:::I have reached out and asked for cooperation from other page contributors on their user talk. [[Special:Diff/1116405200]], [[Special:Diff/1116103537/1116405678]], [[Special:Diff/1116201605/1116405546]]. Yes, I understand I am not special. I am seeing [[WP:CRP]] for the first time. I have read [[WP:CONSENSUS]] and similar pages. I had always assumed that consensus is needed to make controversial edits. After reading this page CRP I think this is very much needed on this page, after what has transpired in last 4-5 days. Please help me understand, How to get this restriction on that page? Would you be willing to put this restriction? or should I start a talk page thread to get support for this CRP. [[User:Venkat TL|Venkat TL]] ([[User talk:Venkat TL|talk]]) 11:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
:::I have reached out and asked for cooperation from other page contributors on their user talk. [[Special:Diff/1116405200]], [[Special:Diff/1116103537/1116405678]], [[Special:Diff/1116201605/1116405546]]. Yes, I understand I am not special. I am seeing [[WP:CRP]] for the first time. I have read [[WP:CONSENSUS]] and similar pages. I had always assumed that consensus is needed to make controversial edits. After reading this page CRP I think this is very much needed on this page, after what has transpired in last 4-5 days. Please help me understand, How to get this restriction on that page? Would you be willing to put this restriction? or should I start a talk page thread to get support for this CRP. [[User:Venkat TL|Venkat TL]] ([[User talk:Venkat TL|talk]]) 11:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
::::I mean, you can propose it, I suppose, and if there's overwhelming consensus for it, you could present that to a noticeboard. But, no, I'm not willing to do so for these page/s. Disputes would have to be not simply severe, but ''extreme'' for that to happen. Generally, it isn't really imposed that much anymore as it has proven too challenging to enforce. I don't think I've imposed one myself in 2022 and I don't know anyone else who has. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 12:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
::::I mean, you can propose it, I suppose, and if there's overwhelming consensus for it, you could present that to a noticeboard. But, no, I'm not willing to do so for these page/s. Disputes would have to be not simply severe, but ''extreme'' for that to happen. Generally, it isn't really imposed that much anymore as it has proven too challenging to enforce. I don't think I've imposed one myself in 2022 and I don't know anyone else who has. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 12:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
:::::Hello, I have [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Increase&diff=prev&oldid=1116215101 requested] to increase the protection level based on the disruptive editing including Venkat TL. Venkat TL has restored his preferred version since you decreased the protection as you can see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_Himachal_Pradesh_Legislative_Assembly_election&diff=1116392179&oldid=1116360179 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_Gujarat_Legislative_Assembly_election&diff=1116391357&oldid=1116386021 here]. Do you think this is something that can be allowed in the middle of an ongoing discussion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2022_Himachal_Pradesh_Legislative_Assembly_election#RfC_for_adding_party_switch_by_non_notable_politicians_into_the_Background_section 1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2022_Gujarat_Legislative_Assembly_election#Last_revert 2] that's also on two pages where Discretionary Sanction is effective? As there is [[WP:DEADLINE|no deadline]] to update an article I think the request of Venkat TL to reduce the protection level was only meant to restore his preferred version. [[User:TheWikiholic|TheWikiholic]] ([[User talk:TheWikiholic|talk]]) 18:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.
El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circularhere). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...
Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:
And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:
Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:
You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]
And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oooo. Purdy!
Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Book?
Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Romania
And all I got was this... Whoa!
I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nice. Thanks, Gerda! El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD.El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda's corner
Add some colour to the corner! El_C 08:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best!El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yay for Green Opa! This made my day!El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda*El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems. Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".
I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking.El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes*El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have just set up an alternative account, Narky Blert (alt), so that I can edit logged-in until I can regain access to my main account, Narky Blert. (Condensed story - I fell ill in early December, with the result that I was admitted to hospital having being found unconscious after three days. I was discharged after a week, and consider myself recovered. An annoying side-effect was that I broke my PC, and am having trouble in recovering my PWs (that should be possible, but I'm having to rely on third parties).)
{{User alternative account name|Narky Blert (alt)}}
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at the top, and
[[Category:Wikipedia alternative accounts]]
at the bottom. However, as a newly-registered user, I cannot. Could I ask you to do this for me?
As a token of good faith, I offer you "Bella ciao" - [3], which strikes me as right up your street. Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 15:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Holy shit! So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend. For sure, I'll get right on that. Wow, that's nuts. Thanks for the song. Glad to have you back, but take it easy, please! Jeez. El_C 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on... Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But you made it, that's the most important thing! I love you, bwo!El_C 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Prayer for Ukraine
I took a pic in 2009 that was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. - "Our" next psalm is Psalm 92, last week's, yesterday we had Psalm 91 but that - with the guardian angels is already covered, and I added compositions today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, did you take that picture with a Nokia flip phone or something? I can count the pixels! (No NoPixel jokes, please! But yes latest music.) BTW, are you at all familiar with the teachings of Rabbi Nachman? El_C 11:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Wikipedia. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
See Nachman_of_Breslov#Teachings. Last bulletpoint: He emphasized [the] importance of music for spiritual development and religious practice. His was probably the most philosophically sophisticated of the Hasidic Movement, now known as the Breslov (Hasidic group). Their Rosh Hashana kibbutz (annual pilgrimage to Uman, Ukraine) is a pretty big deal in both Israel and Ukraine. El_C 11:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I decorated my talk showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day! El_C 18:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I listened to the charity concert mentioned here (on radio, it was soon sold out), and created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Alto to follow today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics). Funk No. 1, for yesterday's exaltation (today). El_C 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
thank you ;) - back to Psalm 14, it looked done but looking closer, I don't get why Hebrew is shorter, and has a different beginning, and the explanation is that it's not the complete but some sort of difference. Can you check that please? - Prayer for Ukraine: I heard it as "encore" after a live opera performance from Staatsoper Hannover, sung and played with heart by the complete ensemble. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word. El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(unless you already do) please help watching the TFA Operation Mincemeat because the author is not active --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that. El_C 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see: File:77,777.jpeg (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason). El_C 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
now that's so funny: when I was about to pass 55.555 I decided that this was nonsense and began to reduce one by one, having reached 42k+ - this conductor leads an orchestra, but my grandfather was a train conductor --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please do me a favour regarding Psalm 14: do the Hebrew in the normal fashion. What's there is a subset, has no verse numbers, - tricky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Double cool! Also, I definitely agree with you: train, orchestra conductors — basically the same thing, interchangeable. El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What, never! El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
First psalm in April: Psalm 17, - please update when you can.
