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Non-breaking quote

In Indigo children#Relation to autism, the first line breaks in a very awkward place (as displayed on my PC, anyway). The text is attempt to "[reconceptualize]..., and the line break is immediately after the opening quotation mark, leaving it an orphan. It's not a show-stopper, but makes it terrible to read. Is there a way to force the quotation mark to stay with the next word [even if it is in square brackets]? Gronk Oz (talk) 13:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Yep: behold the awesome power of the zero-width joiner! Yunshui 雲水 13:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
The force is strong in you, Yunshui. Thank you.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:15, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
If I may... there are a couple of problems with the way this is written. First, and most importantly, the quotation is used without attribution -- who said or wrote those words? Second, if "reconceptualize" is not part of the original quotation (indicated by the brackets), then why not just move it outside of the quotation marks? That would obviate the need for Yunshui's workaround. Powers T 13:21, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
@Gronk Oz: Ahem ... I think the correct quote would be "The force is strong with you, Yunshui." :) - w.carter-Talk 13:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC) , (resident Star Wars Besserwisser)
LtPowers - there are so many problems with that article that it scares me. The thought of just touching it makes me feel like my mother would be ashamed of me. But I saw that hanging quote mark, and it haunted me. Now that it's fixed I can move on, but if you have a stronger stomach then please feel free to fix it as you see fit.
W.carter - of course you're right; do I get any dispensation because it is 1am here?--Gronk Oz (talk) 14:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Of course my young Padawan, you are not a Jedi yet. w.carter-Talk 14:07, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

How can I improve the notability of my references?

Hello, I am actively trying to improve the notability of my article and was wondering if anyone has any useful tips to share. I've gone through and read the notability and verifiability guidelines, removing PDFs, press releases, and citing other sources who have written about my subject. Do I need to find more references? I currently have 8. I'm still getting the hang of Wikipedia so any guidance would be greatly appreciated! Warmest regards, Ronajeanc (talk) 16:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi!May I know about whom are you talking about?I may help you in your research!

Komchi (Discuss with me) 20:49, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Ronajeanc. It is possible that the draft Draft:Mopro does scrape in, but because the references are bare URL's it is hard to tell, because it doesn't display the title and work/publisher clearly. Please read referencing for beginners and reformat them. Looking at the first few, the restaurant.org one appears to be a press release from Mopro, and so does not contribute to notability. The Vanity Fair one probably does count, but is not enough on its own. CSQ is a mere listing, and so does not count. The nra one is not independent of Mopro, so does not count. I am not going to go through all of them, but I hope you get the point. All of these may be valid as references for certain information, but only a substantial and independent source counts toward notability. So no, you don't necessarily have to find more references; but you do need to find more substantial and independent references (unless there are already some in the references I did not follow). --ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

what have I done wrong with the page i have created?

i have just created a page for a musician i work for. however, now i have submitted it, it says Draft: before their name. How do I take Draft: out of the title please?

Vensheira (talk) 17:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

It looks like you created two pages for the same person. I'll request the "draft" page be deleted. Onel5969 (talk) 17:32, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

new editor has questions about articles on subjects I know well

Hello Teahouse folks! I am a new editor and have found articles on several subjects I am well acquainted with from my professional life. What is the etiquette involved with changing an article on a subject I know well? What exists now seems to be very old and does not have references. Should I try to keep as much as possible of someone else's writing in the article to be respectful, or if the article really needs wholesale revision, can I change most of it? Also, if I know I do not have time to put in all the references I know exist, should I put in a few or leave it alone until I can take more time with it? Also, to start a new article, can I copy the text into my sandbox from Word? Thank you for your help!Alfhild-anthro (talk) 04:54, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Alfhid-anthro. I think the information you're looking for can be found at Wikipedia:Expert editors and Wikipedia:Editing policy. You might also want to try the Wikipedia:Tutorial to learn some basics of Wikipedia editing. Hope that helps. - Marchjuly (talk) 05:21, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Alfhild-anthro. We definitely need editors with specific areas of expertise, so thank you for your willingness to help out. Whenever you revise an article, all of your changes should be cited properly to reliable sources. If you do not have time to complete 100% of your planned changes, then complete 20% or 30%, properly cited, and return to do more when you have time. But please do not add the results of your expertise without citing reliable sources. That is contrary to our policies, and is likely to lead to disagreements with other editors.
There are many ways to write drafts. I recommend drafting articles in a Wikipedia sandbox, as that will train you to use Wikicode properly. Writing in Word doesn't give you that coding experience. The final decision is yours. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:43, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Alfhild-anthro, another thing you could/should do is to sign up to WikiProjects relevant to your interests, such as (taking a hint from your username) WP:WikiProject Anthropology, that's where you will find other editors who share your interests. Many projects have devised specific guidelines for writing about their subjects as supplements to the general guidelines. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks to all three of my responders. You all gave me helpful things to work on. Onward!100.1.205.107 (talk) 19:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

When is an article classed as an advertisement or advert-like?

