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Draft:Heidi Saadiya

Hello sir, I'm a new Wikipedia editor. I saw your edits on Robin Wonsley. Can you please help me to expand Draft:Heidi Saadiya? see. She is Kerala's first transwoman broadcast journalist. There are lot of articles about her on the internet. There is a similar article Padmini Prakash, first transgender journalist from India. Imperfect Boy (talk) 04:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Imperfect Boy, I have started research, and I am looking for sustained coverage about her career that extends beyond the 2019/2020 sources in the article. This 2020 Hindustan Times article offers some additional context, and she also received coverage in The Indian Express in 2019. She is also discussed by SheThePeople in 2019. Thank you for bringing this article and the Padmini Prakash article to my attention, and please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks again, Beccaynr (talk) 03:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response. Can you help me to expand the article? Imperfect Boy (talk) 07:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Imperfect Boy, I noticed that you have moved this article from draft to mainspace, and it was then tagged for notability concerns by Theroadislong. I suggest that you undo this and return the article to a draft, so it can continue to be developed. We are looking for support from independent and reliable sources according to the notability guideline for people, which for this article subject, may be the WP:BASIC section, and/or the WP:JOURNALIST section. You may also want to ask for help at the LGBT Studies Wikiproject. However, to help prevent this article from being deleted before it has a chance to be further developed, I encourage you to return it to a draft for now. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 04:07, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Beccaynr, I've moved back the Heidi Saadiya to Draft space. Thank you -Imperfect Boy (talk) 04:10, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Content you restored from an old revision in the above article appears to have been copied from https://githahariharan.com/?p=1552, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, some content had to be removed. Please let me know if you have any questions. — Diannaa (talk) 19:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Diannaa, I have been working on citing and expanding this article, and had not yet closely reviewed her website. However, I had found copyvio from this website, which I had also inadvertantly restored today [1] and was then trying to fix during my expansion of the article after I found the source. I did realize I needed to review the procedures, and I apologize for not being more clear in my edit summaries about what I was copyediting and for not immediately requesting revdel. Should I make a more detailed request at the article Talk page or at WP:CP? Thank you again for your assistance. Beccaynr (talk) 20:04, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is the content still in the article? If it is, you could list it at WP:CP. Or, you could remove it, and then request revision deletion. To do revision deletion, we need to know with which edit the content was added, and the edit where it was removed. — Diannaa (talk) 22:56, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Diannaa - for my own notes, I found the introduction of copyvio from her website and elsewhere at this diff, which was then removed as 'sourced to her own website' [2], then restored by the original editor [3], continued to remain today [4], and I also inadvertantly partially restored [5], before the revision deletion today. Before the revdel, I attempted to clean what I had first found, and the fixed version remains in the article. Since then, I found more copyvio from her website that had been added with the first content from her website, and cleaned it [6]. I also plan to check other content that I have not yet reviewed. Thank you again! Beccaynr (talk) 01:02, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Suspected sock

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Hi - I saw your SPI at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Phoenix man. The sock behavior you describe matches that of the nominator of two articles I wrote: Ragy Thomas and Bev (company). New editor, series of minor edits to get autoconfirmed, all reverted by others, and then after a month, takes two articles to AfD with Twinkle, and shows a more than basic familiarity with common deletion arguments used there. I think the Bev nomination is a smokescreen; the target is the Ragy Thomas article, which was targeted two years ago by a India-POV-pushing sock farm. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Electiondata/Archive. Is it possible that the nom is part of this? Might the obvious sock keeps also be related, in order to discredit other keeps? TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:03, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Timtempleton, when I Google Translated their username, "POV-pushing sock farm" wasn't exactly it, but it was close. And a precocious new user found two obscure articles that you, who had previously reported a sock farm, happened to create, and you are concerned there may be some pump priming occuring by other new accounts. I am also concerned about possible signs of an WP:SPASOCK given your description of possible gaming behavior (all of the minor edits to get autoconfirmed reverted by others). I think the totality of the circumstances supports asking for a CU. Beccaynr (talk) 01:23, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This one is a little tricky. I didn't open a sock investigation because I don't have clear proof who the other sock(s) is/are, but it's clearly not a new editor. I doubt politely asking them to give me the name of their previous account will work. I'm keeping an eye on his/her future edits, and will drop a warning on their talk page if they keep getting reverted or starting time-wasting AfDs. And BTW - thanks for the Bev (company) source hunt. I'll review and see if there's additional info I can add to the article.TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 18:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtempleton @Beccaynr if you are asking why I'm here and why I know some basic stuff, it's because, as you mentioned here, my edits were reverted and I took a month to read the guidelines. I found out that it's almost impossible to create a new articles as the guidelines are so strict. And then, I found quite obscure and not notable articles of Timpeleton. Which are kind of COI and PAID. Let's the community decide what to do with them. 多少 战场 龙 (talk) 08:04, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not swayed with this weak explanation. Very sock-like. The question is, which farm is the user part of? I was hoping they would send other socks again and burn them all. Do you want to open the CU, as an impartial party? TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 12:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtempleton what sock farm are you talking about? The sock was defending your article and was blocked. It was a coincidence? 多少 战场 龙 (talk) 12:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello folks. FYI user 多少 战场 龙 crossed paths with me at WP:Articles for deletion/UP Halcyon (2nd nomination), then they tried to subtly canvass me to !vote delete in the two AfD for Timtempleton's articles. It's all very fishy for a "new user" who was until a week ago merely doing simple Wikilink edits. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:37, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Snap! Although their message on my Talk page was then deleted probably cos of the attention it drew. HighKing++ 18:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you!