O dear, I never signed ... - (I asked one admin before (Graham87):) Could you please move Boris Lyatoshinsky to Borys Lyatoshynsky, as the article says, and I find in international concert announcements? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done and Done. I punctuate! El_C 15:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, not familiar. At least I don't think. Possibly I've sang it during my time in choir...? El_C 08:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
never mind - memories: two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! - no idea where the white line below the header comes from which is not there in preview --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Whenever you have time, Psalm 26 please. (I hate the blank line under the header ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have time (and time has me). El_C 11:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, 26→62? Exclaim thyself! El_C 09:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
coincidence. 26 was at our church, 62 in the Tenebrae readings for last Saturday, - not working today, still Easter, biking and opera, haven't seen pics yet, but it was just beautiful! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Happy Easter(n)! El_C 20:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Very cool. Definitely deserving of Iced Cream.El_C 13:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
another Ukraine day today: Maks Levin DYK, expanding Kyiv Symphony Orchestra (have tickets), and creating Anthony Robin Schneider, the bass who could be heard opening the singing in Beethoven's Ninth twice on 10 March 2022, live in Frankfurt, Germany, and recorded in Auckland, New Zealand, singing "Freiheit!" (freedom) instead of "Freude" (joy), in a tradition started after the Fall of the Wall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So many concerts! You're really making up for lost tyme. I hope all the members of the Kyiv Orchestra are alive and well. El_C 13:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
{{YouTube|I learn spamthing new!}} El_C 21:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
July AWOL
Sorry, everyone, I'll be unavailable for the next little while, but hope to be back by the end of the month at the latest. Much love! El_C 14:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Dear El_C, have a nice and well-deserved break! :) Cukrakalnis (talk) 14:41, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Vandalism
This person has been vandalised and duplication of page. Bonthefox3 (talk) 09:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
today: violin solo and you can listen - As for the Wisser birthday further up, I was invited (not the day but a friends' event) but couldn't go due to the COVID revovery. - When you have time: Psalm 40 please. Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no. Sorry to hear that, I hope you're doing okay. Best wishes for a speedy recovery. I've heard that already, it looks like (from the link being purple rather than blue), but I don't remember the context. I was gonna do 40 now, but it's long, so, soon'ish. El_C 14:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm feeling fine again, first day! - One of my recurring wishes: Peter Brooks finally appeared on the Main page, 4 (!) days after he died. I'd like credit - it was the hardest of the year, and begged there already, but ... - Two composers used Psalm 40 in their choral symphonies, I didn't know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Credit. Glad to hear you're feeling better! I sort of jinxed myself yesterday with that It's Tuesday! Let's make it a laid-back one. Good one, me. Not a moment of respite since. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And will be busy for the next little while. Der Mensch Tracht, Un Gott Lacht, you know it glows! El_C 18:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now I have the complete program and a review. The program was called Salmo! - sadly not in Wiesbaden, - perhaps they thought we'd not understand it means psalm! which means sing!. I had noticed that they sang Psalms 150, 100, 84 and 149 (+ another line from 150). The review image shows the conductor even happier, imagine. It's detailed and all praise but sadly not going beyond Mendelssohn, while we found the late works especially impressive, - listen to the 2009 Locus iste by (Welsh) Mealor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also: I have an article on WP:ITNN: Alfred Koerppen, died 5 July, no longer recent. Could you perhaps support as two others did? Or even think that's ready enough to post? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
today: birthday music for a friend, after hiking in the Swiss Alps and a funeral with flowers on a bench and a Rilke poem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm back! What did I miss? (Please say stuff.) El_C 14:52, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I met psalms, Psalm 107 next (too long?), and Psalm 40 still waiting I believe. - Lugnuts was banned - I didn't follow arbitration. - Martinevans is blocked for copyvio. - 2 giants missing. - See pics of highs and lows if you click on songs --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:26, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's terrible. Grimes2 (talk) 15:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Damn. Personally, I just want (to get?) high! Erm: aiming for end of the week for the psalms. El_C 18:41, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you want high, follow the link but don't look beyond 25 Jul. Thank you for psalms hope. - Copyvio happens so easily: I transferred a translation of text from source to the article, worked on it some in edit mode, but missed deleting the rest (at the end). What do you think: should the (4 more) versions that still have it get ref-del, to be "safe"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, any potential WP:COPYVIO should be WP:REVDEL'd (btw, it's revision not reference deletion). Feel free to link the diffs of the potential copyvios and I'll make em go (away). El_C 15:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pardon? I linked the diff, and said it's the four revisions (well, I said versions) following. I feel sorry for the person who tried to repair a sentence from the stuff that should never have been there. That edit made me aware. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, unexpectedly tied up with something. Hopefully, for not more than a few days. These psalms will be my 1st priority once I'm back, though. El_C 15:53, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. Psalm 106 with priority (over 40 and 107) because it will be mentioned in a DYK hook, but it's not yet approved so will take about a week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Recently started Malice by John Gwynne, neither of which have an article. Popped up as a suggested book on Audible, and it was over 20 hours long so I figured I'd give it a whirl. Pretty tropey so far, but I've read worse. Can you imagine, there's a young boy who excels at fighting who is more than he seems? And there are two gods, one good and one bad who are going to have a war? Extra points for the ol' fantasy standby of "inventing the shield wall." Also gotta do rabbits tomorrow, and do some repair and maintenance on their cages after I get all the babies taken care of. Unfortunately it's supposed to be around 97f tomorrow (that's 36 in eurotherms). No work is fun when it's that hot. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and my wife picked up The Quarry, so we'll probably be playing that this weekend. We were big fans of Until Dawn and the smaller games they've done have been ok, so I have high hopes for this one. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:22, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nice, but what about petting Kitty?John Gwynne (author) (red link atm, looks like both it and its draft were deleted on May 2021) sounds familiar, but I'm unable place him. Only 600 pages into The Eyes of God, with 200 remaining. Taking me such a long time to finish; just been too busy, but also, though it's good, it just isn't a page turner like The Jackal of Nar. I don't know if I'll keep going with that trilogy. Thinking of getting Tailchaser's Song, actually, because... BTW, DYK that Monarchies of God's Richard Hawkwood isn't the same person as The Wheel of Time's Artur Hawkwing? Yet they both end up discovering Ameriqua? You've heard it here fifth! Also, I praise you for providing AC to all the bunnies! El_C 14:37, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Finished up the first book in that series. It's firmly ok. Can you imagine though, tragedy struck and the boy who excelled at fighting's home was destroyed, and yes, he is more than he seems. In fact, totally unexpectedly, he's the CHOSEN ONE.
Things that bother me in fantasy novels:
Firing a bow. A bow is shot, or an arrow is loosed. The term firing didn't appear until firearms.
Chainmail. It's mail, even though our article has the wrong name, but points that out in the opening sentence.
Not hobbling your horses at night.
Also, although I do not provide air conditioning for the rabbits, they do get frozen water bottles to lay on when it's hot, so I am trying to keep them comfortable. Should finish up The Quarry this weekend. Pretty good so far, and Ted Raimi is a standout. Not sure if it's better than Until Dawn yet. We'll see how it sticks the landing. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, sorry, I missed your latest reply. In Hebrew "firing" (firearm, bow, etc.) comes from the root word of (first) rain (somehow), so no issues there! Finally (finally) finished Eyes of God and now reading Kristen Britain's Green Rider (she's the CHOSEN ONE?), which I am liking so far, though it's still early days. El_C 11:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Another silly fantasy book thing, people and animals fighting to they're all dead. Animals pretty much never fight to the death, and people generally break and flee with fairly small losses. They almost never continue fighting once they've realized victory is unlikely.
The Quarry didn't stick the landing. Ended up with two of the playable characters dead, one we didn't see die, so not sure how that happened, and one was a live or die decision we chose wrong. The epilogue was pretty lackluster and didn't give much closure. Still a decent game though, but not as good as Until Dawn. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:16, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Padlock Barnstar
The Padlock Barnstar
It's always felt like you're one of the most active admin at page protection and Xtools just confirmed it for me. Thank you for everything that you do. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks man, appreciate it. Almost at 10K protections! El_C 15:26, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey SFR, if I don't respond to something right away, try to ping me backward. It'll probably still not help, but whacky things might happen! El_C 15:49, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You've got mail!
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The argument against a republic: President Thatcher
The argument against a monarchy: Crown Prince Mark Thatcher
La nature n'a fait ni serviteur ni maître;
Je ne veux ni donner ni recevoir de lois.
Et ses mains ourdiraient les entrailles du prêtre,
Au défaut d'un cordon pour étrangler les rois.