I edited the page Noordwolde in order to remove promotional content. Does it still need the advert template and what are the general guidelines concerning this template?Rubbish computer (talk) 18:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi Rubbish computer, once you've removed the promotional content just go ahead and remove the tag. Only leave it on if your unsure if the remaining content is still written like an advert. In short just Be bold :) - Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 19:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Rubbish computer (talk) 19:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

How to get an article peer reveiwed?

Hello, So I recently worked an article on Kurkure and I want it to get reveiwed. Currently it is Start status but I think it can now get a better score.Please how to get it reveiwed. Thank You! Komchi (talk) 16:36, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Komchi. Questing a peer review on Wikipedia is very easy. First thing, make sure you are only submitting one article at a time per the guidelines. Second, ensure that 14 days has passed since the past peer review for your article. Third, make sure major cleanup templates are not existent on your article. Now is for how to request your review.

(Direct from Wikipedia:Peer_review/guidelines) Add {{subst:PR}} to the top of the article's talk page and save it.

Click within the notice to create a new peer review discussion page. If there is no such link in the notice, see this.

Complete the new page as instructed. Remember to note the kind of comments or contributions you want, and/or the sections of the article you think need reviewing.

Save the page with the four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your request to sign it. Your peer review will be automatically listed within an hour.

Please consider reciprocity and every time you nominate a review, respond or add to 2 other reviews, so that you won't have to wait too long before someone comments on yours.

If you have any more question after that, feel free to reply or check out Wikipedia:Peer_review/guidelines

Hope I could help you! Snowycats (talk) 19:45, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Need to contact admin, but how and which one?

How do I contact a specific admin? It has been implied I am COI and there is zero. Other users who are COI however have been identified by others and it may be backlash. I have already seen another non-COI editor attacked already after indentifying COI. The individuals in question turned out to be government employees. Should I go higher instead and if yes, how? I would like to contribute but will not stand for abuse. Thank-you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CheckersBoard (talk • contribs) 18:07, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

The COI notice is standard notice, when we have concerns that there might be a conflict of interest, which I placed on the page when this whole things started. Checkers was also provided a notice of the discussion about his/her potential COI at WP:COIN, as were others. The discussion there is mostly wrapped up, but is here: Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Ontario_Ombudsman.2FAndre_Marin.2FDavid_Paciocco. For those here, Checkers, along with a couple of new WP editors, discovered that the articles concerning the Ontario Ombudsman, Andre Marin, had been edited by members of his office, and that there was no content there about recent controversy (like a big war in social media with a local police department). So they jumped into the articles and started overloading them with all kinds of very negative content.
So:
a) they identified a problem (good thing, which we have now handled as Marin's staff have disclosed COI and stopped directly editing)
b) they over-corrected the problem, skewing NPOV and filling articles with RECENTISM (bad thing)
c) one or more of them have been tweeting about WP and the editors trying to fix the mess which is ugly, meatpuppet/canvassing behavior
d) OTRS was contacted, and an OTRS volunteer came by and stubified the articles.
Checkers is the last out of the set of 5 problem editors (2 from Marin's office, 3 advocates) to start to talk to us. So whatever folks here can do get Checkers to calm the hell down and act like a Wikipedian instead of an advocate, would be helpful. I still don't know if Checkers has any conflict as he/she has not responded at COIN and hasn't declared what interest he/she has in the subject matter. Clearly has a strong (negative) POV - may be COI, may be WP:ADVOCACY, but is a problem either way. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 19:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Adding narrative to a numbered reference

Hi, I don't know how to add an explanation/narrative instead of just citing the source using the numbered references edit mode. also, can I add both narrative and a source citation?

thanks for your help Diyamo (talk) 22:37, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Diyamo and welcome to the Teahouse and Wikipedia.
Create separate Notes and Reference footnotes like the following:
==Notes==
{{Reflist|group=notes}}
and
==References==
{{reflist}}
The procedure is described in WP:REFNEST because even explanatory notes need to cite a reliable source. It is a bit complicated. If you have trouble making it work for you, drop a note on my talk page with a link to where you want to use explanatory notes and I'll help. You can see an example in a draft I'm working on here.
I hope this is what you were looking for. DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·ʇuoɔ) WER 23:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Harassment COI

Hello, I wondering what process is in place to remove or block a harassing editor with a clear COI. An individual has insinuated that I have COI (I don't) and is clearly seems to believe being insulting, angry, changing statements, and being overly aggressive will achieve something of value both inside outside of wikipedia. It has become clear that they are embroiled in some sideshow beyond wikipedia. I would like to have them prevented from contacting me again so I can move on and speak to someone else if need be. Thank-you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CheckersBoard (talk • contribs) 13:50, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

You were given advice in response to your earlier question at #Need to contact admin, but how and which one?, so I suggest that you follow that advice. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

in articles about non-fiction books, is valid to refer them when writting about their content?

I saw an article about a non-fiction book in Wikipedia, the section Content was written relaying in only external references that talked about the book, but never refers the content of the book.