The Editor's Barnstar
Great work on expanding Swarnakumari Devi, which I came across in NPP and expanded a little, but your further expansion and cleanup is very impressive! Bungle (talk • contribs) 18:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Bungle, and that book you found is awesome - your work to expand the article also inspires me that much more in my goal to become an NPP reviewer. Thanks again, Beccaynr (talk) 18:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes, i'll see an article in NPP that I want to research/validate further and may find interesting/helpful sources which I think will help assure the article staying. It's great you found the book even more useful though to expand upon! Bungle (talk • contribs) 20:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I like your approach, Bungle, and it reminds me of AfD when trying to expand articles either during or after discussions - I didn't realize how well it works with NPP until I saw your work, so now I am even more motivated to study up on NPP. Cheers! Beccaynr (talk) 00:56, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Too much AGF

Hello. I sincerely thank you for your civilized approach on Wikipedia. But I believe you assume too much good faith and it can have a negative effect even on your own work (by wasting your own time which could have been better spent to expand the content of articles), not to mention the community and the project as a whole. Please see how one person has gamed the entire system for one AfD: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Khabat4545 and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mahsa Amini. Not only he has created the article, but also voted keep for at least 7 times! He also canvassed some other users. Regards 4nn1l2 (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 4nn1l2, I very much appreciate you reporting the socks - I had concerns about socking but had not felt I had enough evidence to filed a report at SPI. And in the AfD, I did cite WP:GAME and ping an admin, although because of the way the article had been created, the apparent evasion of consensus, and the development of what I described as a WP:TNT-worthy POV fork. And I contested the move of the article during the AfD. We are now in the midst of another discussion more specifically focused on preventing disruption to the encyclopedia, and I am taking a 'warn/educate first, then block if disruption continues' approach, but if the community consensus prefers another option, then that is what it will be, and my hope is that my effort to educate and inform about our conduct policies will help protect the encyclopedia in the future. However, I appreciate your feedback, and please always feel free to visit my Talk page with any comments you may have. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 15:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification

The birth year of Swarnakumari Devi is 1855. This information is absolutely correct. It was written on the basis of history of Bengali literature books, Bengali Wikipedia, Bengali wikisource. Knowing the real facts I created the respective article. Wikifulness (talk) 09:50, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wikifulness, thank you for following up. I included 1855 and 1856 in the article because we have reliable sources for both dates. The biographies of living persons policy says in the WP:DOB section: If multiple independent reliable sources state differing years or dates of birth in conflict, the consensus is to include all birth dates/years for which a reliable source exists, clearly noting discrepancies. In this situation, editors must not include only one date/year which they consider "most likely", or include merely a single date from one of two or more reliable sources. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks again, Beccaynr (talk) 14:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ed Douglas