Nature has made neither servant nor master;
I don't want to give or receive laws.
And its hands would weave the entrails of the priest,
For lack of a cord to strangle kings. (Diderot)
Thanks, brother! Much appreciate your kind words and eloquence, as always. El_C 15:41, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
RFPP reply
Thanks for providing semi-protection to List of Brahmins and List of Dalits. Since the threads on RFPP is archived I am responding your 2 replies[6][7] here.
This was my first request on RFPP so I was not aware of providing evidence for disruption to justify ECP. While the List of Brahmin article has attracted disruption from autoconfirmed users in recent months,[8][9] and so has List of Dalits,[10][11] it may not be as frequent as it would be needed for ECP.
Another reason why I asked for ECP was that I have been safeguarding these lists for some time now but I don't know how long that will last because last week I did a blunder over which I was reported to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement, for the first time. Overall, 4 admins commented. One had no comment on me, one admin said I should be at least warned, while the other two said I should be topic banned. Can you chime in there and review my case? I have provided assurances not to engage in any form of disruption again and how I will avoid the issues from reoccurring. I believe I should be given one last chance to prove I can edit without engaging in any disruption. Pranesh Ravikumar (talk) 12:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. Sorry, I don't think if I can spare the time to assist you further in this matter, I'm just too busy atm. Regards, El_C 15:45, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Elizabeth II
Given you protected the talk page, I might mention that it would be good to have the vote about what image to use on a different page dedicated for that discussion perhaps, given that it's attracted a lot of attention and is one major discussion, with myself and a few other IP editors previously weighing in. May be good making note of the talk page protection on that section in the talk page too? 90.198.253.144 (talk) 09:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, IP, I don't wanna do that. But if you want to make an edit request to the protected page, you may do so at WP:RFPP/E. Either way, the protection will expire in 3 days, though given the intensity of the disruption, that may not last long. Good luck! El_C 14:59, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Eyeroll
I certainly agree that we should make RfA great again. But the idea that it'll be the next person to RfA rather than say DanCherek with 281 supports and no opposes made me roll my eyes some. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:13, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was a joke! El_C 16:15, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. I took the phrasing as a clear attempt to be humorous (or at least amusing) but I thought the sentiment real. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:34, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The sentiment against admin deficit is real, but no, I don't think RfA was ever great (or gleat). El_C 16:37, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm aiming for a solid 60% and fail at cratchat, then I'll file a series of increasingly desperate lawsuits against the WMF saying that the election was rigged.[FBDB]ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:39, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Powerlifter Varun Pradip Dave
Inspite of having proper references and information of a sports person of India who plays for Indian team in powerlifting the page is repeatedly being deleted by a group of user please protect this page by the purpose of vandalism because it's not a fake person or promotion on advertisement of a person it's totally real and genuine athlete from India — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikkibihola (talk • contribs) 16:17, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Vikkibihola, I don't understand what's happening. What page does this concern and why have you contacted me about it? El_C 16:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I_C, thanks for explaining. I wonder why they came to me. I see they've now been globally locked, so, I suppose this is wrapped up. El_C 16:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My mom was gonna name me David, but two cousins got in ahead of me. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Davidovich it is, then! El_C 17:27, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Chambhar
Hey bro,
I need your help, you protected the article Chambhar on my request but before your protection, a user named Yash1110 reverted my edit and recovered the unsourced material and unreliable sources. Mahant Sonty (talk) 18:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Mahant Sonty. Sorry, but that seems like an editorial matter and not really for me to weigh on (see The Wrong Version). Good luck, El_C 18:56, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I'm taking another look. El_C 18:58, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mahant Sonty, I have topic banned Yash1110 from the WP:CASTE topic area and manually reverted. Thanks for bearing with me. Cheers! El_C 19:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Yeah, I saw it, but I don't remember a lot about that block from 9 months ago, and you've provided no links for me concerning it so I could refersh my memory. Nor was I the one who closed the ANI report to impose the restrictions, which they are indeed in violation of. [Strike note: while technically true, there may be mitigating factors I overlooked at the time of writing that.] What I do remember is how unpleasant it was to deal with them, so I wouldn't want to do that again, regardless. Suggest you contact the WP:RESTRICT closer, or start a new ANI complaint. Good luck. El_C 14:05, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My previous indef block
The circumstances surrounding my previous indef block are very complex. Long story short, 99% of the block can be attributed to an ANI case against me (involving the deletion of comments), but the final 1% reason for the block came from a completely unrelated source. Basically, if my luck had been slightly better, I probably wouldn't have received a block at all. The administrators were frustrated with the ANI case, but they were ultimately looking to close it and let me and the accuser (both of us having problems) with a warning. However, at the last second, one of the administrators blocked me for a completely random reason. I had allegedly accidentally "outed" my friend. He was someone I knew from Reddit, and I commented on his talk page with a link to his account, which was in hindsight rather stupid. With that being said, it was definitely not harassment, and he came to my defence to get me unblocked. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 00:19, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Jargo Nautilus, sure, but the point is that if someone just looks at your block log without knowing all of that, all they see is the reason being WP:OUTING, which as I noted at WP:AE is a component of the WP:HARASSMENT policy. So that is why folks may call it harassment, even if it was cleared up afterwards. What I'm saying is that there's no way to tell that (complexity, etc.) from your block log. Ironically, one would have to comb your contributions to figure that out. Regards, El_C 00:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The reason for the block was accidental. Unfortunately, this incident has permanently tarnished my record despite being non-malicious in nature. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 00:28, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As for Mellk, he is still guilty of the charge of leaving a warning on my talk page in a pre-existing section. I'm pretty sure that's against standard procedure, no matter the circumstances. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 00:28, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Jargo Nautilus, as I already explained to you at AE concerning a "warning" and the absence of a "pre-existing section" which you claim is a violation of some sort — again, that is not so. As I noted, there is no such formal requirement. El_C 00:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I still regard the location of the warning as a form of harassment. Obviously, this is not immediately obvious from viewing the diff, but the main gist is that Mellk had perceived my pre-existing discussion as problematic and decided to leave the warning there. Effectively, the warning was entirely off-topic with regard to that discussion since he wasn't addressing the discussion at all, and he also wasn't previously party to that discussion. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 00:53, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, you're free to think anything about anything, but it isn't immediately apparent how that constitutes harassment (the policy) on the basis of what you said. You can request users not to edit your talk page, though, which aside from required notices, they are expected to observe. I see that you asked Selfstudier to do so (diff), which they ignored (diff), and then ignored again (diff). I'll have a word with them about that. El_C 01:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My deletion of SelfStudier's comments at my own talk page is actually one of the main reasons that he started the arbitration case in the first place. He even mentions this in his report against me. He was getting really frustrated because I kept deleting all of his warnings and telling him to stop messaging me, and he thought I was breaking the rules. Evidently, both he and I do not have a full understanding of the (extensive) rules/policies and guidelines of Wikipedia. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 01:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Jargo Nautilus, well, as it happens, they were the one who were breaking the rules there, not you. Beyond that, I think everyone in that dispute can improve, be it tone and tenor, or respecting one's user talk page, and so on. But so long as that improvement happens, we live and learn. El_C 01:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Jargo Nautilus, yeah, that sucks. But if you conduct yourself in an exemplary manner in the long term, the effect of that will diminish with your increased reputation. Unfortunately, block logs cannot be excised (technically).El_C 00:41, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strike that. I forgot that it is actually technically possible now, though that would be up to the blocking admin. But I don't think it's something that's really done. I've blocked close to 10,000 users and I've never done it or seen anyone else do it. A log entry cannot be edited, however. Sometime an additional very brief block (like for 1 second) is imposed just to clarify something by adding it as an entry to the block log. Back in the per-2010s, I did that to my own block log (a bit too much). El_C 00:52, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have any intention to remove the entry from my block log. I definitely did some bad things at the time, i.e. there was an ANI case occurring simultaneously for a reason. However, the final nail in the coffin is really misleading because it makes it look like I'm some sort of stalker or doxxer, when in reality my actual crime that I was guilty of was simply disruptive behaviour in general, not unlike what is happening now I suppose. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 00:58, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's been 2 years and no blocks since, so I wouldn't worry about that aspect of it too much. El_C 01:01, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User:Jamesegan1
Hi, I'm new and I was looking for an administrator to look at User:Jamesegan1
I don't know what I'm doing yet as far as possible vandals. Could you take a look please and advise? Thanks Knitsey (talk) 22:00, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah someone has caught it already. Please ignore my message and I will read up on vandalism policy. Thanks. Knitsey (talk) 22:12, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Glad it worked out, Knitsey. El_C 05:13, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