I feel that this could be my first contribution on Wikipedia since I have read that book, I want to know if that is legal for an article or you still have to relay on external sources. Shackra Sislock (talk) 09:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The general consensus for the plot of a fiction book is that the book itself is a valid source for plot information (in the same way that films are considered valid sources for their own plot). You don't usually need to cite the plot section of an article about a book; it's taken as read that the reader will assume the plot was summarised from the book's content.
This doesn't mean, however, that you can have an article about a book with no sources except the book itself - you still need reliable, third-party sources to show that the book is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. You also can't usually use the book as a source for any section other than the plot. Yunshui 雲水 10:31, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello and thank you for the reply. I was talking about a non-fiction book... I guess that "plot == content" and therefore that section specifically can be written using the book itself as a source. Please correct me if I'm assuming wrong. Shackra Sislock (talk) 18:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Got the same question. In my case it's about the goals of a social movement. The movement published a book (it's called "{name of the movement}: Defined") in which it outlines its goals. The article about the movement should probably feature a section for its goals and in there I think it's ok to reference the book in which those are outlined. --Fixuture (talk) 15:25, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

How do I start a new project in my sandbox?

I still have my old project, a biography, and I want to start A NEW ARTICLE ON A BOOK, but it seems so that any changes I make in my sandbox would look like editing for the old article. Do I have to create a new user account? HELP!! Stephanie bettancourt (talk) 15:28, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Stephanie. When your sandbox draft was moved to the article mainspace, it automatically became a redirect to the place it was moved to, Jonathan Schork. When you tried to access it, you arrive at that article and not at your sandbox because of the redirect. I've taken care of that by deleting it, so you can access it right now (and create there with a fresh slate) without any problems, but let me explain what you can do for future reference.

When you tried to access it and were redirected to Jonathan Schork, you would have seen, just below the page's title,

"(Redirected from User:Stephanie bettancourt/sandbox.)"

Clicking on that linked (blue) text would have allowed you to access your sandbox. From there you would just remove the redirect code shown there (which would have looked something like this: #REDIRECT [[Name]]) and edit away. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:46, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Question about EasyTimeline...

So I'm trying to build a timeline for the Ratchet & Clank game series article, and while I've finally managed to get the thing to display properly, when I preview it, it shows a red title on top reading "Invalid image map generated by EasyTimeline"... does it mean there's something wrong with the resolution (which is odd because it's the exact same res that it had when I copypasted the timeline from the Metroid article and it was fine there), or is it something I've missed in the syntax? I've got a copy of it saved in my sandbox right now, so if someone could take a look at it and nudge me in the right direction that would be fab. BlusterBlasterkablooie! 12:58, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey BlusterBlaster. I've got a piece of the puzzle but not the solution. Per here, these error messages come up because the syntax has a problem with the use of ampersands (&s) (and because of the topic at issue, the timeline is full of ampersands). I then found phab:T21438, and so tried replacing them with %26 but while that did eradicate the error message, the timeline was displaying with the %26's showing rather than as as ampersands, so I reverted. I'm sure someone who understands this stuff better will be along.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:16, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I think I've fixed it. There may be a more elegant solution, but I piped all uses of the percent code to the ampersand display and everything seems to be displaying and functioning okay now.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

how do i send messages to people?

How do I send messages to other people on Wiki? Goldengloveschamp (talk) 19:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi Goldengloveschamp, you can leave messages for people of their talk pages (see Help:Using talk pages) - by default people have a blue (talk) link next to their name when they post, although some people customise what their signatures look like. You can also just search (top right) for User Talk: followed by the user name. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 21:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

First part of response below was to comment now moved to its correct section. I will assume Robert McClenon would choose to delete.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

That comment, that no one has an opinion, was not constructive. There are at least three ways. The first and usual way, if your message is for a particular person, is to post to the editor's talk page. Second, if you want to send a message to all of the editors of an article, is on the article talk page. Third, if you want to send a private message to one editor, and they have enabled email, you can Email This User. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The comment was to go in the section I created underneath this one titled "Question about notability / Copied text". I should have been paying more attention, sorry for confusion. Vedasdoom (talk) 20:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

disambiguation pages and how to reference correct one!

Hi there helpful Wikipedian

I'm attempting to put a reference to the New Zealand prime minister Peter Fraser into an article. However when I write Peter Fraser it's sent to this disambiguation page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Fraser How to I write it in the editing part so the article says "Peter Fraser" but when the reader clicks on the link they get sent to this page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Fraser_(New_Zealand_politician) I know there must a simple answer but I can't find it!

Thanks in advance for help with what I know is a basic question! Ambrosia10 (talk) 17:30, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You'll find how to make links at WP:LINK. If you code it as [[Peter Fraser (New Zealand politician)|Peter Fraser]] it will render as Peter Fraser. You can do it even more simply using what is known as the "pipe trick"; [[Peter Fraser (New Zealand politician)|]] (with nothing after the pipe symbol) will similarly render as Peter Fraser. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:47, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for this. It's so simple when you know how. Appreciate the time. Best regards Ambrosia10 (talk) 17:53, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Creating a page

Hey, its HotsVeronica and i wanted to ask that, how do you create a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HotsVeronica (talk • contribs) 18:03, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

First article on wikipedia

i started an article on wikipedia founding that on the topics is missing such a domain. The fact is that the I started the article with a introduction just to be the pioneer in the topic. So beeing busy i didn t continue the article. i got a message from wikipedia with the delete proposal which i dont agree . so pls could u tell me what to do in this case ? What can I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.233.112.153 (talk) 18:36, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

As this is the only edit from the IP you are currently using, it is difficult to help without knowing the article title.
In general I would suggest:-
a) You create an account - see Wikipedia:Why create an account?
b) Once you have an account, you create articles in your WP:Sandbox, using the WP:Article wizard, or as WP:Drafts - so they are not in article space so will not be deleted because they are half finished.
If you create an account quickly, you could ask for the article to be moved to your sandbox, even if it has been deleted - Arjayay (talk) 18:46, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

What's the point?

