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April 6[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 6, 2024.

2022 abortion performed on a 10-year-old in Ohio[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#2022 abortion performed on a 10-year-old in Ohio

Complete ring[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Topological ring#Completion. signed, Rosguill talk 17:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is probably more generally explained at Topological_ring#Completion, to which I was going to redirect a new complete topological ring page. Note that there is also a Complete local ring redirect, though the article on topological rings does not currently mention local rings. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:→[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#Wikipedia:→

Igari[edit]

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The result of the discussion was setindexify as Xezbeth has done. (non-admin closure) J947 ‡ edits 19:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also Tomoka Igari. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Road test[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. signed, Rosguill talk 17:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The use of "road test" to mean "driving test" must be dialectal. It is unknown to us Brits, to which the term means something completely different. To quote Wiktionary, "A trial or practice run of a piece of equipment in its intended usage environment to check for errors before final deployment." Currently, the target doesn't even mention this sense, except for the specific literal application of it to testing of vehicles. I can see three potential options:

  • Turn this into a new article about this sense
  • Find an existing article about this sense, and redirect to it
  • Find an existing article about this sense, and turn this into a disambiguation page

— Smjg (talk) 13:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disambiguate between Driving test and Test drive, which seems to be what the nom is referring to. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think he's talking about the metaphorical use of the term. Some companies will talk about "road testing" (e.g.,) a new computer hardware product by sending it to customers (it's "where the rubber meets the road"); others will call the same process a "customer beta". In other cases, it just means playing around with the new device to see if it's all working, or traveling to meet people (to "take this show on the road") to do demos or talk to people about a new business idea. It's not necessarily about "driving" at all. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you read the article, you might have seen the following sentence: In a broader sense, "test drive" can be used to refer to the testing of anything, such as a computer program, an idea or process, a pair of shoes, etc. This is, in a word, exactly what you are talking about.
    Test drive definitely seems in need of a bit of expansion (as it stands, it's not much more than a WP:DICDEF), but it's still exactly the right article. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Lunamann: A few problems here:
    • That statement is about the term "test drive", not "road test".
    • It's just a passing mention. Someone searching for "road test" is likely to want to read about the general concept, not just find a passing mention of it.
    • That article refers to a range of things, variously by people working in the motor industry or by members of the general public. In my experience, the most common sense of "test drive" seems to be a member of the public trying out a vehicle that is already on the market with a view to possibly buying it. This is very different from a pre-market test of something.
    — Smjg (talk) 19:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That statement is about the term "test drive", not "road test"
As per WhatamIdoing's definition of "road test", the two are synonyms.
  • It's just a passing mention
It's like a quarter of the article. The thing is a stub.
  • In my experience, the most common sense of "test drive" seems to be a member of the public trying out a vehicle that is already on the market with a view to possibly buying it. This is very different from a pre-market test of something.
That's not what my experience is. I've seen "test drive" used when trying out all sorts of things, not specifically motor vehicles. See: Definition 2 (both noun and verb) on wikt:test_drive.
Which, as I noted in my previous post, has basically the same amount of information as our article. Which... hmm. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure there is much more to say about a test drive than what you'd get from a dictionary. Maybe there's an automotive industry paper somewhere that would say thing like "test driving a vehicle increases sales by X%" or "One out of every 10,000 test drives results in a stolen vehicle" or something? I don't expect that we'd find non-dictionary-definition information about non-vehicle uses of the phrase (and even if we did, I'd expect us to put that information in more specific articles, like Bathtub curve – take your new computing device out for a 'test drive' to make sure that it doesn't have some fatal factory flaw). WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...Is it plausible to dabify between a wikipedia article (Driving test) and a wiktionary article (wikt:Test drive)? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I've ever seen a single-entry dab page, with or without the {{wiktionary}} template. The usual thing to do would be to put the {{wiktionary}} template at the bottom of the regular article, e.g., {{wiktionary|driving test|roadtest}} (which will provide two links, one to each of the named Wiktionary pages). WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • As per WhatamIdoing's definition of "road test", the two are synonyms.
It isn't clear what particular bit of what WhatamIdoing has said you're referring to. Synonyms in all the various definitions, or just one of them? In any case, there is a further problem in that Test drive doesn't say this.
  • It's like a quarter of the article. The thing is a stub.
