looks good, only needs some more prose. --Tone 14:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article Eyjafjallajökull is updated. Apparently, the eruption is not that big, but still has some impact. --Tone 19:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is Iceland: it would be rather more unusual if there wasn't a volcanic eruption going on. No major danger to people or property, not scientifically unusual, can't see any reason to post this. Modest Genius talk 20:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'm no volcanologist, but I'd say a volcano erupting for the first time in two centuries is pretty significant. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hardly, that happens all the time. There are so many dormant volcanoes that a substantial fraction of all eruptions are 'the first in centuries' from that volcano. Modest Genius talk 21:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Volcanoes erupt on Iceland all the time. This one caused a bit of a stir because the authorities closed the main road from east to west because the contingency measures are developed for a worst case scenario. This event is on the opposite end of the scale. Noone even noticed the eruption until people saw the smoke rising after perhaps several hours. This event does have potential to become big if the neigbouring volcano Hekla Katla blows, which is a possibility. Let's not post anything now. __meco (talk) 21:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. "This could trigger Katla, which is a vicious volcano that could cause both local and global damage," Pall Einarsson, from the University of Iceland, said.--The lorax (talk) 21:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

When it comes to ITN, 'could' is generally insufficient. Modest Genius talk 21:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, come to think of it, I agree with you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, let's wait. This looked a bigger thing in the morning... --Tone 22:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hossein Marashi

  • Former Iranian Vice-President Hossein Marashi was jailed on Wednesday, was revealed by a relative on Friday and is nominated here on Sunday. (BBC) (TIME). --candle•wicke 09:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The Islamic Republic has ten vice-presidents, and Marashi was a minor one, not First Vice President, and he's only in jail for a year. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 16:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. From my understanding of Iranian politics, that's not really an unusual event and this guy is not that important. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Linheraptor

Is it an important dinosaur? It was discovered by a British student and mentioned in a British newspaper. On the other hand " the first near complete skeleton of its kind to be found in the Gobi desert in China since 1972" sounds promising. --candle•wicke 10:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Interesting story, article is decent and, for a change, it's not bad news! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support it's interesting, and some good science stories on ITN are always good. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Among the science stories, the new dinosaur species have a major part. But why not, the article is in decent shape. Though we may want to make guidelines a bit stricter for dinosaurs... --Tone 21:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. Interesting, but we've had quite a few of these over the last year. Is this some kind of golden age for new dinosaur species, or are we just featuring something that's pretty common and only of interest because it's a dinosaur? PS. For reasons I can't put my finger on, it seems weird to class this as a 'science' story. Yes, palaeontology is a science, but it's not like we have a quota to fill with dinosaurs, particle accelerators, interplanetary probes and cloning. Modest Genius talk 22:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support. Although discoveries of genuses are more spetacular, dinosaur discoveries are fairly significant. However I support this only if we start posting more climate science and activism-related news stories dispite the probation in effect (for example the Mertz Glacier event that wasn't posted and the earlier International Day of Climate Action story that also wasn't posted). ~AH1(TCU) 22:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 20

March 20, 2010 (2010-03-20) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for March 20

2010 Six Nations Championship

Stade de France
Stade de France

France win the Grand Slam at the 2010 Six Nations Championship (Rugby Union). ITNR event - Dumelow (talk) 21:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Support. Major international rugby tournament (from my pathetic knowledge of the sport) and on ITNR. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:28, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:37, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support ITN/R event, about as big as it gets in rugby. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, though it should be better phrased to make it clear that France have won the championship (for those who don't know what a grand slam is). Something like:
"In rugby union, France win the 2010 Six Nations Championship with a Grand Slam" Modest Genius talk 00:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: How about "In rugby union, France achieve the Grand Slam to win the 2010 Six Nations Championship (Stade de France pictured)" or is that correct terminology? --candle•wicke 04:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added a picture of the Stade de France where I believe the final game took place. --candle•wicke 04:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've expanded it in the same way as 2009, it is cited, I don't know what else to do? France win their first Six Nations Grand Slam in rugby union since 2004 (Stade de France pictured). --candle•wicke 09:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Posted, although I must say it was tough for me to put that wording up. It just sounds so wrong, but I knew one of you would be unhappy if I switched it to American English. -- tariqabjotu 18:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