CMD been called as Jones etc
Hi, I was actually just looking at CMD user and talkpage on and off due to his long term work with Singapore-related articles and noted the recent incident and spent some time reading it. I am wondering if you had noticed this section with attention to topic name and the "name" being given. Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 09:59, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. Sorry, I thought I'd have a day to wrap this up, but then [blank], and now it's too late as I'll be AWOL for a week or two (unrelated). El_C 02:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just thought might be a relevant FYI but might be me being sensitive and should not be considered as part of the ongoing issue. No worries, you can just chuck this FYI aside if it is not important or you are being busy in real life! Take care! Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 02:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Problematic IP user has returned
Hello El C, back in August you temporarily blocked an IP user range and gave them some very good behavioral advice moving forward.[12] Unfortunately, the same IP user is back and is engaging in WP:NOTHERE behavior. [13] The user is drawn to specific pages, covered by the Balkan/Eastern European discretionary sanctions. I have long suspected that the IP user is in fact linked to a registered user @Xz1333, [14]. As the IP user is continuously making edits to the exact same content, my only hypothesis for their behavior is that they are trying to circumnavigate the 3RR rule. Let me know your thoughts as your input would be most appreciated in helping to curtail this behavior. Thank you. ElderZamzam (talk) 23:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi ElderZamzam. I already intended to indefinitely semiprotect both History of Kosovo and Demographic history of Kosovo as an AE action if the recent temporary semiprotections were to fall short, so I've now done so. Hopefully, that'll go a good way to curb the ongoing disruption, which irrespective of that IP, has been a long term thing in both pages. But that IP (/64) 's editing probably needs to be looked at again. Unfortunately, as far as myself doing that, at the very least it'll have to wait for a week or two, as I'm not gonna be around much if at all during that time. El_C 02:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings (again), I believe Sylvain Charlebois' page is being vandalized again, with additions coming from dairy farmers who want to damage his reputation. It is continuing to happen. This page should either be deleted or fully protected. Thank you. CFPR2021 (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't have the spare time to assist with this matter right now. El_C 15:13, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, can you recommend someone you can look into this? CFPR2021 (talk) 15:25, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, no one specific person, I wouldn't want to impose. But if it's vandalism for real, then WP:AIV; if it's more nuanced disruption, WP:ANI. El_C 15:29, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was the one who did the edits this page. I am not from the dairy industry (in fact, lactose intolerant).
There is no agenda from my part. I simply reinstated a story from Sylvain Charlebois, which was highly publicized, and factual. I provided news sources and properly referenced the page. This is ultimately an important story that gained national attention and led to the stepping down of a dean from a high-profile university. However, this story was completely removed.
I believe there is an agenda to whitewash Sylvain Charlebois' name and completely erase this story. I don't believe that Sylvain Charlebois should be demonized for the bullying investigation done against him. I simply think it's important to prevent this story from being completely removed from his bio (as has been attempted multiple times). Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 16:28, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
RfA
I'd like to follow up on my neutral vote on your candidate and wanted to mention that the main argument for a support was your nomination, I just trust your judgement and I hope to see another candidate from you. But for your candidate the opposes were so prominent, that I felt unsure. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the kinds words, Paradise Chronicle. Maybe the less I say about that RfA from this point on, the better, but I appreciate you taking the time. Regards, El_C 14:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My references to WP:POINT at the current RFA were not meant to ridicule or hurt you. At the time, I felt disappointed that someone whose judgment I generally find to be sound would, well, be disruptive to make a point. On further reflection, my comments did not help to defuse the situation, and for that I apologize. –FlyingAce✈hello 16:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No apology needed, FlyingAce. I didn't conduct myself optimally, to put it mildly. But I appreciate you saying that, thank you. Regards, El_C 16:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
USA protection
I just put a brief full-protect on United States - I'm probably not going to be around to fix the ECP when it expires. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to remember, SarekOfVulcan, but my memory is notoriously bad. El_C 19:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise. I'm sure somebody will get to it... --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I'm contacting you because I've seen that you're an experienced admin active in the EE area. In August I filed an RM at Talk:Russian separatist forces in Donbas, which has been recently closed with "no consensus" by a non-involved editor. It was a tough call and a long discussion, with many editors (I think 14 out of 21) !voting in support of the RM and 7 opposing it. I'm not fully convinced about the lack of consensus, and I've started a conversation with the closer. They've been kind and ready to explain and give advice, but I feel that that conversation is not going anywhere and I'm wondering whether asking for a review of the closure would be appropriate here. Note that I've never opened an RM before and I've participated in very few ones, so I lack experience and might well be completely wrong about what a consensus is within the frame of an RM. However.... I think there's a consensus to move, and if there's not, I think the discussion is not over yet and should be re-opened. I'd appreciate if you could have a look at this and give me some advice as to how to proceed, or not to proceed, on the matter. The relevant discussions are the following ones:
I know it's lots of stuff! Please if you don't have time or interest, don't worry and just tell me - I won't be upset. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 13:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Interest, possibly. But time, no, not right now, I'm afraid. Sorry. Regards, El_C 13:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry, thank you anyway, especially for the prompt reply! Best, Gitz (talk) (contribs) 13:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, but where's the fusion? Done121 btw. El_C 17:35, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
a rainbow pic today, and a deer yesterday (but hard to see) - Jubilate Deo - could you please do Psalm 35? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, I can't see it, but ask SFR about his blurry Bambi. That is an ambitious rainbow, though. 35 Done btw. El_C 01:50, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Blurry is better than not there, which is what it will be when I'm hunting. :( ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:53, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's illegal! El_C 01:57, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am fully licensed and have tags! You can't tell me what to do! YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MOM! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:02, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I am! Also, I'm doubtful that you can get a license to hunt Bambi, as opposed to an adult doe. But if you were to hunt the adult doe and orphan Bambi, you'd be a villain. Like, a Disney villainpar excellence.El_C 02:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The tags are for antlered and antlerless, so technically I could shoot that fawn. Also, I'm basically Van Pelt, and I like to think of myself as an antihero, rather than a villain. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Semantics. Bambi's the protagonist and you are the antagonist, you can't pretty it. Yikes, though. Those laws are whack. El_C 02:21, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
When our hunting season for deer takes place it's beyond being a fawn, and will be out of spots. The antlerless tags are assigned by lottery, and used to manage the population. Also, no sportsman wants to waste a tag on a tiny deer. I've seen at least three large bucks on my trail camera, and I'd much rather take one or two of them and leave the doe. It's all moot though, since I only see deer from my blind when I'm hunting turkey. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, there's hope for you yet. I see, that conservation approach makes sense (or could, at least). El_C 02:41, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The North American model of wildlife conservation is actually pretty good. Wildlife populations are strong and well maintained. Again, it's all beside the point because I'm cursed to never see a deer in season. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take your word for it. I never hunted and have no interest in doing so, though I would if I had to. The only times I fired guns in NA were in the gun range (and Counter-Strike). El_C 03:03, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can rest easy knowing that I don't hunt for the sport of it. I'm interested in providing as much food for my wife and I as possible. Deer hunting is also the most boring shit in the world. I probably answered 200 edit requests while hunting last year. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 03:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I knew that. But that (WP:ER) is funny. As for me, I hunt campers. El_C 03:22, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Back to the beginning: thank you for Psalm 35, next Psalm 37 (40 verses though). Today, at the New Synagogue, I heard songs from the heart of Israel, sung by Shai Terry in Hebrew, German, English and French. No written program. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! The rose pic was taken on 11 Sep 2021, and this year was full of music that day, Tag des offenen Denkmals, not only singing in church and rehearsals for Verdi's Requiem, but two concerts at special places pictured, one a synagogue (pictured on its wall). Today three DYK: a piece we'll perform on Sunday (a Psalm 100 setting), a violinist we heard in June playing the Berg Concerto, and a Youth Orchestra shaped by a conductor who recently died. Almost too much of a good thing. - I'll fix Psalm 37 after this round. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Psalm 37 taken with thanks! And noticed that Psalm 38 has no Hebrew yet, - shorter! --
Nice. A Requiem by any other name... Erm: 38Done. El_C 15:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I got most of Psalm 41 done - just music missing, but will go out now. Hebrew please when you get to it. Did you see, admirer of St. Martin, the latest video (organ of the month), under the externals? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. BTW, the King James Version is missing the first line. Is that in the original or an oversight specific to that page? Yes, I love that organ! Now we just need to hook it up to a Leslie and we're golden. El_C 14:11, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's quite often that the KJV has no description of by whom for what occasion, and thus different numbering. Sad, but can't be helped. Quirky: the video of my one choral conductor was taken by the other choral conductor ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We still miss Psalm 40, "I waited patiently ...", or did I miss something? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, it's not sad to me. ;) Nice, a fellow organist, too, I see.