Hey User:Beccaynr, thanks for your insightful comments on Lalita Iyer's AfD. Could you evaluate Ed Douglas's notability? He has authored about seven to eight books on the Himalayas. However, I failed to collect any citations to substantiate his prominence. Does he qualify for a page? Last week, I created a page for one of his books titled Himalaya: A Human History. RPSkokie (talk) 06:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi RPSkokie, thank you for your comments as well, and I would be happy to look for sources - I can plan on searching the Wikipedia library, where I have access to the Taylor & Francis database, which can be particularly good for author sources. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 06:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Beccaynr Thanks. RPSkokie (talk) 06:52, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi RPSkokie, I found book reviews for Tenzing: Hero of Everest: A Biography of Tenzing Norgay on ProQuest, and have been trying to find more accessible links, e.g. Publishers Weekly. The book is being adapted into a film, e.g. Sydney Morning Herald, Rock and Ice, Variety, UKClimbing, by the same director of the film Sherpa, where Douglas is described a "key character" (this film also has reviews). There are also reviews for his book Regions of the Heart: The Triumph And Tragedy of Alison Hargreaves. I also found a 2017 interview with some secondary content in UKClimbing that could help develop a BLP. I think searching for reviews for each one of his books will take some time but WP:AUTHOR notability seems supported by his collective body of work subject to multiple reviews and other indications of notability. I suggest creating a BLP draft for now - I would be happy to add information from reviews and help develop the article, and articles for his books can also be split into separate articles as support per WP:NBOOK develops. Beccaynr (talk) 01:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Beccaynr Thank you so much for your assistance. Now I have the outline for the BLP draft. RPSkokie (talk) 02:14, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Beccaynr I am considering putting together a page titled "Tenzing: Hero of Everest" first. After that, later on, I shall get started on Ed Douglas' page. The purpose of contemplation: Venkat TL's words "As for books I believe at least 2 notable books are needed before an author's page can be created." at Talk:The Concept of Active Defence in China's Military Strategy. RPSkokie (talk) 13:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Tenzing: Hero of Everest clearly has WP:NBOOK support for an article, especially with the planned film, and there are reviews already found on ProQuest (if you have not yet signed up for the Wikipedia Library, I recommend it). There appears to be a lot of information related to this book, so I think it is helpful to create this article first. I have approached author BLPs in both directions, e.g. Paula Richman (book articles could be created), Susan Kingsley Kent (same), Jen Manion (book articles written first), because the notability of the books and author are supported by the sources, not the existence of separate book articles. However, I think it is ideal to create separate book articles for notable books when possible, and this is part of why I talk about my "neverending to-do list". Beccaynr (talk) 13:52, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
RPS since I dont know this author or the book, I have no opinion on the notability. Yes multiple (i.e more than one) reviews in reliable source would be needed for it to survive. Venkat TL (talk) 14:07, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adani Group

Hey User:Beccaynr, there is a similar editing incident happening at Adani Group as we once faced at Byju's. COI IPs are heavily editing the page. How should we go about dealing with them? RPSkokie (talk) 15:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi RPSkokie, I tend to ask for page protection at WP:RFPP when there is persistent disruptive editing from IPs. In the request, it may help to describe a little bit about what the disruption is, e.g. are the IPs repeatedly adding unsourced information? It can also help to first leave a template warning message on the Talk page of the IPs explaining what the problem is with their editing and asking them to stop. Beccaynr (talk) 15:54, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Beccaynr Yes, these sets of IPs repeatedly adding unsourced information and company website links. I have inserted several warning messages into their respective talk pages. But there are too many of them, and most of them are partially blocked. RPSkokie (talk) 16:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
RPSkokie, what you just wrote seems like a solid report for WP:RFPP. Sometimes it can take a few attempts to get long-lasting page protection, but it seems to be a good idea to make a request based on what has been happening. Beccaynr (talk) 16:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Beccaynr I lack the knowledge and tenacity to make my point and take the conversation forward at WP:RFPP. You witnessed that during Lalita Iyer's AfD discussion. RPSkokie (talk) 16:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I can try to make a report at WP:RFPP, although it seems that you have the best knowledge of the situation, so I encourage you to add relevant information after I make the report. As to the Lalita Iyer AfD, that article was a poorly-sourced mess when nominated and it took me a long time to find sources (and your concern about the independence of the reviews seemed reasonable to me as a general matter, and it was something I had considered when adding sources), so I thought it was a fine nomination and a good discussion, and it helped the article be further developed, which from my view, is always a good outcome at AfD. Beccaynr (talk) 17:02, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
RPSkokie, I have posted the request here, and please let me know if you have any questions. Beccaynr (talk) 17:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Beccaynr thank you. RPSkokie (talk) 03:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Improving the Giving circle article