I'm not convinced that this is relevant. — Smjg (talk) 22:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Convert to DAB page, as there are two fairly-unrelated meanings, each of which has own article under a different name. DMacks (talk) 18:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm curious now: @Smjg, in your country, what do you call the part of getting a driver's license in which you prove that you can actually drive a vehicle safely? In the US, we have the "written" test (a multiple-choice test, similar to what you might see in any ordinary school classroom) and the "road" test (the part where you drive the car, and the examiner takes points off for every mistake you make). WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @WhatamIdoing: You appear to be assuming the whole world works in the same way. It doesn't. In particular:
      • It's called a driving licence here.
      • There isn't such a test taken as part of the process of getting this. You get your licence before you get behind the wheel of a vehicle in the first place.
      • That said, there is a distinction between a provisional driving licence, which is the one you get before you take to the road and allows you to drive with L plates and supervision meeting certain legal requirements, and a full driving licence, which is the one you get when you pass your test.
    But anyway, the thing we take to prove that we can actually drive a vehicle safely is called a driving test. Sometimes called a practical driving test, when the need arises to distinguish it from the theory test, but "driving test" by default means the practical test. — Smjg (talk) 19:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It sounds like your part of the world and mine work the same way, and have only minor variations in the ENGVAR we use to describe it. In the US, you get a license (which we call a learner's permit and you call a provisional license) before you get behind the wheel of a vehicle in the first place. We don't have L plates (but you can buy unofficial equivalents if you/your parents want) but direct supervision meeting certain legal requirements is mandatory, and the full license is the one you get when you pass the practical test. A "driving test" by default means the practical test here, too, as the written test doesn't actually involve "driving". WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate, phrase with multiple encyclopedic meanings. BD2412 T 03:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have rather mixed feelings about this one. Road test – to quote a different part of the Wiktionary entry than the OP selected – is "A driving test", so that's fine; it's obviously pointed at a relevant article, even if it's not the definition that the OP was personally familiar with. (That's kind of the point of redirects; if you don't know what the word means, you end up in the right place anyway.) An early version of the article attempted a dab page, and noted that the metaphorical use (in which you "drive", e.g., a new computer on a non-existent "road" to see whether it's working as expected) was slang. I'm doubtful about the viability of an article on Test drive beyond DICTDEF levels. We might well end up disambiguating between "a road test (to show that you qualify for a driver's license)" and "a road test (to see if you want to buy this vehicle)", then delete the second one as being a hopeless WP:PERMASTUB, and end up right back where we are right now. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @WhatamIdoing: This has nothing to do with "personally familiar". The term "road test" does not mean a driving test in UK English. As such, it's a confusing redirect. Furthermore, the metaphorical sense is not slang either in my experience or going by the online dictionaries I've just checked. Indeed, it is probably more commonly used than the literal sense nowadays. There seem to be at least four distinct concepts:
      1. a driving test
      2. a prospective buyer trying out a vehicle (more usually called a test drive here)
      3. the manufacturer or a third party trying out a vehicle as part of the development lifecycle, for consumer reviews, etc.
      4. the generalisation of 3 to things other than vehicles
    There ought to be an article about 4 somewhere, which a disambiguation page would surely include. The concept seems to be well-established, whether referred to by the term "road test" or not. That said, I'm struggling to lay my hands on the difference between a road test (in this sense) and a field test.... — Smjg (talk) 12:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This has nothing to do with "personally familiar". The term "road test" does not mean a driving test in UK English.
    ...So how about that fossil fuel for reciprocating piston engines equipped with spark plugs? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Smjg, there is no difference between a "road test" and a "field test" (e.g., for computer hardware). We don't have an article on that, either (field experiment is about scientific experiments done "in the field", i.e., outside of the controlled environment of the investigator's lab). WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What searches have you performed in order to establish that "We don't have an article on that, either"? Furthermore, if that's the case, it just brings us back to the first of the options I listed originally. It must be possible to write/source sufficient information about this to write about it. — Smjg (talk) 22:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Field test is a dab page; it does not list anything about a field test of the sort you would do with computer hardware.
    (Are you trying to make a WP:MUSTBESOURCES claim? I see you do software. Just because your industry uses the terms field test and road test doesn't mean that anyone's written sources containing SIGCOV about what it is, how to do it, what the effects are, etc.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:31, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Furthermore, that the Driving test sense is specific to one or two varieties of English shows that it clearly isn't the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, thus making the current redirect inappropriate. I shall add two further options to the original, which may be the best we can do:
— Smjg (talk) 22:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ottoman Bessarabia[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 15#Ottoman Bessarabia

The Province of Bessarabia[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#The Province of Bessarabia

Moldavia Province, Ottoman Empire[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#Moldavia Province, Ottoman Empire