I don't know what happened with 40. The Mamre site shows that I at least looked at it, but no idea. Either way: Done. El_C 16:57, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! - Today, we sang old music for two choirs at church, pictured, scroll to the image of the organ of the month of the Diocese of Limburg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:01, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. Might need a few Leslies, though, it's a biggun! El_C 03:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
thank you - Elyakim Haetzni: there's not much more about him in German but in Hebrew, - could you add a bit? ... then I'd take him to Recent deaths. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, no can do. I'm busy too today, though for other reasons. El_C 12:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I don't know if I wanna do that, and I am definitely not into nominating anything to WP:ITNC. But I am open to reviewing it when you think it's ready. El_C 12:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I said I'd nominate. But not translate. I'll see what I find in a language I can read which is not Hebrew. Nothing today - I do only one per day, and am actually "booked" for the month just making an exception on days like today, doing one I didn't know would exist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I misread about the nom. But more bluntly still: I don't like speaking ill of recently deceased persons whom, to put it delicately, I'm not a fan of. Be they the late Queen or this Israeli ultranationalist. There would usually have to be some greater urgency for me to do content work that features them. El_C 13:17, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"ultranationalist" now told me enough, - I didn't get that from my very brief look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Changed today for a singer from Ukraine I saw in two operas - Psalm 44 when you have time, please --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm busy, but I'll make tyme. Cool, I like A Midsummer Night's Dream. BTW, last edit is a pet peeve of mine. Like, New York, New York, USA — USA, you don't say. El_C 16:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
44 Done. El_C 16:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
thank you, next will be Psalm 48 - last images for September, music to explore, a Ukrainian baritone first, and the new Casals Forum for chamber music is just wonderful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. Sorry for the lag, I'll try to get to 48 later today. What do you recommend I listen to first / direct link? El_C 14:40, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now my lag: just returned from dress rehearsal Verdi Requiem, couldn't sing last page, too emotional. - Listen to that, perhaps. Our soprano soloist was born in Jerusalem, Talia Or, she has a very delicate pppp in highest register. Bass is Johannes Hill. Now I need food (which means make it), and movement outside. Will be back later to promote that a pic I took is on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ohh — *virtual hug* Quite beautiful interior. But no direct link to music, still? I hope you realize, we're enemies now. El_C 16:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Don't expect a link when I'm hungry. Will take a few hours. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm getting hangry, too. Time for lunch. El_C 16:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I had looked if there was a YT of Talia Or, but no. I knew there was none of the baritone, nor any in the new concert hall. Here's something similar to what we'll do tomorrow, and here some of Thomanerchor with their new conductor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Need updates
A little inspiration. Atsme💬📧 01:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
hand-chipmunks, groundhogs w/chipmunks, squirrels, hand-sparrows, maybe hummingbirds? I am desperate, and need some Zen...or yin yang interaction. Atsme💬📧 00:49, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, very nice pic! Anyway, maybe I would, except... Commons. They kinda fuckin' hate me there. My last interaction at that special, special place involved an admin who was openly mocking my, well, 🐿️ pics (diff). Well, sorry I don't have any pr0n to contribute. Yet! Cheers! El_C 04:14, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Awww...well, Commons can be finicky at times so upload your image file locally using the upload file feature in the left Contribute margin and check keep local. Meanwhile, enjoy!Atsme💬📧 12:42, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But image export is scary. El_C 15:11, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fear not...I will help you. Atsme💬📧 19:10, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It appears you may have something heavy weighing on your mind to be so harsh on yourself. Will your long music menu be appearing soon? 🎼🎶🎵🎹🎤 Atsme💬📧 04:46, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Re: collaboration with haters
Just to follow up on your reply on the now-closed thread, you make a good point about being expected to collaborate with people who hate you. I hadn't thought of that, and I doubt I fully appreciate it, either, because I drift about here so much that I don't really ever interact with anyone for an extended period of time; people who are more focused probably feel the effects of that disruption a lot more than I do. I appreciate you taking the time to engage with and teach me; I'll need to reflect on these issues some more, and hope I'll be wiser for it. Thanks a bunch! —Compassionate727(T·C) 18:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you,Compassionate727, for your thoughtful response. It's very much appreciated. I'm glad we've had this dialogue. Your compassionate disposition does you credit (*pun* intended!). All the best, El_C 18:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Would you be so kind as to close this? Put it out of my misery? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Close, probably not, but I did make a brief comment. El_C 14:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ECP downgrade on "Kundali Bhagya" request
Per edit comment requesting reminder, this particular page was given ECP at diff 1093897347. Request to reverse to Confirmed Protection only as there are issues such as generous lack of citations throughout and lack of manual of style usage that require blanking. Issue is raised by me in related page talk section. If ECP downgrade is not recommended, someone can make the required and sweeping edits. MJHTrailsolid (talk) 23:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks for the reminder, MJHTrailsolid. El_C 23:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Anon-ymousTrecen, no, the protections are needed. As for Volunteer Marek, the thread at WP:ANI is currently live, so I'm not inclined to split the discussion. Also, you being an editor with such brief tenure advancing a pro-Russian position is suspect. Request declined. El_C 15:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, regardless, my stance on the protection increase is the same as my stance on the original protection. Request declined, again. Also, please stop pinging Volunteer Marek to this thread. I'm sure they've seen it by now. El_C 15:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I want to know about Wikipedia user levels Anon-ymousTrecen (talk) 16:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi El C, after some time off, there is now new edit warring of changes in ([15][16][17][18][19]), and the lengthy use of talkpages as WP:FORUMs ([20][21]) has restarted. Furthermore, the name-calling and and aspersions have continued ([22]), so it would be really great if this would cease. At any rate, given there is current disruption, if the AE case is to remain unclosed, would it be forum shopping to post on WP:AN/EW regarding the new edit warring? I ask as you are the most involved admin in that AE case, if you would want to decline to answer please let me know and I can ask elsewhere. Best, CMD (talk) 16:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Let's just say that if I was allowed to, I would have had recourse to JM talk page by now (this is also partly related ARBPEE).Selfstudier (talk) 16:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
CMD, no, I'm unlikely to do anything further wrt to him. Upon reflection, I probably overdid it on his talk page for me to feel comfortable taking the lead now. But hopefully, my comments there and at AE will be useful to other reviewers. As for your forum shopping question, I don't think it would count as a violation of it, so long as you make a note of it to, and at, the ongoing AE complaint. HTH. Regards, El_C 16:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, not a problem. I asked them to self-revert (not sure whether they're on 4 or 5 now), so I'll give some time. I would prefer that to opening a board case. CMD (talk) 17:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I_C
I loled, nableezy - 19:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nice, I think I should introduce you to EI C. El_C 19:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Puyi photo
Hi, it was me that changed the photo. I think it doesn't matter all that much if it gets changed to something else. Wondering if you could unlock. There's a far more silly matter of users deleting sources relating to his sexuality because it upsets them.