Hello!!! What's the point of taking something up to an article's talk page? Out of all the times I've posted something on an article's talk page, and it's something that warrants a reply, nobody ever responds. Is it just me or what? I have probably posted on an article talk pages about ten times, I'd say two or three times somebody responded. Thanks, --DangerousJXD (talk) 09:48, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello DangerousJXD. Posting on article talk pages is a little like looking both ways before you cross a road. Most of the time no car will come (depending on the traffic), but sometimes it will. So looking before you cross is still better that being hit by a car. Try editing an article with much traffic and you sure will be glad you posted on the talk page before you edited. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 10:01, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
DangerousJXD, I agree with W.carter. If the article is rarely edited, and you are confident that your proposed change is an improvement and properly referenced, then just go ahead, be bold, and make the edit. Always go to the talk page if your change is reverted, and talk page discussion before editing the article is wise on highly controversial topics. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:56, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Is it okay to edit another's userbox?

I made slight style changes in FreshFruitsRule's userbox and reverted my edits later, because I thought that it might not be ok to edit somebody's else userbox. — andrybak (talk) 08:08, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello andrybak and welcome to the Teahouse. I would say it really comes down to the editor who made it. If the userbox is listed in some of the many lists of userboxes available to all Wikipedians, like Category:Userboxes or Wikipedia:Userboxes, then it is in the common space and subject to the same rules as any help page on the WP. I would say edit it, if it is an improvement, but be prepared to have your edit reverted, just like when you make other edits. If the box is just in the userspace and present only on the creators page, then a bit of caution should be observed. But as always, a little politeness has never harmed anyone. So make a suggestion for the improvement on the creators talk page if you are uncertain. Also keep in mind that by editing the userbox, you will also change it on all the userpages that has it. You might want to check how many pages it is on before you alter it. That is potentially how many editors you might piss off if you change it. Click on the text "Transclusions" next to the userbox, or the "What links here" under Tools in the left-hand column, to see how many users are using it. In this case it is used by about 120 editors. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 18:53, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The rendering of your code is browser dependent. In Firefox I see "9< 8". ╳ is lower and thinner than 9, the left half of ╳ is invisible because it's inside the curved line of 9, and the right half of ╳ sticks out to the right. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:35, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
In cases like this the best way would have been to create a picture with the "9-8" symbols on some background and insert that instead. Pictures are not (as far as I know) browser dependent. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 21:52, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit request for movie poster files

The filename for [1] is way too generic. Different versions of the file are used for a Liam Neeson film and a Bollywood film. I don't think I can do it as an IP editor. Could someone create two specific image names, then move the Liam Neeson poster into one and the Bollywood poster into the other? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.104.156 (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

"User:" in the web address of my page

Hello Tearoom indivduals,

My name and comet discoveries are mentioned on a few Wikipedia pages, but the links are red since no pages exist. I've started creating some of the pages; my first is an autobiographical page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Howard_J._Brewington Please feel free to check it out and offer comments/suggestions.

I have a quick question, however. Since ":User" is part of my web address, Wikipedia is still saying no page exists for 'Howard J. Brewington.' I've read the Wikipedia page about writing one's first article and some other FAQ pages for beginners, but I do not see a way to drop 'User.' Please help.

Look forward to hearing from you,

Howard J. Brewington

Howard J. Brewington (talk) 21:44, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Read WP:AUTOBIO. Do not create an autobiographical page. Let someone else create it for you. You have what is known as a conflict of interest. You can request an article at WP:Requested articles. You can, of course, create articles about the comets that you have discovered, if your discoveries were published in reliable sources, as I assume that they were. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:06, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello Howard J. Brewington, your user page should not be used for creating articles of any sort (least of all autobiographies as addressed in the previous answer). The user page is for presenting yourself, your intentions and you interests here at the Wikipedia. Please read Wikipedia:User pages for more information. My guess is that your current user page will soon be deleted, that is what usually happends when someone tries to use their page in this manner. Use your sandbox or a Draft page for the creation of your other articles. I have put a notice on your talk page that you should read, with more links to help pages here. Unfortunately, despite having read those "FAQ pages for beginners", you really managed start at the wrong end. Things can only improve. Best, w.carter-Talk 22:33, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Tool for seeing who is watching a page

Is there a feature or external tool for seeing which editors have a page on their watchlist? czar ⨹ 22:23, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Nevermind:

Ordinary users or administrators cannot tell what is in your watchlist, or who is watching any particular page.
— Help:Watching pages

czar ⨹ 22:33, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

need help with complicated wikitable

I didn't create this table but I'm stuck trying to fix it... I need to get rid of the two extra spaces in line 45 caused by the rowspans.... Schwarzenegger is somehow supposed to show up in the timeline halfway through Cruz Bustamante (eg 2003 in the chronological timeline) ... List of lieutenant governors of California Thanks! Wikimandia (talk) 19:42, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, welcome. After spending half an hour trying, I can't get it to fix, I agree there is quite an issue here. I'm trying to think of who I know who may be good with tables but none come to mind... EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 20:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
@EoRdE6: thank you for trying.... glad to know at least it's not just me! :-D I'm not sure if it's even possible to get it to do what it's supposed to. I checked at few of the other state's pages and the ones I saw didn't even have the overlapping governor column. Is there any other kind of expert help center? Wikimandia (talk) 22:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
My impression is User:Gadget850 is good with tables. Can't hurt to ping him.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:30, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
I don't know how stable it is across browsers but [2] looks OK in my Firefox. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: looks awesome! Works perfectly on Mac Chrome. Many thanks! Wikimandia (talk) 00:05, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
PrimeHunter, it's perfectly aligned using Opera as well as Firefox on a LinuxMint OS machine. Nice work! (as I head back to look at the code you wrote since my efforts weren't nearly as good.) DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·ʇuoɔ) WER 22:36, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

How to create a city map?

Hello, I am working on the articles related to a place called Bidar in Karnataka, India. I have noticed that there are some templates for creating maps. I was wondering if there are any templates to create map of the Indian cities. How can I work with maps/images? Anand2202 (talk) 05:26, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello Anand2202, the templates themselves do not create the maps, they simply place red dots or things like that for the location of cities etc. using coordinates, on already made maps. The parameters for this is included in the coding of most infoboxes used for places, such as {{Infobox settlement}}. If you want a map of some specific region och place you can ask at the Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop for help. Best, w.carter-Talk 22:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Introduce myself at the Teahouse

How do I do this? What is it? I have heard this said by 3 different users. Thanks in advance. –DangerousJXD (talk) 22:53, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

DangerousJXD, you introduce yourself as a guest at the Teahouse at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Guests. w.carter-Talk 23:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Fair use and copyright

Hi, I've been here for a few years now, but have never fully understood exactly how fair use works. According to Commons:Licensing, Wikimedia Commons does not accept fair use images. But what about WP:Non-free content and all of the fair use images used on Wikipedia? I would very much appreciate it if someone would explain how this works to me. Thanks! ~ Anastasia [Missionedit] (talk) 01:31, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Missionedit. Wikimedia Commons and English Wikipedia are two different websites, although they are both projects of the Wikimedia Foundation.
On Wikimedia Commons, all of the images and media files are free for use by anyone for any purpose, although proper attribution is sometimes required. Wikimedia Commons images are either copyright free (if originally published before 1923, copyright has expired), or are feely licensed under a Creative Commons license or similar.
Here on English Wikipedia, we can use any image from Commons. We can also use non-free images on a strictly limited basis. Ten acceptable examples of such use are described at WP:NFCI. Acceptable non-free images are hosted right here on English Wikipedia, not at Commons. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:41, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@Cullen328: Oh, I see now. Non-free images are contained only on Wikipedia and not the Commons. Thanks again! ~ Anastasia [Missionedit] (talk) 01:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Help needed in adding sources?

Hello,

I want to add sources for awards of a well known company. Unfortunately I can't find sources other than on their website, does it count as self-published?

Thank You Komchi (talk) 00:42, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Komchi. Yes, a company's own website is considered a self-published source in an article about that company. According to WP:SELFPUB, material from such a source can be used if "the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim". For example, the website could be used for basic facts like the date the company was founded, the city where its headquarters are located, and the name of the current CEO. In my opinion, listing awards is self-serving. How do we know that the reward is truly significant, or just industry backscratching and handed out like candy? We need coverage in independent sources to make that judgment, as I see it. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:52, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Procedure for dealing with "good faith edits"

Hello. This is not so much a question but a heads-up. An IP user, Special:Contributions/162.157.236.243 made a good faith edit to Template:Culture of Finland and broke it by mistake. I have reverted the edit, but since I am not a bureaucrat, I am not familiar with the usual procedure for remedying the mishap on the user's talk page, so hopefully someone here can do that. AnotherNewAccount (talk) 23:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi AnotherNewAccount, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think the best thing to do is to leave a friendly message on their talk page telling them about their mistake. Thanks! Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 01:58, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Multiple wikisites template

Hello, I know there is a template that can like to lots of different wikisites. I'd like to use it to replace multiple templates. An example is here Circulatory_system#External_links, instead of the two wikisites templates, I'd like to use the single grey template. Do any users know which one this is? Would be very grateful for your help! Cheers, --Tom (LT) (talk) 02:35, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Speak of the devil. Found it on the first link after this. For other users, it's {{Sister project links}}. --Tom (LT) (talk) 02:37, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Help needed in adding sources

Hello,

I want to add sources for awards of a well known company,ICICI Bank but I wanted to ask can I can I use originally published PDFs as sources or not

Thank You! Komchi (talk) 04:13, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello again, Komchi. This was discussed below, a few sections down. If the PDFs are published by the bank, then, in my opinion, the answer is "no". The awards are worthy of inclusion only if their significance has been evaluated and discussed by independent, reliable sources. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:27, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again Komchi (talk) 04:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

How to get images with no copyright violation?

