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    Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Lima Bean Farmer

    There is consensus against outright overturning the TBAN imposed by Dreamy Jazz. However, with Dreamy Jazz' consent, the TBAN's scope is modified to post-1992, not post-1932, mirroring the January 2021 amendment to WP:AMPOL. Lima Bean Farmer is encouraged to edit more actively before any subsequent appeal, and reminded that, if they are unsure whether a particular edit or article would be a violation, they can always ask the sanctioning admin or at AN. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 19:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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    Appealing user
    Lima Bean Farmer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction being appealed
    An indefinite topic ban from post-1932 American politics
    Administrator imposing the sanction
    Dreamy Jazz (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
    Notification of that administrator
    diff

    Statement by Lima Bean Farmer

    I was banned from editing US politics post-1932 for using a sock puppet. This was over two years ago and I deeply regret doing so. The other account was suspended and since then I have not used any other accounts to edit. The only account I’ve used to edit was this one, and I have very carefully edited to not break the topic ban. I feel like I would be a useful editor to help with certain articles that fit my expertise within post-1932 politics, as this is something I have studied extensively. In addition, I have reviewed numerous articles on Wikipedia guidelines regarding contentious and political articles. I feel my editing would be valuable, as it previously was on many other pages. Please lift this ban. Any questions or comments I will be happy to answer, please ping me. Thank you Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 19:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Seraphimblade, the comments you are referring to are from over 2 years ago. I understand you need to look at the entire case, but please don’t hold a grudge over my comments from 2020. I am apologizing for using the sock and would like to continue editing Wikipedia. I haven’t made many edits over the past 2 1/2 years, being very careful to avoid my topic ban. I will add that I believe my editing is helpful to the project as many of my suggestions and edits, as well as some of the pages I’ve created are still functioning. In addition, many of my additions have been praised by other editors, including those with experience. Please allow me to, after 2 and a half years of having this topic ban, get back to editing a topic I love and have significant knowledge about. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    User:Seraphimblade, adding one more section, to add how I would improve editing going forward, I would work more towards creating consensus with fellow, mainly experienced editors to better understand how to edit Wikipedia. Over the past 2 1/2 years I have spent a lot of time reviewing the articles that I used to edit and have noticed certain editing patterns that work best. In addition, I also monitored talk pages and have a better idea on how to have productive conversations. Please keep this in mind Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    User:Dreamy Jazz, please let me clarify. The reason I haven’t made that many edits was because I was very careful to avoid anything that could be related to my topic ban. I previously edited war criminal articles and some relating to WWII but I worried that too closely related to US politics. Many of my edits before my ban were also productive, I generally have a history of productive editing. This is all I hope to achieve and will work more with fellow editors to do so. In addition, I have done practice edits outside of Wikipedia about the articles which I would like to edit again. I am not too familiar with many other topics and would like to edit within my expertise again. Thank you Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 06:11, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    User:El C can you please explain how this falls short? If you read above, I address the comments that User:Seraphimblade made. I don’t think it’s fair to deny this based on me using and denying a sock puppet over 2 years ago. I deeply regret it, haven’t used one since, and fully understand what a sock puppet is and wouldn’t use one again. I went over 2 1/2 years without using one so while I can’t prove I won’t use one in the future, I would hope you would see this as evidence I don’t intend on using one again, and that I am deeply sorry for using one in the first place Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 16:09, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Dreamy Jazz

    I have not kept up with this user to know fully whether I would support or oppose this appeal. One concern I have is that there has not been that many edits made since 2020. Based on a quick estimate this user has made less than 500 edits since the topic ban was made indefinite in 2020. This may not be enough edits to prove constructive editing in other topics. However, these edits do seem to have been constructive based on a quick inspection and some of which are made to non-US political articles.

    I would note that this was made before the conversion to the contentious topics system, so it still is subject to the appeal rules that apply to sanctions less than a year old. If my input is requested, please do ping me so that I see this as I won't be actively watching this. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 23:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @Tamzin, I would not oppose such a change. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 18:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (involved editor 1)

    Statement by (involved editor 2)

    Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Lima Bean Farmer

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    Result of the appeal by Lima Bean Farmer