Wonder if you could unlock or have a look at the edits by Jadetemple.
Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So much good music! River Man in particular is always a favourite of mine. Jr8825 • Talk 19:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Today is Erntedank in Germany, thanksgiving, and we celebrated our village's 650th anniversary, and had the dress rehearsal for Verdi's Requiem with an interesting band of marimba, piano, horn, bass, timpani and drum, - concert tomorrow, our national holiday. Seeing a pic I took on the Main page was also a nice harvest. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
thank you! - new day, another pictured DYK (but not pictured by me this time): look at power work tensions (if you translate) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sweet. BTW, I too am a fan of JudithBob Weir, even though he does get overexcited a lot (which I mostly find endearing). El_C 19:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nice! - I did for Leon Schidlowsky what I could, which isn't enough for the RD corner because many things - related to his wife, conductors, students, works - is not referenced. Could you please check if there's anything in Hebrew supplying all these things? I have no time to do puzzle work. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, the Hebrew page is brief and poorly-referenced. Little if anything of what it says isn't already repeated in its English counterpart, and hardly any of it is directly-referenced. It does provide links to some newspapers snippets (screens), mostly from the 70s, but they don't really say anything too germane, biographically.
Interestingly, though, in one of the interviews he's asked about a Jewish parallel to Che Guevara, and he mentions Yair Stern, which is... novel. But he does come across as a very humane and thoughtful person. Some of his thoughts on music theory are very deep. I'm far from a music novice and I could barely understand half of it. But the crux of it seems to be his drive towards a synesthesia of sorts. Like, referencing Skriabin's view on light and colour, and so on. Again, much of it went over my head.
The Hebrew page also has a link to entries (100+) about him at the National Library, but they're all either physical copies of works, or links to notations and recordings. I listened to a few of those recordings, like Nacimiento,The White Queen, and Golem. But I didn't really like any of em. It just isn't my cup of tea. It's too chaotic for my taste; too formless and structureless-sounding (and eerie), but without any melodic payload. Sorry, I couldn't be of more help! El_C 04:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much, this is great help. I had no time to listen, for example - am a bit ashamed now. - So, we agree that the English article is quite good as it is, but not good enough for RD. It was a user's only contrib, did you know? Someone who knew him well, but added no sources. What you could do is, add the interview to the external links, for those who want to know more about his thinking. Yes, it was the mentioning of El C that made me think you might be interested ;) - Thank you exposing the power station ("power work", if you translate German) where I went with my father! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, I was unaware, I didn't look at the revision history. Last edit was 2014, though, and not much activity otherwise. First edit (in 2009) was to Pablo Neruda, though, so, Like. I'm not sure adding a screenshot to an Israeli Hebrew-language newspaper, even if it's my favourite newspaper, would be that useful to an English-language page tbh. The only time I do something like that with a Hebrew source is if it references something specific, with the pertinent excerpt translated to English in the ref. RE: it was the mentioning of El C that made me think you might be interested — sorry, you lost me. El_C 14:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He set text by Che Guevara to music, no more, no less. I'm determined to write about his Missa Sine Nomine, just because it seems an extraordinary idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, El_Comandante, of course! I probably need more coffee, as that was pretty dim of me. Not even a puzzle (on the Gerda-scale or otherwise). RE: Missa sine nomine — cool, looking forward to reading it. El_C 14:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Re: Bad fanfiction
Long time no see! I enjoyed your comments on the talk page for our Rings of Bezos article, but you'll forgive me for not wanting to touch any of this "viewer reaction" stuff on that page. Said stuff, AFAIAC, is the result of Amazon engaging in tokenism and placing their fanfic characters, many of whom are played by Black actors, front and centre in the marketing, with the clear intent that (a) the "anti-woke" crowd would add their voices to the existing nervousness surrounding Amazon creating Tolkien fanfiction that, in the minds of the general public, will now surely overwrite Tolkien's own writings, and (b) this reaction then be used by Amazon to smear everyone who is nervous as a cyber-fascist. Given that I was already sceptical about the show before anyone was complaining about supposedly colour-blind casting (as I was about those awful Hobbit movies), and that I had myself been targeted by such cyber-fascists (back before the Trump era, when they were just called trolls) on this very site, you will surely appreciate why I find such shenanigans absurd and more than a little offensive.
As for why I say "tokenism" and "supposedly" colour-blind casting, it's pretty obvious that they cast white actors to play Galadriel, Elrond, Gil-galad, Isildur, Annatar, et al. is because they consider whiteness to be a core component of their characters rather than something incidental that doesn't matter. I enjoy the acting in The Mahabharata (1989 film), and IMO the only problem with that film's colour-blind casting is that it largely consisted of a white director hiring white actors to play characters who are traditionally portrayed as ethnically Indian, but they didn't leave Indians out of the cast, and there are Africans and "East Asians" in prominent roles too, not to mention that of the three full-brothers who lead the cast two are white and one is Black, which can be read as a powerful statement on the arbitrariness of "race". The present show, meanwhile, while it can claim the fact that its (mostly white?) producers have cast people of colour in roles that a "traditional interpretation" to be white as a point in its favour over The Mahabharata (where a "non-white story" was made "more white"), it still seems to have made all the non-fanfic, non-background characters white, and I've seen no evidence that this was done for any reason other than that the showrunners consider whiteness to be a more integral part of, for example, Galadriel's character than her being a representative of the Virgin Mary in Tolkien's Catholicism.
Anyway, I agree with you that the writing is poor and feels like bad fanfiction in places. But I have my doubts as to whether any Hollywood screenwriter -- even one experienced at writing good fanfiction -- is capable of writing dialogue like But how shall a man discover whether that time be come or no, save by daring the Door? or Alas that a fey mood should fall on a man so greathearted in this hour of need! If anyone could, they'd be ostracized by the industry long before they were allowed anywhere near a franchise that cost its studio a billion dollars. It seems pretty obvious that Amazon realized their mistake too late to back out completely but not to late to adopt the marketing strategy described in the preceding paragraph.