After 7 years, Perelman awarded the $1 million for Poincare conjecture

Support this seems to be pretty interesting. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 09:07, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's a bit old but the prize was actually awarded now and this in one of the rare occasions that we can feature a maths topic. The updates to the articles are there. --Tone 09:18, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posted - Dumelow (talk) 11:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. Is it worth adding the Millennium Prizes to ITNR? A proof of any of the remaining 6 problems would be massive news in mathematics. Modest Genius talk 15:26, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support that- the six left are so major, putting them up should be a foregone conclusion. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 15:34, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I added them to ITNR. Modest Genius talk 15:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can I suggest that Perelman's article be the one bolded, as it is the one with the largest update. Currently, the bolded article now wouldn't meet minimum standards (or if so, barely). I will make the change, but if someone feels differntly, please revert. SpencerT♦Nominate! 03:15, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pope to Publish pastoral letter on child abuse

After months of waiting, today the Pope will issue a pastoral letter on child abuse in Ireland. It is written to the Irish Roman Catholic Church, but it is believed that it will gather the attention of other countries affected by abuse. Coverage from Ireland, Aljazeera, UK, Australia, USA, Canada and others. —  Cargoking  talk  08:28, 20 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Nearly 2000 Google News results [4]. —  Cargoking  talk  13:40, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This had 7,000 results a week after the event and even that didn't get in. –Howard the Duck 13:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an article anywhere? Modest Genius talk 15:32, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Ireland is the relevant article but needs updating. —  Cargoking  talk  15:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support for reasons other than Google. The release of this letter has been anticipated for some time and its official signing was covered by the international media yesterday, i.e. (The Irish Times) (CBC) (Deutsche Welle) (Christian Science Monitor) (CNN). It has now been released and is continuing to receive international attention. It will be read in public tomorrow and will get more attention. It is the first ever response from the Pope to this issue which has been gaining more and more international attention, i.e. around Europe this year and in Brazil and Chile just recently. --candle•wicke 20:05, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support not common for pope to comment on child abuse by catholic priests.Wikireader41 (talk) 21:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is an important story. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 23:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(←) Updated. How about:

Posted -- tariqabjotu 17:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Oh boy, like if we need anymore evidence of wikipedia's anti-catholic bias. Something that has barely gotten media attention goes up simply to disparage the pope. 63.215.29.202 (talk) 04:32, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it got little coverage in Chicago (where your IP is from) but it has been big news here in the UK and I can only imagine that it got massive coverage in Ireland. No one is trying to disparage the Pope, we simply feature Wikipedia articles relevant to current events Like it or not, this is a current event of interest to many people - Dumelow (talk) 09:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Girija Prasad Koirala

Death of the man who was the first directly elected prime minister, who served four times in that role in addition to acting president when the king was suspended. Brokered the end of the Nepalese Civil War and the transition into a full multi-party elected democratic republic after 240 years of monarchial rule. Washington Post, BBC News, NPR Therequiembellishere (talk) 15:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Seems a very significant person and article is in a decent shape. It'll need a little work though, especially some more information on his death. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the article with more information about his death and reaction. I believe it's now sufficient in terms of quality to go up, though I'll keep working on it. Any support? Any?? He was obviously a major figure in (very recent) Nepali and Southern Asian politics. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support; important figure in the fall of the Nepalese Monarchy, former head of government and head of state. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 03:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious support. He was "worried about the country in the last days of his life and tried work out an agreement between the political parties" and (Xinhua) "while he was admitted to hospital, Koirala expressed his last wished of concluding ongoing peace process in Nepal" so sounds like he was still active. His body was presented for public viewing in Kathmandu and his death "marks the end of an era in not only Nepali but also sub-continental politics". Press TV calls him "the elder statesman of South Asia". India mourns. I bet he was Prime Minister/Head of State of Nepal longer than the average President of the United States or, maybe for a better comparison, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. --candle•wicke 04:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Girija Prasad Koirala
Girija Prasad Koirala
  • Posted I'll sort out the picture in a second. -- tariqabjotu 17:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 19