Hello,

I am writing an article which lacks images.So, I wanted to ask is taking an image directly from your camera/capturing device and then publishing is the only option or what? Thank You. Komchi (talk) 22:28, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Komchi, there are thousands and thousands of pictures to choose from at the "picture library" for thte Wikipedia called Commons. You can use almost any of the free pictures there. You can read about how to use them at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial and the excellent User:Yunshui/Images for beginners. Which article is it? w.carter-Talk 22:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The article is of Kurkure(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurkure) which says it lacks an image in the talk page. Komchi (talk) 22:47, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The article now has the logo for the product, Komchi, so at least it has that one image. If you live where the product is sold, you could buy some of the product, put it in a bowl, photograph it, and then upload your photo to Wikimedia Commons. It can then be added to the article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:25, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Cullen328I have a question- Does wikimedia Commons allow you to put logos?I think they do not allow us to do so.
You are correct, in general. Most logos that involve original creative design are copyrighted and can't be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. They have to be uploaded here on Wikipedia under a "fair use rationale" for use only in one article about the company, team or product. Some simple logos that use, for example, initials in a standard font with a few non-creative graphic elements like a simple rectangle, are not eligible for copyright protection and can be uploaded to Commons. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:03, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
A couple of free logo examples are: File:Coca-Cola logo.svg is in the public domain because its copyright is expired, and File:IBM logo.svg is the public domain because it is too simple. —teb728 t c 05:31, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Refrences

How to rename the link? How many referencing is mustReena Aggarwal (talk) 06:42, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Reena Aggarwal I can help you with your references but it seems you are writing n article about yourself, is that correct? Flat Out let's discuss it 07:34, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk Page Missing

Hello, what to do if I created a new article and its talk page is missing also not getting created as just gives a message- talk page does not exist with 2012 deletion history is it Ok or something needs to be done? Thank you Optrimes (talk) 07:47, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Optrimes and welcome to the Teahouse. I added your page to the automotive project and rated it a low priority stub. Since that stuff goes on the talk page, it now has one. John from Idegon (talk) 08:03, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
@John from Idegon: Hello, that article did not had any message but this one has which gives 2012 history and missing talk page. Thank you Optrimes (talk) 08:49, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
John from Idegon, I can confirm that what Optrimes is describing also happens for me: the page Hradyesh contains his article, but Talk:Hradyesh does NOT go to the related Talk page. It says "This page has been deleted" and gives three different dates with pages with the name "Talk:Hradyesh" were deleted: 30 November 2012, 10 July 2012, and 11 March 2012. --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:14, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The logs show that the talk page is protected from creation. You'll have to ask for that protection to be lifted. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:16, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Requested unprotection to the admin who protected the talk page in 2012 at admin user talk page.- Is that correct? Thank you Optrimes (talk) 09:04, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Mental Illnesses don't have postives and negatives

Mental illnesses are a negative, and the coping with an illness is the only positive that I can think of. Please approve my changes in schizophrenia, that try to say hearing messages in your mind that is not of your own thinking, is a positive.Paul Anthony Williams 23:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Thoughtprovoke (talk · contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse Paul Anthony Williams. The place to discuss your concerns about the article is on the talk page Talk:Schizophrenia. After your change has been reverted, please discuss it, but do not simply try to reassert it. On the talk page the other editors can explain what they mean by "positive," and you can try to convince them. —teb728 t c 00:32, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The meaning is explained at Schizophrenia#Positive and negative and the link there "positive and negative (or deficit) symptoms". Wikipedia articles generally follow the common terminology of the field. The meaning of "positive" depends on the field. For example, a positive test for a disease is bad. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
@Thoughtprovoke: Hi Thoughtprovoke. In every discipline there are specialized words and phrases, terms of art, that may or may not correspond with everyday usage of the same word or phrase outside that discipline. It seems to me you are reacting to the words positive and negative here, using your everyday understanding of these words as describing, respectively, things having favorable qualities versus things having disagreeable qualities, rather than taking on another common meaning of the words, respectively, of describing things that are explicit/stated and things that have an absence of distinguishing or marked qualities, or even simply accepting that they have a defined meaning in this area of knowledge, whether you know it or not, that has developed and is used by experts as terms of art. Anyway, as with many aspects of contributing to Wikipedia, the path to an answer should be approached from the standpoint of asking "what do reliable sources say about X?" (not, "what do I happen to think about X?"). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:29, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Let make one thing very clear here. I'm the intellectual, not you. Don't attempt to tell the Wikipedia community that words positive and negative are anything but scientific words. --Fuhghettaboutit is attempting to say that the words are words of art. Just remove yourself from the conversation as your comments have no seriousness that is foundational on mental illness or seem to be funny. The user PrimeHunter is trying to make something that has already received a context to the question of weather or not a context depends on the context. positive is opposite of a negative. positives are good, negatives are bad. The idea that they are related and oppose each other does not depend on the field at all. I am asking you to remove yourself from the conversation now. An ill means that the context is negative. Both of you are illiterate and have wasted Wikipedia's place to make meaningful conversation to resolved important issues. Do not reply. Paul Anthony Williams 05:00, 5 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thoughtprovoke (talk • contribs)
(On advice, I have removed my earlier comment at this location. --Thnidu (talk) 09:18, 8 March 2015 (UTC))
If you want to call action-potential a term of art, fine. Weather or not you believe positive and negative polarity in the mind is beautiful is irrelevant. Your doctorate is in linguistics not computer science. You are commenting on my work, not the other way around. I have not attacked any one, but the aggressors interests do not substantiate their claim of aggression. And you, that's right, beginning with the word and, copying and pasting my work into a message is not scholarly or warning worthy user:Thnidu Paul Anthony Williams 19:44, 5 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thoughtprovoke (talk • contribs)
(*Note: The above reply had been mistakenly added to the wrong thread, so I moved it here (its proper thread) per WP:TPG#Fixing layout errors to make discussion easier to follow. - Marchjuly (talk) 01:41, 6 March 2015 (UTC))
Hey, professional computer science researcher here. Erdos Number of five. You're wrong. Sorry! Ironholds (talk) 04:58, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles for the stars of Studio C