No, not at all, Hijiri 88. This is a safe space for rants! ;) Race in Tolkien's mythos (or legendarium as he called it) was always geography based, but even at a relatively young age, I remember it bothering me that blacks (in the south) were depicted in such a negative way. So I don't at all mind modernizing that by adding people of colour all over Middle Earth / Arda. And I also don't at all mind heroines over heroes. On the contrary. I'm currently 2/3 into Green Rider, whose protagonist, Karigan, is a young woman. And I'm liking it a lot. Good character, good world building. I don't mind authors whose politics lean right in fiction, so long as the story isn't expressly reactionary.
I'm biased though, so left and right are not the same to me in that sense. So, when left politics are more overt, like, say, with Terry Brooks' Word & Void trilogy (which has a female lead btw, Nest), that's fine, and those are great. But I didn't even know the other Terry, Terry Goodkind, was politically reactionary (libertarian) until years later when I read it in passing. And I still kept buying his books even after, because they're really good. I also liked the Sam Raimi TV adaptation Legend of the Seeker (++ BDSM!). Which ties to Green Rider as its top review on the sleeve is by Goodkind himself. It's likely that him and Kristen Britain are friends, because the main river in the book is called "Terrygood" (lol!).
But tokenism is a good term for this advent of poorly-written, unlikable female characters in many series and films. Female characters that don't really grow because there isn't much stakes. That, coupled with all men being bad, or cowards, or simply tokens to prop up the female leads (unless the men are of colour), almost always results in unwatchable trash. I think the reason for that is the corporate execs hire terrible people like themselves to write these. People who, like themselves, are imitation-progressives. Largely, mercifully, I haven't seen that trend extend to books (though not to jinx it!). The thing about Karigan, Kristen Britain's female lead in Green Rider, for example, is that she is vulnerable, but hardships makes her fierce, and she ultimately preserves. More of those female leads, please! Anyway, good to see you and thanks for sharing your thoughtful thoughts (as always). All the best, El_C 00:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The rings of bezos definitely isn't great, but so far I think it's fine. It's got swords and such. I think part of the casting for the main characters is that they're trying to make them look somewhat similar to the actors in the Jackson movies, so they can benefit a bit from fans of those movies. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Rings of Bezos — lol! I gotta use that! Again, unlike many of those who are critical of the show, I was entertained (it doesn't take much to entertain me, though), but I still found it to be trash. Thanks for the books recommends, I'll definitely keep those in mind, though I might order the remaining three Green Rider novels first. El_C 01:12, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hijiri 88 used the Rings of Bezos above, so they get credit for that. I think I mentioned The Gap Cycle to you before. Best books I've ever read, though emotionally exhausting at times. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Shit, I missed that, and I thought I read it closely. :( El_C 01:24, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but now there's no other option but for you to resign you admin tools for the crime of giving attribution for an amusing phrase to the wrong person. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:42, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To quote James Randal: I'm scared.El_C 01:45, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think my biggest critique is that evil returned from hiding literally the same week the elf King is like "Yep, officially no more evil. Call back all of the evil-looker-out-forers." And the sailers moving ropes scene was pretty trash. "Quick! Unlash the rope, pull on it when it's tied off to a pulley that can't possibly work, then relash it!" And gratuitous slow motion horse riding along a beach with a fierce smile.
I think, on average, episode 3 actually had more okay'ish scenes than the first 2 episodes (which, in itself, is a blunder), but yeah, as I was saying, it's trash. Refactoring from here. Scene from episode one (verbatim).
Elrond:But Galadriel, as a friend, I wanna know how you're doing.
Galadriel:Get fucked. I wanna speak to your manager!
//And... scene. El_C 23:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But as I was also saying, there's also some great talent pool, but they're just being wasted by terrible writing and absurd character motivations. And not just the cast is wasted. For eg., Bear McCreary is amazing (song spam refactor), but what is with all the repetition? And not everything needs to be orchestral. Jeesh. El_C 23:24, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just finished the episode and all I could think of was the "you tried" gold star comic sans ms meme. Also, I think of you can single chop through a 2 for diameter log in a single swing, you could probably just hulk out of the chains. I also laughed out loud at the warg.
On the topic of tokenism, I get they want more representation, but getting it by giving the white main characters non-white children seems weird. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:48, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you both for the above (I enjoyed your replies, but I can't remember if I used the "thank" function at the time). I wasn't going to come back to this (I found Wikipedia's coverage of modern Hollywood toxic before Donald Trump was even elected -- ask me about the textual plagiarism, OR, and huge chunks of articles based almost entirely on first-party PR materials in our "Marvel Cinematic Universe" articles, and my disastrous attempts to clean them up, sometime...). But now that the season is almost over and seemingly an ever larger segment of at least Tolkien fandom and professional critics (if not reflected in the TomatoMeter, where everything other than "I hate this show and everyone involved in it" constitutes praise and acclaim) have come around to a viewpoint approximating my own, and that the writers all but admitted in the show that they had forgotten who Celeborn was because he was barely in the Peter Jackson films (and seemingly both Ian McKellen and Cate Blanchett, if not Peter Jackson, forgot about him about him when making those Hobbit movies[23]). But I've been reading the Carpenter Letters anthology, and I noticed that in Letter 45 Tolkien essentially calls out a near-contemporary of his (some amateur painter named Adolf) as a "ruddy little ignoramus" who was only pretending to be interested in Germanic mythology as a pretext to advance his own political agenda. Given what some crypto-fascists have been claiming ("I've totally always been into Tollkien [sic] and am appalled by what Amazon are doing to his legacy"), I had a bit of a chuckle at that passage. (And yeah, I know those fascists are an increasingly small minority of people criticizing the show. But it was still somewhat upsetting when one of their videos showed up in my YouTube recommendations because as far as the YouTube robots are concerned fascist posers are totally the same thing as Tolkien fans who like the colour-blind casting and were cautiously optimistic about this show right up until it came out and was pretty bad.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:58, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I sort of ranted further about this subject here. But the short of it is that Incest Dragons has good writing and experienced showrunners, whereas Amazon inexplicably gave Bored of the Rings to inexperienced, pretentious writers and showrunners that rank high on the Dunning–Kruger scale. And they are now in panic mode, leading to hilarious contradictions: on the one hand, professing to love the Tolkien mythos, but at the same time, also calling it fascist-adjacent. Ultimately, though, these imitation-progressives can blame the viewers and virtue signal till the cows come home, but they cannot not conceal the naked reality. It being that a soap opera, even the most expensive one in history, will always fall short when it tries for immersion.
That's because dumbing down everything isn't immersive, fundamentally so. Even at the unconscious level, jumping off a ship hundreds of miles from, well, anywhere — is super-dumb. Or surviving direct contact with a pyroclastic flow (and keeping one's hair, even) — is also super-dumb. The showrunners' latest panic (at the Hollywood Reporter IIRC), calling criticism of the show (without qualifications!) "patently evil" shows the kind of people they truly are: hollow and wholly devoid of reflection no matter what. It reminds me of the latest underhanded attempts to paint Amber Heard as a victim (at Jezebel IIRC) despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That's because evidence and substance isn't something that matters to them.
