Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand/Music task force

Assessment guidelines

I suppose we ought to nut out some guidelines for assessing music-importance. I'll throw my thoughts into the ring for a start:

• Although it is common to aim for a pyramid (something like 2% top, 8% high, 30% mid, 60% low), I think that in a project like this there would be nothing wrong with having mid bigger than low. Because articles on songs/albums have to cross the WP:Music hurdle to justify articles, it follows that they will have had a reasonable impact.
• Low might be more suited for, say, musicians with a NZ connection who are primarily active in another country.
• I would suggest that bands and performers are often more important than albums and songs.
• A song doing well internationally raises its importance.

dramatic (talk) 00:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

In Canada we use this as a general rules of thumb for classing ..

• Top = Main articles, and sub articles on genres and your countries main music awards article (New Zealand Music Awards)
• High = Would be the members of the countries highest civilian award Order of New Zealand and those with outstanding Internationale recognition.
• Mid = All New Zealand Music Awards winners and nominees, for groups, indivuduals, songs, albums etc...
• Low= for all the rest who have not seen any "New Zealand Music Industry" recognition.

....just info!!...Moxy (talk) 02:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello!!

Well hello there Welcome to the World of Music WikiProjects....I do many things to help Projects get started !! I make things !! like perhaps you would like a music portal!! ...I also make charts for projects like the one below ..that if you wish edit and use to your liking!! ...I and a friend also make temple's fro projects like :{{Music of Canada}} - For article pages

{{portal|Music of Canada}} - For article pages

User templates

{{Canadian music quick links}} - For user page

{{User WikiProject Music of Canada}} - For user page

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if any of this sounds like something you would like help with pls just ask!!...............Moxy (talk) 01:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

?	Use common sense. Ultimately, assume good faith on the part of others, be bold in editing because perfection is not required. See Wikipedia:Editing policy for more information. Before starting a new article! - Notability is a concern that must be adhered to. See Wikipedia:Notability (music) for more information. Need help starting a new article? See Wikipedia:Article wizard it will help you through the process of submitting a new article to Wikipedia.
I.	Use references. This is an encyclopedia, so remember to include a ==References== section listing websites, newspapers, articles, books and other sources you used to write the article. New articles and statements added to existing articles may be deleted if unreferenced or referenced poorly. See Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Cite_sources and Wikipedia:References for more information.
II.	Use proper spelling and grammar. This is a very important aspect of an article. "We want to learn editors to write proper" There are helpful guidelines in regards to styles. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (music) for more information.
III.	Use footnotes. Take advantage of the footnote ability Wikipedia has, instead of including html links inside the context include them as footnotes. See Wikipedia:Footnotes on how to use them.
IV.	Write a good lead. Be sure to write a lead that concisely summarizes the entire article into one or two paragraphs, which make sense to someone who may know nothing about the subjects in question. See Wikipedia:Lead section for more information.
V.	Stay on topic. Many articles are criticized for length; sticking to the subject matter helps eliminate this. See Wikipedia:The perfect article for more information.
VI.	Keep it simple. Remember that the average reader should be able to comprehend the erudition. Although you should use a broad vocabulary of regular, non-technical terms, do not provide such a quantity of locutions as to impel those who aspire to derive serviceable information from the article to consult a dictionary.
VII.	Use images if possible. Images enhance articles greatly, but only use them when they are necessary, and ensure that their copyright status has been specified and we are allowed to use it on Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Images

Collaboration

Without starting an official collaboration project, I suggest we put a bit of effort into Goldenhorse - a relatively prominent band whose article is quite a mess. A lot of unverified yet challengable and not very neutral material, plus irrelevancies such as all the stuff about de Palma. dramatic (talk) 05:53, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Fixed discography. If you want to help with the rewrite please see User:Adabow/Goldenhorse. Please do! Adabow (talk) 09:12, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Scope query

Should NZ radio stations (plus sub cats) fall within the scope of this project? If so, I note that they are not tagged (at least not the sample of stations that I've had a look at). Schwede66 19:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, that's a marginal one. I don't really have an inclination either way. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Adabow (talk · contribs) 19:25, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

In general I would oppose this on the grounds that it requires too much subjectivity. Tagging all radio stations would clearly be wrong: (Radio Live, Radio sport anyone?) and some music stations still have very little to do with New Zealand music. But if there is a station which has had a significant influence on New Zealand music and this is specifically discussed and sourced in the article, then a music TF tag may be appropriate. One that comes to mind is the early days of Radio Hauraki. dramatic (talk) 20:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

For clarification, I don't have an opinion either way. I was just doing some WPNZ assessment work and asked myself that question and couldn't find the answer under the heading 'scope' on the project page. Whatever you decide, I recommend that you document the conclusion on the project page. Schwede66 21:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment: Use of succession boxes in song and album articles

There is an RFC going on at WT:CHARTS#Request for comment: Use of succession boxes for songs and albums reaching number one on RIANZ charts and other charts around the world. Interested parties are encouraged to participate. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 10:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Article alerts

I've worked out how to make a category-based article alerts subscription for the politics task force of WPNZ. If you'd like a subscription for this taskforce, please let me know here and I'll repeat the steps for you. Schwede66 23:49, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

That would be great Schwede! Adabow (talk · contribs) 08:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, I discovered that it isn't working after all, I think I know what the cause is, but my queries are as yet unanswered. Schwede66 00:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok, it's working now. See the project page. If you'd like to keep a close watch of these alerts without keeping an eye on the project page itself (bot updates don't result in a watchlist notification of the project page), you can watchlist the the notification page itself. Schwede66 00:39, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

