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Dunkirk[edit]

Moved from WP:ERRORS

Dunkirk was sold for 400,000, not 40,000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.168.155 (talk) 10:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The main page usually defers to the supporting article for disputed facts, and the article says 40,000. Google shows more sites saying 40,000 than 400,000. If you disagree, please settle it at Dunkirk and its talk page. Art LaPella 13:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok then why is it that in the 1662 page it says 400,000?Tourskin 18:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the discrepency, I recommend pulling this item off the main page. We can put it back when this is resolved. --199.71.174.100 20:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit[edit]

{{editprotected}} to add that it is also National Edge Day Jordan Payne ^T /_C 23:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That article has no inline citations, needs a thorough copyedit and is barely beyond a stub in terms of coverage of the topic. No dice I'm afraid. Skomorokh, barbarian 02:15, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Without sufficient citations and references, and saying that it is an "unofficial" holiday, makes it hard to judge how this observance has some international significance or interest. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested October 17 events[edit]

Suggested October 17 events from BBC's on this day (article quality in parentheses):

1968 – Black American athletes make a silent protest against racism at the Olympics (Class C)
I could not find a suitable article or section for the 1978 reduction of the Grey seal cull in Scotland. (quality unrated)
1980 – As part of the Holy See – United Kingdom relations a British monarch makes the first state visit to the Vatican (Start)
1989 – An earthquake hits San Francisco (Class B)
2000 – Although only four people died in the Hatfield rail crash, it exposed major shortcomings of the United Kingdom national railway infrastructure (Start)

-84user (talk) 01:35, 16 October 2010 (UTC) Meanwhile I added the 1968 and 1980 events to October 17#Events. -84user (talk) 01:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2012 notes[edit]

New articles (unused): Dmitry Kholodov (another article about the assassination a Russian journalist was just on October 7)
Omitted: Mary MacKillop
Included: Sobibor extermination camp (first appearance)
Repeats: Al Capone (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Sellafield (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Lake Burley Griffin (3rd consecutive appearance, 3 total); 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake (4th consecutive appearance, 6 total)

There are, alas, not very many events on this day in general, and most of the candidates are ineligible. —howcheng {chat} 15:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 notes[edit]

Deleted: Lufthansa Flight 181 (appears on October 13)
Omitted: Al Capone; Lake Burley Griffin; 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake
Included: Kepler's Supernova (8th appearance, last in 2010; taken from Ineligible even though it's short because we don't have very many candidates here); Yoshihiro Hattori (first appearance); Mary MacKillop (2nd appearance, last in 2011)
Repeats: Sobibor extermination camp (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 70th anniversary); Sellafield (3rd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 03:46, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2014 notes[edit]

Omitted: Sobibór extermination camp; Sellafield; Death of Yoshihiro Hattori (ineligible—maintenance); Mary MacKillop
Included: Postage stamps and postal history of Poland (first appearance); Lake Burley Griffin(4th appearance, last in 2012; 50th anniversary); 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake (7th appearance, last in 2012; 25th anniversary); Dmitry Kholodov (first appearance; 20th anniversary)
Repeats: Kepler's Supernova (2nd consecutive appearance, 9 total)

—howcheng {chat} 07:17, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 notes[edit]

New articles (unused): Burma Railway
Omitted: Lake Burley Griffin; 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake; Dmitry Kholodov
Included: Al Capone (3rd appearance, last in 2012); Willi Münzenberg (first appearance; 75th anniversary); Mary MacKillop (3rd appearance, last in 2013)
Repeats: Postage stamps and postal history of Poland (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Kepler's Supernova (3rd consecutive appearance; 10 total)

—howcheng {chat} 17:41, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 notes[edit]

Moved to Ineligible: Sellafield (maintenance)
Omitted: Al Capone; Willi Münzenberg; Mary MacKillop
Included: Burma Railway (first appearance); 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake (8th appearance, last in 2014); Rehavam Ze'evi (first appearance)
Repeats: Postage stamps and postal history of Poland (3rd consecutive appearance, 3 total); Kepler's Supernova (4th consecutive appearance; 11 total)

