Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Cape Hermaeum

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Battle of Cape Hermaeum

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A major battle of the First Punic War: Rome's biggest naval victory of the war; swiftly followed by its worst ever maritime disaster. Yet the primary sources say very little about either. I have, I think, extracted everything there is about it and offer it for your consideration. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:29, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Comments by JennyOz

Hi Gog,

• infobox - other spelling (Hermaea) intentional?

No. Typo. Thanks. Fixed.

• "Cape Bon" and "Cape Bon Peninsula" - link same, I felt cheated

Oops. Fixed.

• Battle of the Aegates, the final battle of the war, fought fourteen years later - thirteen?

I never could count backwards. Corrected.

• The Romans had had little naval experience - is this a case where 1 x "had" says same thing?

Amended.

• previously felt the need - "felt" a bit iffy, maybe 'considered'

Changed to a simple 'needed'.

• of being rammed oneself. - itself?

"oneself" (I think), because the sentence starts "Ideally one would attack ..." I could rephrase as 'Ideally a galley would attack an enemy ship from its side or rear, thus avoiding the possibility of being rammed itself'?

• grapple - wlink Grappling hook? (pity that page doesn't mention the corvus, hint, hint.)

You have lost me Jenny. "grapple" here has nothing to do with grappling hooks. I am explaining, as briefly as I can get away with, but am happy to go into as much detail as you wish, how the corvus works: and it is by allowing a Roman ship to grapple an opposing one. As in Wiktionary's first definition - "To seize something and hold it firmly".

• approximately 26,000 picked legionaries - wlink

Done.

• Hanno the Great - wlink?

D'oh! Again. Done.

• superior ship handling skills - hyphen

Inserted

• only 16 km (10 mi) from Carthage - the other conversions spell out the metric

The MoS says to give in full at first use and abbreviate thereafter.

• They proceeded directly to Sicily, making landfall at its south-west corner, then proceeded along the south coast. - proceeded x2, maybe 'They sailed direcly...'

Good thinking. Done.

• The Romans sent a fleet of 350 quinqueremes and - need to mention year 254 BC somewhere in this para to match map?

Added.

• city of Kararina - is that another spelling of Kamarina or a typo?

No two of my sources agree on the spelling, and none use Kamarina. But I have gone with the version already in use in Wikipedia.

• the friendly city of Kararina and Capo Passero - was Cape Passero not friendly too?

It's a geographical feature, so I doubt it had any views on the subject.

• 384 warships were sunk - hmm starting a sentence with 384? Maybe 'From their total of 464 of warships, 384 were sunk, ...'

Good point. Done.

• Polybius is critical of what he considers the poor judgement and poor seamanship displayed - 2 x poor, "and poor" could go?

Second "poor" removed.

• mostly on Sicily or the nearby waters - "the" unnecessary

Not in my opinion. Removing it suggests "on ... nearby waters", which, to me, is an odd construction. I would say 'on the nearby waters', hence the use of the "the".

• Sources, Casson/Champion/Casson - alpha order

Good spot. Done.

• File map caption, Apsis x2 - Aspis

Indeed. I am not sure if I wrote the caption or not, but I certainly missed that.

• add author or editor links for: Nigel Bagnall, Lionel Casson, Roger Collins, Fik Meijer, Richard Miles (historian), Jeffrey Royal, Sebastiano Tusa, Howard Hayes Scullard, Peter Jones (classicist), Brian Herbert Warmington

All done.

That'll do for now, regards, JennyOz (talk) 09:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Jenny, your usual sterling stuff. Your points addressed above. Does this also count as a source review? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:09, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Image review—pass

All images free, appropriately sourced, etc. buidhe 04:34, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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