Hi, User:Beccaynr, I noticed you created the Impact100 Wikipedia article and was curious if you'd be open to collaborating on a related article. The Giving circle article has a flag, lacks secondary sources, and has too many external links and further reading entries. I drafted a new proposed sandbox to address those issues, and others have integrated their suggestions too. I won't edit the article myself due to my COI. Would you be open to review the sandbox/ publish the content if you agree with the improvements? Appreciate any feedback or collaboration in advance.--Chefmikesf (talk) 18:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chefmikesf, that sandbox draft is impressive, and I would be happy to participate in expanding the Giving circle article. I have multiple projects that I am currently working on, and reviewing sources and making revisions will take some time, so I suggest that you also post a request for assistance at the Talk page of WikiProject Organizations in the meantime. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 19:20, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, User:Beccaynr, Thank you for your edits and suggestions thus far! I will make a post on WikiProject Organizations, though it looks like the project talk page if fairly inactive with responses. If I don't get a response on the project, when do you suggest I circle back with you?--Chefmikesf (talk) 23:47, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Chefmikesf, I also suggest that you post an edit request on the Talk page of the Giving circle article, which will draw additional attention. I have already added the Wikiproject Organizations banner to the article Talk page with a request for attention, so posting your request will help point editors to the suggested edits in your sandbox. As for following up with me, please note that your request will remain on my Talk page for awhile, and you can prevent this discussion from being archived by adding a new comment within 30 days. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 15:11, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the cookies.

It really made my day.. it is a huge learning curve and that is part of the fun.. plus running into some great folks and long time editors!Flibbertigibbets (talk)

Cheers, Flibbertigibbets, and there is a huge learning curve as well as great people here. My unsolicited advice is to keep asking questions, use edit summaries, and consider enabling navigation popups in your preferences. And once you meet the criteria, apply for access to the Wikipedia Library, which can be an excellent resource for developing gems in the rough :) Beccaynr (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Julius L. Mitchell

Could you please help me with yhis draft? FloridaArmy (talk) 23:34, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be happy to, FloridaArmy, although it may be a little bit before I get a chance to focus on it. Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 01:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diligence
Thanks for the time and effort you have taken to save the Marilyn Gayle Hoff article. I will withdraw my afd nomination. –CaroleHenson (talk) 03:26, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, CaroleHenson - between the name variations of the subject and the various databases and search engines needed to track down sources, this article has been a challenge, but well worth it! Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 03:35, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I also want to thank you for improving the article!! You made it so much better! JaneClawsten (talk) 15:56, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was a team effort, JaneClawsten, and thank you very much for creating the article :) Beccaynr (talk) 01:32, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Beccaynr and JaneClawsten, I nominated it for DYK at Template:Did you know nominations/Marilyn Gayle Hoff. SL93 (talk) 16:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Categorization of people killed the Mahsa Amini protests

I removed those pages from Category:Mahsa Amini protests because they're already in the subcategory for the victims. The parent category is getting overpopulated as it is so I think it's articles should be separated per WP:DIFFUSE. Charles Essie (talk) 05:40, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Charles Essie, the subjects have articles because they have become symbols of the ongoing protests, and received wide coverage as more than victims or people killed. The nature of the coverage is why it does not appear redundant to include them in the protest category. When reviewing the guidance from WP:DIFFUSE and thinking about the sources generally, it seems to be a non-diffusing category. I am not particularly familiar with the inner workings of the categories system, but I am familiar with the content of these articles, and it seems helpful for readers and appropriate based on the content to keep these articles in the larger category. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 05:51, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Charles Essie (talk) 06:10, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Michal Sela

continued on article Talk page

someone put a Cn tag on when she got her MSW. Since I was the one that added the info, I found the source easily only for you to remove it. The information is there, in the first paragraph. Stop removing the citation. Amd stop claiming it is unverified. It IS there. BostonMensa (talk) 06:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BostonMensa, I removed the citation because the source does not appear to be reliable, due to its inaccurate information and speculation about Sela. It is not a news source with editorial policies, and there is no indication about where the information was obtained. The source is in the article for the information it can reliably confirm, which is the She's Gone exhibit. However, it does not appear usable for other information about Sela, and I have not found a reliable source to indicate when she graduated from school, so I removed the unsourced content from the article. Please do not continue edit warring the unreliable source into the article. I think we can find a better solution if there is a better source available. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 06:44, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When you stop removing the source, I will stop reinstating it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BostonMensa (talk • contribs) 06:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Babes of Carytown

Thank you! I'd made a quick attempt to save it from A7, but your edits put it far out of reach. Star Mississippi 14:36, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, Star Mississippi - the article was brought to my attention by a comment added to an AfD you recently closed [7], and there is a little more (available via Google Scholar) that could potentially be added to a History section, but I would first like to write a BLP of the author [8], [9] of the study. Cheers again, Beccaynr (talk) 15:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh thanks, that's fascinating. I had created the stub during Pride 2021 in an effort to further catalog the Lesbian Bar Project organizations but info was thin. I don't see the overlap that the commentor did in terms of nominator/PROD, but perhaps I'm missing a name change on that. Have a great day. Star Mississippi 15:57, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Carol Leigh

On 22 November 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Carol Leigh, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 17:14, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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