Can we create individual Wikipedia articles for each of the cast members of Studio C? If not at least make the directors of the show Wikipedia articles. Tom the Bergeron (talk) 01:25, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Tom the Bergeron. The answer is nearly the same as for any other question about "may I create XXX article": if you can find substantial independent reliable sources for them, then there can be an article. This means that sources must be substantial (not just a passing mention, or a listing), reliable (published somewhere that has a reputation for fact-checking, such as a major newspaper: not iMDB, any social media sites, or most blogs), and independent (written and published by somebody unconnected with the subject - not their website, nor their relative', friend's, publisher's, agent's, employer's etc). So for each of the individual's you want to create an article about, you need to find such sources in relation to that individual. --ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Linking redirect-pages to sections in the language-panel

So let's say there's a German article on some topic but in English the same topic is just a section of another article -> should one then link this section via a redirect-page to this section in the language panel of the German article?

Or is the language panel just for linking full articles?

How is this handled (best practice)?

--Fixuture (talk) 21:06, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Fixuture. Most interlanguage links are now managed through Wikidata, which will only link pages together. But the older mechanism is still available, and may be used for sections when appropriate. See Help:Interlanguage links#Local links --ColinFine (talk) 17:25, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@ColinFine: Ok thanks. However why is the older mechanism still used then? --Fixuture (talk) 17:43, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Fixuture: the section I linked to says "The local links do however still serve some purposes:
  • They override the information that comes from Wikidata.
  • They are required in order to link to sections of articles. ...
--ColinFine (talk) 17:51, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Where do you put reference material if there is no created page?

I did some research on a notable scientist on the list of notable female scientists that need pages. I found some good sources on their awards and current projects, but I don't think it is enough to create a page yet. Since there is no talk page, where would I put references to help out someone else?

Sorry, I'm very new here and want to make sure I help out in the best ways possible. Frenchedtoasty (talk) 17:55, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Frenchedtoasty. You can put the references in a sandbox page. You can find a link to your own on the menu bar at the top of your screen. You can create as many as you need. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:04, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Non constructive IP editor problem

I removed something like 2,000 bytes from Singhik of content that served no purpose other than to promote. An IP editor added this content in the first place. Should somebody talk to them to ensure they don't make more non constructive edits? I do not know if this person fully understood the purpose of Wikipedia and I think they could have made these edits in good faith but by making these edits they reduced the quality of Wikipedia. Rubbish computer (talk) 15:42, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi Rubbish computer, I don't believe an IP editor adding most of this, most was added by Jauns in these edits. They haven't been back on since 21 November 2014 so probably wont add similar again, but you could always just leave a message on their talk page. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 16:15, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry, I didn't notice Jauns on the page history. What should I write in the talk page? Rubbish computer (talk) 16:18, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Please don't put your signature in the section heading. I have removed it, as I did on a previous occasion. Your signature goes at the end of a message, but not in the section heading. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:11, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Multiple Tags

I just finished copy editing an article and want to remove the "Copy Edit" and "Multiple Issues" tags but leave the "Orphan" tag. I have tried numerous times without success.

Here is the code:

{{Multiple issues|{{copy edit|date=December 2013}} {{Orphan|date=December 2013}} }}

How do I edit this so that the "Orphan" tag remains?