The Feelers

I've just discovered two incorrect claims in The Feelers, which kind of puts the accuracy of the whole article in doubt, especially since most edits have been performed by anons. dramatic (talk) 18:43, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Promethean Editions

I see that Promethean Editions is a Wellington company, so members of this group might want to have a look whether the company is notable. In its current form, there isn't any suggestion of notability whatsoever. Schwede66 05:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I have prodded the article. Schwede66 19:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Notability of Nature's Best Songs

Hi all, I've started adding information as I couldn't believe that Loyal by Dave Dobbyn didn't have a dedicated song page, given how important it is for NZ culture! One thing I've been wondering, are all the songs from Nature's Best (i.e. voted as important NZ songs) worthy of at least a mention. There's certainly nothing about #1 (Nature) and quite a few gaps throughout the system. In some cases the songs may just be covered by album or artist, but surely, sales aside, they have to be notable. I know it's only one voting system, but still, it's the only voting system of any clout we've ever had!

Vickytnz (talk) 17:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Loyal would certainly be notable. You establish that by finding reliable sources. I'd encourage you to write as many articles as you can, as long as you manage to properly reference everything. Schwede66 19:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Cheers, will do. NZ On Screen has recently published a lot of stuff to do with New Zealand music videos (as well as TV) which is useful in terms of notability and reliability. Vickytnz (talk) 14:33, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Separate pages for NZMAs pre-2008 and NZ #1 albums pre 1999

Are either of these options for dedicated pages? I've added in all the details for post 1980 NZMA nominees (e.g. the 2000 awards) and wonder if the pages are getting a little overloaded for the year page. Conversely should the overall page have all these details by category and show the winners/nominees per year?

Also, I note that NZ #1 singles on the RIANZ page go back to the 80s, but the albums only go back to 1999.

Just trying to figure out what I should put time into given that list stuff is pretty easy to do once the data is on Wikipedia :)

Vickytnz (talk) 12:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Vital articles

There is a discussion occuring here regarding which music articles should be deemed vital to the Wikipedia project. Your input would be appreciated. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

On The Run (OMC song)

Kia Ora, I'm making a page for a single by OMC, called On The Run. I found I could upload the non-free cover of the single if I followed a specific process, which I tried my best at- but I may have done it wrong, and it may need to be deleted. I'd appreciate some help if it gets taken down. Cheers. Aubernas (talk) 09:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:On_The_Run_(OMC_song)_cover.jpg

Can you post a link for the process that you tried to follow, Aubernas? Those files must be uploaded to Wikipedia as they are not accepted on Commons. Schwede66 16:50, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Schwede66, here is the image i tried to upload- https://www.google.com/search?q=omc+on+the+run&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiK-tCU1fDuAhXXyTgGHaomBn0Q_AUoAXoECBAQAw&biw=1366&bih=657#imgrc=twc-UwzTPNG4VM and i tried copying and pasting the non-free use rationale from this album cover- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unknown_Mortal_Orchestra_-_Multi-Love_album_cover.jpg cheers--Aubernas (talk) 10:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Aubernas, that’s all good. Where you went wrong is that you uploaded the image to Commons. You need to upload it to Wikipedia instead and then you will be fine. Schwede66 15:09, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Schwede, sorry to bother you again, but I tried filling out the form for the Wikipedia file upload wizard, and it still did not work because the upload button refused to work. Is this a common problem? Form is filled out completely. Aubernas (talk) 09:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

No trouble at all, Aubernas. I would not know, to be honest, as I wouldn't have uploaded three files to WP in a dozen years. I suggest you ask at Wikipedia:Teahouse. By the way, I've moved this discussion from the project page to this talk page. Schwede66 19:25, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Needs clean-up

Bill_Direen - Atsme 💬 📧 22:05, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Coverage of classical musicians in NZ

I was surprised to discover that there are so few NZ-based classical musicians currently listed in en:Category:New Zealand classical musicians. As one example, there is currently no article for Vesa-Matti Leppänen, who has been the Concertmaster of the NZSO for 20 years.[1]. Other well-known classical musicians without articles are the violinist Amalia Hall and the guitarist Matthew Marshall. The relatively small numbers of classical musicians with articles may perhaps indicate that for many performers there are insufficient sources to support an article, but I still think this is a significant gap, and is worth time and effort. Perhaps it warrants a campaign of some kind ? Marshelec (talk) 19:37, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I got the SOUNZ contributor ID thing done on Wikidata, but haven't had much time to figure out how to do mass imports. We have some conductors missing too, like Marc Taddei. I've been trying to get the orchestras covered, but there's surprisingly little to go on, and the Oxford History of New Zealand Music is good but only covers up to the 1980s. Happy to help though! — Jon (talk) 20:54, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know about the SOUNZ contributor ID; well done getting that established, Jonathanischoice. Thought I'd add my mate Robert Ibell to Wikidata. He's probably not notable as a musician but would have probably cleared the bar as a cycling advocate. Problem is that he stopped that latter activity in earnest about 15 years ago and therefore, there is little news coverage online about that period of his life. Schwede66 02:54, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Meltdown Records AfD

I have tried to find information about Meltdown Records, a 1980's Massey University linked record company form the 1970's without much success. If any of you have access to publications on the New Zealand music scene from that era I would appreciate it if you could take a look at the article and see if you can make any improvements otheriwse they are heading for probable deletion. NealeWellington (talk) 10:31, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Content assessment

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Content assessment#Proposal: Reclassification of Current & Future-Classes as time parameter, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. This WikiProject received this message because it currently uses "Current" and/or "Future" class(es). There is a proposal to split these two article "classes" into a new parameter "time", in order to standardise article-rating across Wikipedia (per RfC), while also allowing simultaneous usage of quality criteria and time for interest projects. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 06:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)