—howcheng {chat} 01:09, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 notes[edit]

Deleted: Sobibór extermination camp (moved to October 14)
Omitted: Postage stamps and postal history of Poland; Kepler's Supernova; Burma Railway (ineligible–maintenance); 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake (ineligible–maintenance)
Included: Battle of Neville's Cross (5th appearance, last in 2009; rescued from Ineligible); List of regicides of Charles I (first appearance); Al Capone (4th appearance, last in 2015); Lake Burley Griffin (5th appearance, last in 2014); Hatfield rail crash/Railtrack (both: first appearance); Beatrice of Falkenburg (first appearance); Herbert Howells (first appearance; 125th anniversary); Malak Hifni Nasif (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 15:47, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 notes[edit]

Moved to Ineligible: Willi Münzenberg (maintenance); Dmitry Kholodov (maintenance); Mary MacKillop (maintenance)
Omitted: Battle of Neville's Cross; List of regicides of Charles I; Al Capone; Hatfield rail crash; Beatrice of Falkenburg; Herbert Howells; Malak Hifni Nasif (ineligible—maintenance)
Included: Kepler's Supernova (12th appearance, last in 2016); Death of Yoshihiro Hattori (2nd appearance, last in 2013; rescued from Ineligible); Assassination of Rehavam Ze'evi (first appearance); Edward Hawke, 1st Baron Hawke (first appearance); Childe Hassam (first appearance); Chuka Umunna (first appearance)
Repeats: Lake Burley Griffin (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

—howcheng {chat} 17:16, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2019 notes[edit]

Deleted: Dunkirk (moved to October 27)
Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Neville's Cross (TFA for 2019); Al Capone (maintenance)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): The Open Championship
New articles (unused): Haritina Korotkevich; Natalia Goncharova
Omitted: Lake Burley Griffin; Shooting of Yoshihiro Hattori; Assassination of Rehavam Ze'evi
Included: Saratoga campaign (first appearance); London Beer Flood (first appearance); Nativity with St. Francis and St. Lawrence (first appearance)
Repeats: Kepler's Supernova (2nd consecutive appearance, 13 total); Edward Hawke, 1st Baron Hawke (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Childe Hassam (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Chuka Umunna (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

I could have sworn I had changed the births/deaths, but apparently not. —howcheng {chat} 16:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2020 notes[edit]

Moved to Ineligible: Postage stamps and postal history of Poland (maintenance); Natalia Goncharova (maintenance)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Battle of Neville's Cross
Omitted: Kepler's Supernova; Saratoga campaign (ineligible—POTD for 2020); Nativity with St. Francis and St. Lawrence; Edward Hawke, 1st Baron Hawke; Childe Hassam; Chuka Umunna
Included: The Open Championship (5th appearance, last in 2010); Lake Burley Griffin (7th appearance, last in 2018); Hatfield rail crash/Railtrack (both: 2nd appearance, last in 2017); John Scott (died 1485) (first appearance); Haritina Korotkevich (first appearance)
Repeats: London Beer Flood (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 16:58, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2021 notes[edit]

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Saratoga campaign
Omitted: London Beer Flood; The Open Championship; Lake Burley Griffin; Hatfield rail crash; John Scott (died 1485); Haritina Korotkevich
Included: Battle of Neville's Cross (6th appearance, last in 2017); List of regicides of Charles I (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Al Capone (5th appearance, last in 2017; rescued from Ineligible); 17 October affair (first appearance); Rehavam Ze'evi/Assassination of Rehavam Ze'evi (RZ: first appearance; Assassination: 2nd, last in 2018); Jupiter Hammon (first appearance); Raffaele Bendandi (first appearance); Micheline Ostermeyer (first appearance; 20th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 16:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]