Thanks! Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

@Twofingered Typist:, remove everything except {{Orphan|date=December 2013}}. Templaytes like this are always preceded and ended by sets of double curly brackets {{ }}. {{Multiple issues}} is a container so it's the first and last sets of brackets that relate to this template. Nthep (talk) 19:56, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Citing references

Hello Teahouse folks! Despite reading Wiki style guides, I am struggling to cite references for the "WT:Articles for creation/Kostow Greenwood Architects" page. The issue is with the access date. Right now, they appear on the page as "Retrieved $1 $2." Will you please help me figure out this issue? Thank you! --Avabkeating (talk) 18:12, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

@Avabkeating:, it's a bit obscure but I think the answer about the dates is because you've added a fullstop after the date. omit this and I think you'll find the issue goes away. The software handles a terminating fullstop when it compiles the code. Nthep (talk) 19:18, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Nthep, you were spot on. Thank you so much! --Avabkeating (talk) 20:06, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Question about notability / Copied text

On the "List of Kid Nation participants" page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kid_Nation_participants) Taylor DuPriest has a link to her own page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_DuPriest), that is nearly copied word for word what is on the List of Kid Nation participants page. Stating that she was in some pageants, does this make her notable to have her own page? The page is protected. Vedasdoom (talk) 23:03, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, both. I appreciate that.2602:30A:2C89:9E50:21C:B3FF:FEB8:28C8 (talk) 23:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Does any one have any thoughts on this matter?

Is Taylor DuPriest notable to have her own page? Vedasdoom (talk) 07:10, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Does any one have an opinion on this? 120.144.42.26 (talk) 17:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Apparently no one has an opinion :( Vedasdoom (talk) 19:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Moved to correct section.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Hi Vedasdoom If you don't believe it meets notability standards you can nominate for deletion see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Frankly I see it as one of those borderline cases, and as such I wouldn't vote either way. What is much more concerning is the multiple accounts all from Melbourne that are trying to delete it, several who have only edited that article. Looks like a case bad of Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. KylieTastic (talk) 21:44, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I don't know how to nominate this article, as it is protected? Can someone else nominate it for me? Vedasdoom (talk) 23:41, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
How do I nominate a page that is protected? Vedasdoom (talk) 23:41, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Any one know the answer ?Vedasdoom (talk) 08:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes, be patient! We are all volunteers and we respond here to be helpful. It is not our day job.--ukexpat (talk) 13:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
The Taylor DuPriest page has been nominated in the past for notability, but DreamFocus, the creator of the page is removing the Proposed Deletion template. Vedasdoom (talk) 19:56, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I did not remove any proposed deletion template ever. You just made a mistake when you tried to place it, or perhaps new users with virtually no other edits can't place one. I don't know. Not sure why you created yet another new account for the sole purpose of deleting the article. Dream Focus 11:12, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
I have figured out how to put the article up for AfD.

Hopefully I have done this correctly ? Vedasdoom (talk) 06:52, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Is the creator of the page that has been nominated allowed / able to vote on weather to keep a page, or not ?

The page creator has voted to keep the page, which I see as a clear Conflict of Interest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2015_March_8#Taylor_DuPriest Vedasdoom (talk) 01:40, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Need some help meeting the golden rule for living artists.

I am trying to get more living artists on Wikipedia and really struggling with my first attempt. I'm finding it hard to meet the golden rule with reliable sources. I was told by one editor it was easy to do but for the life of me I can't seem to meet the bar. I think it's because living artists who are not a 'living master' really do not have a lot in the press but I could be missing something really simple. Any help here would be greatly appreciated. Here is my first attempt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bill_Braun_(painter) Jetcitypd (talk) 21:31, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for stopping by the Teahouse, Jetcitypd. Try approaching the article as a biography of a living person and use reliable sources and verify more of the background of the artist and look at articles of other contemporary artists. Here is a recently deseased artist - Thomas Kinkade. Since this article is assessed as a B class article, you can probably use it to help you organize your article on Bill Braun. Using the {{Infobox artist}} template will help bring your article up to an acceptable standard. Notability is key in getting your article accepted. Best Regards and come back to the Teahouse if you need more help editing.
  Bfpage |leave a message  03:36, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
There are lots of reliable references for this artist. With a little bit of research, you probably won't have a problem establishing notability. I've found lots of newspaper articles on him in just a few minutes.
  Bfpage |leave a message  03:56, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Episode names and quotes

The MOS says episode names should be in quotes. I have tried to do this for several articles about Family Guy, such as Family Guy (season 11). My edits have been reverted twice now, with the editor saying that "the quotation marks aren't really necessary". I don't want to start an edit war, but I believe I am correct in my interpretation of the MOS, and if it says to do something, it must be necessary. Is this the proper place to ask what I should do about this? Fennler (talk) 14:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Fennler, and welcome to the Teahouse. The first thing I would suggest is that instead of going back-and-forth with the other editor, reverting one another's changes, it would be more constructive to start a discussion on the Talk page for the article. This will allow both of you to explain what you think is best and why, and perhaps for other people to join that conversation. This will also avoid problems with being accused of edit-warring. I take your point about the MoS, but also I note that every example they gave was for inline mentions of the episode names, whereas the example in question is in a table. I can't see any specific guidelines covering that situation, but note that the top of the MoS allows for flexibility, saying "Use common sense in applying it; it will have occasional exceptions." So if you reach consensus about the best way to deal with this situation, perhaps the MoS could be updated to reflect it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 04:17, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
I just checked the articles for every other season of Family Guy, and all of them use quotes around the episode names (including inside the table). That might be worth mentioning in your discussion on the Talk page: unless there is a good argument to change, normal practice would be to keep it consistent.--Gronk Oz (talk) 04:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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