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Teriitaria II[edit]

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I am nominating this article for A-Class review because this is an extremely influential figure in French Polynesian history. She defeated a French invasion force in the Franco-Tahitian War and indirectly secured the independence of the Leeward Islands and the French protectorate of Tahiti (instead of outright annexation) for four decades after her victory.KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:42, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • File:Painting_of_Teriitaria_Ariipaea.jpg needs a US PD tag. Same with File:The_Cession_of_the_District_of_Matavai_in_the_Island_of_Otaheite_to_Captain_James_Wilson_for_the_use_of_the_Missionaries_Sent_Thither_by_that_Society_in_the_Ship_Duff,_by_Robert_Smirke.jpg, File:Raveae_saves_his_life_from_the_idolaters.jpg, File:Femmes_de_L'Isle_Taïti._(Isles_de_la_Sociéte)_1._Po-maré_Vahiné,_régente._2._Téré-moémoé,_veuve_de_Po-maré_II_(cropped).jpg, File:Queen_Teriitaria,_drawing_by_H._B._Martin,_retouched.jpg, File:Edward_Gennys_Fanshawe,_Teriitaria_or_Ariapaia_(Teri’i_tari’a_II_Ari’i_paea),_Queen_of_Huahine,_Augt_30th_1849_(Society_Islands).jpg. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
None of these images were published in the US though except for Ellis's image which was from one of his editions published in New York. The others were made in Europe or Australia. I added {{PD-Art|PD-old-100-expired}} to these based on a similar image from a past review. KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

KAVEBEAR and Nikkimaria, is this finished? Векочел (talk) 13:19, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:19, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Векочел: To clarify, I believe Nikki is just saying that her image review is finished, not that the A-class review for this article is finished (as a whole process). I notice that you attempted to promote the article to A-class with this edit: [1], which I assume was based on Nikki's response? While I appreciate you were just trying to be efficient in your co-ord duties, I have reverted this closure now, as this is not the correct process to follow (and the code you used would not allow Milhistbot to process the closure anyway). For an article to pass Milhist ACR it needs at least three explicit supports, as well as successful image and source reviews per WP:MHR. At this stage, the article has only had a single image review, so there is still a long way for it to progress. If you have further queries or concerns about processing A-class reviews, please ask your fellow co-ords at WP:MHCOORD. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 05:45, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by AustralianRupert: G'day, Kavebear, I found this difficult to review as my lack of understanding of local names caused me some difficulties keeping all the key players and locations straight in my head. Apologies if I miss anything because of this. Anyway, I have the following comments/suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 06:58, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • there are no dab links and the ext links all work (no action required)
  • Raiatea and the temple complex of Taputapuatea marae at Opoa was considered... "were considered"?
  • Changed
  • Papeete appears to be overlinked
  • Removed excess links.
  • For ease of understanding, she will be referred to as Teriitaria throughout the article -- this sort of internal commentary probably should just go in a footnote, rather than in the body of the article
  • Changed
  • likely an unsuccessful infanticide -- suggest that this opinion/assessment be attributed in text
  • Leave as is for now since it wasn't a novel assessment
  • Pomare fell in love with her younger sister --> "Pomare fell in love with Teriitaria's younger sister"?
  • Changed
  • Changed
  • Described as an Amazon queen: suggest stating who described her as such here
  • From Teissier's "Teri'itaria, grande femme aux traits masculins, intrépide amazone..." From Martin's "being the most perfect type of an Amazon in the known world". I don't think it is necessary since it isn't a direct quote.
  • suggest linking wet nurse and baptized (piped to baptism)
  • Changed
  • However, later sources claimed they --> "However, according to Henry Adams they..."?
  • Changed. It was oral tradition of the rival clan of Teva written down by Henry Adams.
  • Her administration was seen as economically oppressive --> suggest stating who saw it as such
  • Changed
  • the British Navy officer --> "British naval officer" or "Royal Navy officer"?
  • Changed
  • I see a number of sentences that have upto four citations (for instance the sentence "She shared her name with her half-uncle, King Teriʻitaria I who was ruling Huahine when Cook brought the Tahitian explorer Omai back to the islands from Europe on his third voyage in 1777"), is it really necessary for so many citations for this?
  • Removed and bundled some for now. It is a growing project and it helps with remembering what sources goes with what at time.
  • "The succession becomes confusing at this point in history, and the exact details of the transition of power are hard to piece together": is this an assessment by the cited authors? If so, I'd suggest something like "The succession becomes confusing at this point in history, and historians have found the exact details of the transition of power hard to piece together"
  • Changed
  • I found some inconsistencies in terms of English variation, e.g. harbour (British) but unraveled, saber and neighboring (US)
  • Changed to British since it is a European/French topic.
  • the Queen — for a roof: unspaced emdash per WP:DASH or a spaced endash (same for the whole paragraph here)
  • @AustralianRupert: Just this one, I have no idea what you are suggesting here. I'm not too familiar with endash or dash. KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:46, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • G'day, no worries, it's a minor point and my typo above doesn't help make it clearer (apologies). I've tweaked the article for you now. Essentially, if you choose to use the longer emdash, it shouldn't have spaces around it. If you use the shorter endash, it should have a space either side. I went with the spaced endash, but please feel free to adjust if you prefer it the other way. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 04:29, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • prowess 8c personal --> "prowess & personal"?
  • Changed
  • Your changes look good, so I've added my support above. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 04:29, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Векочел