No one does more damage to genuine progressives than these fakers. But that's not a new thing. There's countless examples: like, Hillary Clinton praising the incumbent Italian PM, neo-fascist Giorgia Meloni, solely because she's a woman. And so on and so forth, it ebbs and flows, taking new forms, as it has since time immemorial. El_C 16:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Heads up
Hi El C - you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mahsa Amini earlier today. I've just CU-blocked a bunch of the more active contributors - I haven't read through the discussion, just letting you know in case you want to revisit your close. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 13:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I already discounted most if not all of em, I just didn't bother making note of it in my close. I learned about that AfD in the first place from the ANI complaint titled: Sock puppetry and canvassing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mahsa Amini, so was already cognizant of the many {{spa}} / {{canvass}} tags, etc. But thanks for the notice. El_C 14:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Yeah, much of the collateral is recent, like, today even, hence my reservations. El_C 14:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks
Hey, hope you're doing well. Many thanks for handling my RPP at Turkish war of independence, i already asked for protection yesterday, but it was declined and that allowed the disruption to keep going. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk)(contribs) 17:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey np. I've protected that page 8 out of the 20 times it's been protected over the years (double that of the runner up, EdJohnston), so I think I got a pretty good sense of its long term ebb and flow. As for the decline yesterday: I wouldn't hold it against an admin who did not have the benefit of my experience with the history of the page. Regards, El_C 17:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely, i have no problem with the decline, as it is at admins' discretion, i just wanted to give a perspective as to why the disruption continued. Best.---Wikaviani (talk)(contribs) 08:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please proceed by reverting the blocked user's last edit which was in violation of WP:CON anyway? I don't want it to look like an edit war in the page's history. Shahid • Talk2me 15:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, it's pure WP:PROMO, so it'd be fine. But sure np. El_C 15:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Phaisit16207, you already mentioned that user in your opening, so that isn't new information. Above, I had asked you: users as in plural? Meaning, more than one, to which you said: yes. Therefore, the original question remains: who else, besides Pktlaurence, were you referring to?
Look, I'll be blunt. I'm not sure I'm able to convey all of this to you any more clearly. I'm sorry to say, but there's a limit to how many times I can repeat the same query in different ways. Though I understand that I might have been too terse at times. The thing is that the protection policy ordinarily limits me from upgrading a protection due to just one single user.
I'll put it to you this way, then: if you still can't answer me after all of this, you're probably gonna need to take this request and any future ones elsewhere. I'm not sure if it's a language barrier or what, but when someone knows something in advance that I don't, I expect for them to provide that info to me when they ask for my help. Which usually saves me time. But in this case, it hasn't as we've just been going around in circles. So, to repeat one more time: which (auto)confirmed user, besides Pktlaurence, were you referencing? Good luck. El_C 23:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm yes, I referred him only, it isn't plural, but he edited so much. Phaisit16207 (talk) 05:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Phaisit16207, like I implied last time, your command of the English language probably isn't good enough for the English Wikipedia, so you should maybe consider contributing to a different language project. Also, Pktlaurence is not autoconfirmed, they've been an extended-confirmed user since 2016, so upgrading the protection would have had no effect on them. Thanks. El_C 11:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, also thanks, but I'm sorry, I'm not a native English speaker. Phaisit16207 (talk) 11:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a native English speaker, either, but you need to be able to communicate effectively in English nevertheless. El_C 11:36, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The edit in question was definitely POV pushing that needed to be reverted. But why do you think that it was so egregious that it needed to be revision deleted? I am not seeing it. Cullen328 (talk) 05:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just don't think grandstanding like that during a tragedy is appropriate, but feel free to undo if you think different. I have no objection. El_C 06:07, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
According to WP:REVDEL, RevisionDelete was introduced for administrators in 2010. The community's endorsement of the tool included a very strong consensus that its potential to be abused should be strictly barred, prevented by the community, and written into the policy. Especially, RevisionDelete does not exist to remove "ordinary" offensive comments and incivility, or unwise choices of wording between users, nor to redact block log entries. Material must be grossly offensive, with little likelihood of significant dissent about its removal. Otherwise it should not be removed. Administrators should consult as usual if uncertain that a revision would be appropriate to redact.. Please explain how this specific content meets that standard. Thanks. Cullen328 (talk) 06:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What is unclear to you in my above reply? El_C 06:29, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What is unclear to me is why you concluded that the edit in question met the clear established standards for revision deletion. Is "grandstanding" or any synonym mentioned? All I am asking for is a clear and direct explanation for the action you took as an administrator. Cullen328 (talk) 06:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The matter of what is offensive or disruptive and any terms used to describe these are subject to one's own interpretation of said policy. But I undid the action, since I'm getting the sense that you were not gonna do it, but rather, want to keep arguing over semantics. El_C 06:49, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am not interested in arguing but rather in explanations. Since it seems to me that you have chosen evasion instead of a forthright answer, I will just move on. Take care. Cullen328 (talk) 06:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That, too, is subject to interpretation. See ya. El_C 06:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@El C Please downgrade protection to ECP so that socks are kept out. Not contributors. Since yesterday our Edit request on HP Election talk page is waiting for an admin but they all seem to be busy and overworked. Venkat TL (talk) 18:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, I guess, but that'll mean blocks for extended-confirmed users who continue the edit war, yourself included. But, sure, I'm fine with that. El_C 18:14, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Either way, now Done. El_C 18:30, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. The edit request should have made it clear, it was request to be added to 2022_Himachal_Pradesh_Legislative_Assembly_election#Schedule. I have now added it. Regarding the full protection, this is an ongoing event and full protection is unworkable because the article gets frozen with no updates. This is a controversial article and 'any user' who refuse to follow the WP:DISPUTERESOLUTION and WP:CONSENSUS policies to push their edits without consensus would need to follow the rules or should be blocked for editing warring without consensus. Venkat TL (talk) 10:03, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, if you're able to work that out, all power to you. But these pages are not subject to the Consensus required rule, so while WP:ONUS is preferred, you would not be exempt from the edit warring policy in pursuit of that. Just so we're perfectly clear. El_C 11:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have reached out and asked for cooperation from other page contributors on their user talk. Special:Diff/1116405200, Special:Diff/1116103537/1116405678, Special:Diff/1116201605/1116405546. Yes, I understand I am not special. I am seeing WP:CRP for the first time. I have read WP:CONSENSUS and similar pages. I had always assumed that consensus is needed to make controversial edits. After reading this page CRP I think this is very much needed on this page, after what has transpired in last 4-5 days. Please help me understand, How to get this restriction on that page? Would you be willing to put this restriction? or should I start a talk page thread to get support for this CRP. Venkat TL (talk) 11:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, you can propose it, I suppose, and if there's overwhelming consensus for it, you could present that to a noticeboard. But, no, I'm not willing to do so for these page/s. Disputes would have to be not simply severe, but extreme for that to happen. Generally, it isn't really imposed that much anymore as it has proven too challenging to enforce. I don't think I've imposed one myself in 2022 and I don't know anyone else who has. El_C 12:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I have requested to increase the protection level based on the disruptive editing including Venkat TL. Venkat TL has restored his preferred version since you decreased the protection as you can see here and here. Do you think this is something that can be allowed in the middle of an ongoing discussion 12 that's also on two pages where Discretionary Sanction is effective? As there is no deadline to update an article I think the request of Venkat TL to reduce the protection level was only meant to restore his preferred version. TheWikiholic (talk) 18:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)
Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Those Psalms look dunzo'd. El_C 03:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Wow, Evangelische Marktkirche in Wiesbaden looks like an intergalactic spaceship, with pillars. El_C 22:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word. El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Done. I punctuate! El_C 15:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
El_C 14:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Atsme 💬 📧 12:31, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
BTW, DYK that Monarchies of God's Richard Hawkwood isn't the same person as The Wheel of Time's Artur Hawkwing? Yet they both end up discovering Ameriqua? You've heard it here fifth! Also, I praise you for providing AC to all the bunnies! El_C 14:37, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
→ Bonaparte's Retreat — El_C 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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