March 19, 2010 (2010-03-19) (Friday)

ITN candidates for March 19

Death of Nigerian at Zürich Airport

Any support for an update here? Switzerland has halted all deportations and repatriation flights (which must affect possibly any country) and Nigeria has condemned the events. An investigation has been launched which must affect all who use this airport. He died on the airport tarmac which might be unusual enough as well? 13 witnesses allege "inhumane treatment" - "They dealt with us like animals. The shackled our feet, knees, hands, hips arms and torso and made us wear a helmet like those worn by boxers. It was simply impossible to move". --candle•wicke 02:40, 20 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Oppose: The Swiss were trying to enforce their law, somebody resisted (natural enough considering he was a convicted criminal), went on a hunger strike and died. The Nigerian condemnation is something they did because they have to, not because they were concerned for a man who was afraid of returning to them. The shackling part seems to be greatly exaggerated; somehow I find it very hard to believe that a man's "feet, knees, hands, hips, arms and torso" were all shackled, unless Switzerland has gone back to the medieval ages. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 03:03, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; and I can't really add anything but endorse Chamal N's commentary. A drug-dealer on a hunger strike isn't likely to be in great health. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 18:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Jackson

"The biggest recording deal in history". (BBC) (Sky News) (The Guardian) (The Times) --candle•wicke 00:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

support finally a worthy ITN item ;-) Wikireader41 (talk) 00:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The largest record deal in history must be ITN-worthy, especially in a week as slow as this. Is there an update? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
the lead of Michael Jackson has been updated. Wikireader41 (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Big news. Pyrrhus16 17:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There's one sentence update in the lead. It's not much, is there another article we could use (list of records or similar)? In any case, could you suggest a good blurb? --Tone 17:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is this, which I have updated and which is an FL. I would also suggest going with this more recent photo, instead of the old 1984 one. Pyrrhus16 18:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How about:

no

"The estate of Michael Jackson (pictured) and Sony Music sign the biggest recording deal in history, which includes future album deals of his unreleased material." Pyrrhus16 18:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Sounds good and having a FL on ITN is a nice thing as well. I'd like to see some more support for the blurb and then I'm ready to post. --Tone 18:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support as above. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tone (talk • contribs) 18:45, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sierra Leone disaster hoax

Here is something which definitely doesn't happen every day. "The whole country is awash with grief for something that is not true at all". It was "picked up by international media. At one point, the French Foreign Ministry issued a statement in Paris offering its condolences to the mine accident victims". "This is wicked propaganda by people who don't like to see good news coming out of Sierra Leone". --candle•wicke 21:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Where would you put an update? I don't think an article about this hoax would survive the inevitable AfD, but where else could it fit? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deutsche Börse Photography Prize

(BBC) French photographer Sophie Ristelhueber wins the Deutsche Börse Photography Prize. Should this be included in ITNR? There are no photography awards and this one seems international enough if it could be expanded. --candle•wicke 21:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Oppose. I might consider it but both articles are simply far too short for ITN. Besides, the prize only covers Europe. --Tone 21:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A photography category would be nice, but is this really the biggest prize? It's only open to Europeans for a start (though the Pulitzers are only open to those in the US, so that's not a complete impediment). Modest Genius talk 17:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The World Press Photo of the Year seems to make sense. It is hosted by the Dutch foundation World Press Photo and is part of the "largest and most prestigious annual press photography contest" (according to Wikipedia). "After the contest, the prizewinning photographs are assembled into a traveling exhibition that is visited by over a million people in 40 countries. A yearbook presenting all prizewinning entries is published annually in six languages". This seems to suggest international significance. If the winner could be updated every year would this be a good addition to ITNR for photography? --candle•wicke 20:12, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but that's press photography, which is a small subset of all photography. Maybe no suitable award exists? I doubt it's a good idea to have separate postings for press, landscape, portrait, wildlife etc etc etc Modest Genius talk 00:22, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Google China