Support Comments by Maile66

  • Marriage to Pōmare II
  • under the protection of Pōmare I although he did not - probably should be a comma after "Pōmare I"
  • Change
  • saw this legacy unraveled because of internal rivalries - possibly clarify as "saw this legacy unravel" or "saw that this legacy unraveled"
  • Change
  • fled into exile to his possessions on the neighbouring island - are these possessions territory, or material items?
  • Territorial possessions
  • The union remained childless since both were followers of - clarification. The first sentence should be about the childless marriage, and the second sentence about her death.
  • Change
  • During the absence of the miss. who had gone to the - is there something missing between "miss." and the next word?
  • It is an abbreviation of missionaries since it is a quote. I won't change it.
  • Her sister Teremoemoe had three children with him - Somewhat contradictory to the explanation of the childlessness of his first marriage, but possibly due to the influence of the Christian missionaries??
  • Also Tahitian chiefs eventually have to reproduce children to take their place as successors. Membership in the Arioi seems to be temporary and not lifelong. Pomare I and his wife Itia were Arioi until Pomare II's birth. The birth of ari'i children unlike in Hawaii demotes the status of the parents which is why Pomare I abdicate symbolically to his son and why Pomare II's grandfather Teu was still living until 1802. Really more of a topic for the Arioi article or for Pomare I's expansion since the order didn't really impact Teriitaria's marriage to Pomare II.
  • Battles for Christianity
  • Described as an Amazon queen - perhaps link to Amazons, if that was your meaning.
  • Linked

Regent of Tahiti

  • British missionaries opposed this since the British had no formal treaties - could use a comma between "this" and "since"
  • Changed "since" to "because"
  • with the pork trade and ignored acts of piracy - should there be a comma after "trade"?
  • Changed
  • Ruler of Huahine
  • She wrote a letter to Queen Victoria, dated to 3 February 1847 - don't need for the word "to" in that sentence
  • Changed
  • Deposition
  • Just a question as to whether or not it is known what happened to her body after she died? Burial, entombment, cremation?
  • @Maile66: No idea. I haven't been able to find much details about her death either besides she died in Papeete by the sides of her relatives. I assume she is buried at the Pōmare Royal Cemetery, Papaʻoa, ʻArue, but that is just speculation. KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:33, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @KAVEBEAR: Thank you for the changes and explanations. I've given this my Support. — Maile (talk) 19:36, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is this enough for promotion? @Hawkeye7 and AustralianRupert: KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:46, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

G'day, it looks like it is almost there, IMO assuming Gog is happy with your responses, but I will have to leave the decision to one of the co-ords. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 07:49, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

  • In "References" several "p." should be 'pp.', and vice versa.
  • Fixed.
  • Davies: are you sure about that ISBN? They didn't exist in 1961.
  • Fixed.
  • Is there a reason why the cite to the 1846 Evangelical Magazine and Missionary Chronicle does not give the publisher nor the publisher location?
  • Fixed.
  • Cuzent: Could you specify the language. Similarly for any other non-English language sources.
  • Fixed.
  • Moerenhout and Borden: the title of the work should be in title case. As should Mortimer. There may be others.
  • What do you mean by "title of the work should be in title case"
@Hog the Mild: Can you specify what you mean here?KAVEBEAR (talk) 15
  • 05, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Newbury 1956 should be formatted 'cite thesis', not "cite journal", and use '|type=PhD thesis'.
  • Changed.

More to follow. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:50, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Re Gonschor: note WP:SCHOLARSHIP, 3rd bullet point. Especially "Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence." Gog the Mild (talk) 00:10, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How do you prove significant scholarly influence? Gonschor's is the only source on a lot of these information regarding the 1850s transition unless I cite his primary sources myself. Removing it will leave giant holes in the narrative. Gonschor himself is a recently published author. His 2019 book "A Power in the World: The Hawaiian Kingdom in Oceania" cites this thesis and the thesis is also cited in "A Nation Rising: Hawaiian Movements for Life, Land, and Sovereignty" by Noelani Goodyear-Kaopua, Ikaika Hussey, Erin Kahunawaika'ala Wright[2].

Other citations:

  • "Sodomy Laws and Gender Variance in Tahiti and Hawai‘i" by Aleardo Zanghellini
  • "Remembrance of the Colonial Past in the French Islands of the Pacific: Speeches, Representations, and Commemorations" by Bruno Saura
  • "Rapanui and Chile, a debate on self-determination: a notional and legal basis for the political decolonisation of Easter Island", MA thesis by Rodrigo A. Gómez
  • "The Color of Nationality: Continuities and Discontinuities of Citizenship in Hawaiʻi", PhD thesis by Willy Daniel Kaipo Kauai.
  • Introduction to the Law of Community Care in England and Wales by Alan Robinson
  • « Négocier les interdépendances » : autonomie, action politique et identité au Henua ‘Enana by Pascal-Olivier Pereira de Grandmont??
  • https://www.epfl.ch/labs/far/wp-content/uploads/03-Governance.pdf

KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:18, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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