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    • I found the SPI which led up to the topic ban being extended to indefinite, which itself involved socking to evade a three-month topic ban from the area for disruptive editing [1] (and Lima Bean Farmer, I shouldn't have needed to go digging for those; you should have provided links to all those things in your appeal). In the course of that, I found this comment: [2], where Lima Bean Farmer is asked if they in fact operated the sock, and replies: Euryalus, I know it seems that way....If I say that I am running both accounts, do you think that would help or hurt my case? That's such blatantly dishonest behavior that it blows my mind; LBF was not being asked to provide the answer that serves them best, but the answer which was actually true. Lima Bean Farmer, you clearly thought before that you could be an asset by editing in that topic area, and you quite evidently weren't correct about that. I don't see anything here indicating that you understand what you did that led to your sanctions, or what you would do differently going forward, so I would decline this appeal. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Decline. In response to Seraphimblade's criticism above that this appeal lacks documentation, the appellant says: please don’t hold a grudgewhat? I concur with Seraphimblade's conclusion that, as written, this appeal falls short. El_C 12:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Dreamy Jazz: Given that the CTOP for American politics have been moved up to 1992 from 1932, would you be open to revising LBF's TBAN to match? Perhaps that would assuage their concern and give them more room to edit historical events without fear of stumbling over the TBAN, opening the way for a successful appeal after a few hundred more edits. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 18:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • Alright, my inclination then is to modify thusly but not lift the sanction outright. @Seraphimblade and El C: Would that work for y'all? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 21:02, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
        • Since that's the way the sanctions are now worded anyway, I don't have any issue with that. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:07, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
          • That makes sense to me, especially since Lima Bean Farmer claims an interest in WWII and war criminals, which this modification would open up without fear of violating the sanction (although I skimmed through Lima Bean Farmer's contributions and didn't notice any edits on these topics; I may have missed some but most were on the 2020 elections and Donald Trump's cabinet). Rlendog (talk) 21:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    WikiEditor1234567123

    This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
    Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

    Request concerning WikiEditor1234567123

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Goddard2000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 02:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    WikiEditor1234567123 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBEE
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. [3] Using outdated Ingush folktales to push nationalistic POV (including the category "Ingush people" to non-Ingush persons) in order to change the ethnicity of well known Chechen historical figures.
    2. [4] This user gave undue weight to the very same sources he used in the previous diff to other articles he created previously such as the "Nazran conflict" where the Ingush defeat all three of their neighbors (Chechens, Ossetians and Kabardinians), all based on a folktale with no supporting evidence.
    3. [5] He made other articles based on random outdated folktales and then included them in his article "List of wars involving Ingushetia"
    4. [6] Changing the name of Chechen names for mountains and replacing them with Ingush name without explanation as to why he did it.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    This user is well aware that many of the random folktales he uses are outdated, in a similar now deleted article of his he admitted (although only after admins were involved) his mistakes and promised to use more reasonable sources here. Yet he again tried to do the same thing on a different article recently. Again i contacted an admin in their talk page and this user "dropped it". The admin recommended that i could do the WP:AE even if he dropped his case if he has a history of inserting unreliable folktales then promising to do better but then doing it again. I think i demonstrated with the previously now three deleted articles that he has a history of this. I can explain with more detail on why his folkloric sources are outdated and why they shouldn't be relied upon while ignoring important context but since this report shouldn't exceed 500 words i tried to be more short. The deleted articles and recent article talk page has more details.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    WikiEditor1234567123

    Discussion concerning WikiEditor1234567123

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    Statement by WikiEditor1234567123

    Goddard2000 is, in order to find something against me, bringing up 6 months+ old deleted articles of mine, one of which (Battle of the Assa River) I personally told him should be deleted as I understood my mistake. Back then, I was a very inexperienced user that made a lot of grave mistakes, since then I have added information mostly based on reliable sources and not folktales. Further more, this is a very exaggeration that I do nationalist editing because I once added in Aldaman Gheza in haste and should have first discussed with him instead. Although I didn't even add the sentences about Ingush ethnicity in the article, because I first wanted to reach consensus with Goddard2000 as can be seen in the talk page. Later, I dropped the ethnicity debate of Aldaman Gheza, not because an admin interfered as Goddard2000 stated, but because I understood that even in that article (which itself is full of folkloric facts masked as historical, such as the battles of Kabardians with Chechens or the participation of Aldaman Gheza in the Battle of Khachara (1667)), ethnicity shouldn't be based of folklore, and lastly, seeing a source mention him as Cheberloy aristocrat. I replaced Chechen translation with Ingush translation in Kazbek, because I thought that Chechen translation wasn't notable enough to be there. Later I told you I could add it back in talk page of an admin if you wanted. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 08:51, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning WikiEditor1234567123

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