Economic Times Google has finally come up with a date to end its China operations. --GPPande 13:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

I'd rather wait until they actually leave - there's plenty of time for them to change their minds yet. Also the article doesn't sound too certain on the matter: "the information has not been confirmed by Google at present" and "the report did not specify whether Google would close all or part of its operations in the country" - Dumelow (talk) 13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nigeria recalls ambassador to Libya

(BBC). I have updated the article accordingly. The Nigerian ambassador has been withdrawn due to Colonel Gaddaffi urging Nigeria to split into two states (one Christian, one Muslim) in response to the recent violence. The Nigerian parliament has voted to ask the UN to stop Gaddaffi from requesting this and to ask the African Union to investigate if Libya is supplying "infiltrators" to destabilise Nigeria. Not a terribly exciting event but I am aware that we haven't had an update for a long time - Dumelow (talk) 11:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Oppose: I had previously mentioned that ITN should not post ambassador recall news as they are too common. See Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/March_2010#ITN_candidates_for_March_11 for Sweden-Turkey relation nomination. I had mentioned that Every month one or the other country does so in the world. but looks like we have 2 such news this month itself. Lets not clutter ITN with one more "typical news" category. --GPPande 11:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support of the I'd much rather post this than Sahil Saeed, and it's been two days since the last update variety. (Not a slight on anyone- this has been an incredibly slow news week.) Not thrilled with it, but we need something; the template is stagnating. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 11:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning towards support. This can be combined with dissolution of the cabinet of Nigeria two days ago. --Tone 11:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: A national leader makes a serious comment against another nation's sovereignty, and they sever diplomatic ties. Only to be expected of course, but it is an internationally important event nevertheless, and this is about as close to hostile as you can get with another country without actually putting your military on stand-by. The views I expressed on the Sweden-Turkey incident stand here as well, despite the coincidence of two such events happening within a short period. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 12:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Supportthis is unusual and does not happen everyday.Wikireader41 (talk) 16:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. What is the difference between this and Sweden–Turkey relations? Which part of this one is unusual? I disagree with the argument that this is a slow news week. At least 200 people are dead in Sierra Leone. --candle•wicke 21:10, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Or not... but this might still be worth nominating. --candle•wicke 21:39, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
well gadaffi suggested that Nigeria split into 2 countries on religious lines. cant remember last time one head of state called for the breakup of another country in such fashion. Wikireader41 (talk) 23:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But is that really very unusual for a man who has tried to start a war with Switzerland? --candle•wicke 00:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Gaddafi is unusual. –Howard the Duck 01:06, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March 18

March 18, 2010 (2010-03-18) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for March 18

Sahil Saeed

  • The Times The 5 year old boy kidnapped in Pakistan has returned home. In itself, I don't think this is worthy of ITN and it was, rightly imho, rejected when it was previously nominated. However, I think the back story of the major operation conducted by law enforcement agencies and militaries in four different countries (Pakistan, France, Spain and the UK) to arrest his captors is more significant in the long run. Apologies for the tl;dr! Any support? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We need an update, it's been 35 hours. I've looked at several papers, and the only stories I care for are this or two awarded George Cross. On a busier news day, I wouldn't be favourably disposed towards either, but it's been a slow week and we need something. Bangkok is becoming news, but I'm not sure what to make of it yet. So... weak support in the absence of anything more compelling, I guess. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC) Oppose; I see something I'd rather run now, so going my first instinct of opposition to this candidate.[reply]
Oppose on the same grounds as last time. One child was kidnapped in Pakistan, a ransom was paid, and he was recovered safely. Sadly, this is not an unusual event. Modest Genius talk 23:35, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree with you, but I'm nominating the law enforcement operation which spanned 2 continents rather than the kidnapping itself, which I believe I may have opposed last time myself. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
weak support in the absence of anything better Wikireader41 (talk) 01:55, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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