2004 Moldovian Census[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗plicit 14:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Moldovian" is not a thing. The redirect got one view in the last 365 days [1]. It's useless. Super Ψ Dro 11:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: plausible mistake to make. Cremastra (talk) 17:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note this is unambiguous AFAICT as there was no 2004 census in Moldavia. J947 ‡ edits 19:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep If we are to have an article on the 2004 Moldovan census, then there's nothing wrong with having a redirect from the most alternative spelling. wikt:Moldovian says that spelling exists, so it is 'a thing' in English, even if some of us consider it a misspelling. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, plausible misspelling, makes sense. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Second American Civil War[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay 💬 04:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has been cited for deletion 3 times. It got deleted 3 times. Why is this still being remade? Heyallkatehere (talk) 08:12, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From what I know, the previous deletions have been of full articles. I'd keep it as a short-hand/alternative-term redirect and leave it at that. Other than that, I'd agree it's still too sensitive for a full article. Deepred6502 (talk) 10:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keeping this as a protected redirect actually discourages making a full article as well. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Also protect it so that people stop creating it. Super Ψ Dro 11:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Adding a golden lock restricting this to admin only edits seems like a good solution. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:12, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. Keep criterion 5 applies, in spite of attempts to reduce the number of links to this title contravening NOTBROKEN, R with possibilities, etc. Furthermore, the nomination is extremely misleading, if not outright incorrect. AfDs are held to a higher standard than RfDs, and the fact the previous three didcussions were AfDs is conveniently elided. Lastly, it is clear that this is, at best, a drive by nomination. One of the previous discussions cited is an April Fool's joke. The nominator either didn't bother to take five seconds to click through the evidence they are citing, or knew this and intentionally left it out of their proposal. --James (talk/contribs) 15:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This looks like a useful redirect to me. I don't understand the nominator's argument or criteria for deletion of this redirect-- to be blunt, I don't see any stated justification for deletion being given. An article being deleted has nothing to do with a redirect being useful. Fieari (talk) 06:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and protect per above. Harmless and useful. The fact that it was deleted before is irrelevant, and doesn't mean it should be deleted again. CycloneYoris talk! 08:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Wolf (Shrek)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

aside from death, this could also refer to the big bad wolf or even bloodwolf from one of the spinoff shows Okmrman (talk) 03:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Heyallkatehere (talk) 08:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Captain Prince[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could also refer to Robert Prince (captain) Okmrman (talk) 03:35, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And Ashwell Prince and Prince ǃGaoseb and many others. Just Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 22:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Calatonia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't think the city is even notable enough to even deserve a redirect. Okmrman (talk) 03:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. This also seems to be a psychotherapy method which may or may not be notable. --Lenticel (talk) 04:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Eh, a major movie's fictional location is generally prominent enough to deserve a redirect by volume of searchers. But ambiguity (not only with the psychotherapy method, which possibly deserves some en.wp content by my reckoning, but also with Catalonia) complicates matters. J947 ‡ edits 04:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, causes confusion and is imo more likely to refer to Catalonia as a misspelling than a fictional one-off location that doesn't receive focused coverage. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Amc interview with the vampire[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Amc interview with the vampire

List of Pokemon items[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No such list appears in the target. Nickps (talk) 02:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Silph Scope[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same idea as Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 29#Silphscope. Not mentioned in target. Nickps (talk) 02:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. It is a key plot item in the games but is otherwise non-notable outside of the verse. --Lenticel (talk) 04:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Lenticel, if it's a key plot item in the game, then should it be mentioned in the article? Sometimes a "not mentioned" claim means "that part of the article got blanked by a vandal" rather than "this actually doesn't belong in the article". WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, it's just a key plot item. Have you played the game? --Lenticel (talk) 09:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I know almost nothing about the game.
    Generally, though, Wikipedia articles about narrative-based games/books/films/etc. should include at least a quick mention of all key plot elements. If this is a key plot element, it should probably be mentioned in the article.
    (Also, just so you know, "not mentioned" is not actually a reason to delete a redirect. "Not mentioned" only applies when the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name per WP:RFD#DELETE #8. Key plot elements are not "novel or very obscure synonyms".) WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per precedent, bad redirect, will never be realistically discussed at the page. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As someone who HAS played the games, "key items" like the Silph Scope are more akin to plot points than anything; the Silph Scope only appears in the original Kanto games and its remakes (Pokémon_Red,_Blue,_and_Yellow, Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, and Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!). As a note, none of the aforementioned games reference this plot point in their plot summaries. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Need Not Apply[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Employment discrimination. ✗plicit 03:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are loosely-related redirects that seem unlikely to help navigation. If kept, a much better redirect target needs to be selected, because as the redirect creator @Brudelman: has pointed out: this term is a "euphemistic phrase of discriminatory practices in labor hiring", but it redirects to the much broader category of racial discrimination. Mason (talk) 02:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Employment discrimination. This simultaneously narrows the scope re:where the discrimination occurs, but also widens the scope re:the people being discriminated against. (Also, my very, very first thought was Signs (Five Man Electrical Band song), please tell me I'm not alone in that lol) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like your retarget suggestion. I think we should only retarget the punction free version. (Sorry that I can't say my first thought was Signs (Five Man Electrical Band song), but I'll definitely have to check out the song)Mason (talk) 00:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Garv Sangwan[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Garv Sangwan

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