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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 19, 2023.

Canadian Spelling Bee[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Spelling bee#Canada. (non-admin closure) Merko (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Current redirect target is a competition held from 2005 to 2012. Spelling Bee of Canada is being held since 1987, and CBC can be found using "Canadian spelling bee" to refer to the latter event here. This title should redirect to Spelling Bee of Canada instead of Canspell National Spelling Bee, with distinguish and redirect-distinguish templates in the articles fixed. I am opening this up for discussion instead of making the edits right away because maybe there was a good reason for doing it this way. Merko (talk) 18:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Spelling bee#Canada – in the absence of a competition actually named "Canadian Spelling Bee", it's probably best to redirect to a section discussing national spelling bees in Canada, without endorsing one. I would also be OK with reusing as a new disambiguation page, and would ultimately not object if the consensus was to retarget to the SBoC article.
As the creator of the redirect in question, the main reasons I can think of for targeting the Canspell bee at the time was (1) the Spelling Bee of Canada only operated in Ontario in those days (despite its longer history), whereas Canspell, with its national chain backing, actually had competitors from across Canada; and (2) my anecdotal recollection at the time was that there were regular mentions in other media referring to Canspell as the "Canadian Spelling Bee", vs. little to no publicity for the SBoC. — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 18:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Spelling bee#Canada per creator --Lenticel (talk) 00:00, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator here, I change my !vote to Retarget to Spelling bee#Canada per above comments. Merko (talk) 21:58, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Majuu[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No longer mentioned in the target. Could potentially be redirected somewhere else though. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 16:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Dark Mind[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 27#Dark Mind

Jose Alberto Rivera[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

delete per WP:XY; should have redirected to José Alberto Rivera which was recently deleted Joeykai (talk) 16:25, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A Wikipedia fork records that the deleted José Alberto Rivera article was about a baseball pitcher who worked under Houston Astros, exceedingly likely to be the same person. Even otherwise, if there are no other targets on Wikipedia, then it wouldn't be unambiguous. This redirect seems to have no relation whatsoever to the type mentioned in WP:XY, and even then it doesn't advocate for deletion outright.
That being said, the target is no longer mentioned on the article due to no longer being recruited by the team. The name is currently mentioned on Rule 5 draft results, and Pegasus World Cup Filly and Mare Turf Invitational contains a horse racer with the same name, who is absolutely not the same person as the baseball pitcher; neither seem like good targets. Randi Moth TalkContribs 19:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
to clarify, I'm suggesting the redirect Jose Alberto Rivera should be deleted as there is not clear option to redirect to per WP:XY Joeykai (talk) 16:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I'm not certain I see how WP:XY applies here, but in any case this person is no-longer (rightly or wrongly) discussed at the target or anywhere else I can find (with the above two being what I would say are passing mentions, and as pointed out not even the same person). So unless mention can be re-added this should be deleted. This would also allow for uninhibited search. A7V2 (talk) 02:27, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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List of Kirby characters redirects[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No longer mentioned in the target. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 16:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Rounded rectangle[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 1#Rounded rectangle

Citizens (Italian political party)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 00:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are there other Italian political parties named Citizen/Citizens? If not, should this be primary topic and article title? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:35, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete The party is not countrywide, but present only in Friuli Venezia Giulia. The "(Italian political party)" disambiguation would suggest that this party is active throughout the country, but it isn't so.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 22:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Plausible search term for somebody looking for this party. It does not appear that we have articles on the English Wikipedia for other Italian political parties using the name "Citizen/Citizens" ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 14:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Plausible search term. The fact that the party is not active across the whole of Italy is not a reason for deletion. en.wiki does not have any other articles on Italian political organisations under that name that it might be confused with, and redirects from less specific to more specific names are permitted: we even have {{R from less specific name}} to categorise them! Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Keep - They are an Italian political party, and there doesn't appear to be any ambiguity. Whether or not this is a better title for the article can be decided by a RM. A7V2 (talk) 02:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep redirects need not be pedantically accurate; that’s kind of the idea— an imprecise but understandable title into the precise one. Dronebogus (talk) 02:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The Yud[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Yud. Discussion of whether it is appropriate to mention the nickname at Eliezer Yudkowsky can continue on that article's talk page if desired. signed, Rosguill talk 05:56, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Improbable search term, searching "the yud" in Google does not turn up references to Yudkowsky. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 22:18, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Retarget to Yud - I actually think this is a pretty plausible search term, as this appellation is what he gets referred to on internet forums, chat rooms, etc. (particularly amongst his critics but I believe his fans use the term too). Now, I'd say the redirect isn't really needed, because everyone who uses "The Yud" knows who it refers to, except there's a good reason to abbreviate his name: for many people, Yudkowsky is pretty hard to spell. So even those who know him might prefer to type "The Yud" to find his article rather than spell out the name. Note that redirects don't need the kind of reliable sourcing that information which goes into articles need, redirects just need to be unambiguous and useful. I think this redirect meets both criteria. Fieari (talk) 05:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment it could retarget to Yud, and Yudkowsky could be indicated there -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 06:26, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I like that idea better, actually. Changing my !vote. Fieari (talk) 11:49, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
    Relisting comment: I'm unconvinced this meets the threshold for a dab entry.
    Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J947 † edits 23:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Are there reliable sources confirming that this is a nickname for Yudkowsky? If so, retarget to Yud per WP:CHEAP, mention the nickname at Eliezer Yudkowsky, and add Yudkowsky to the DAB page to aid navigation. Perhaps an unlikely search term but not an impossible one, and assuming the nickname is real, it does no harm to list Yudkowsky at the DAB page. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 17:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
    Relisting comment: The mention of The Yud has not been added to the target, and Yudkowsky has not been added to the DAB page. Basically this is a repeat of the first relist statement. Notified of the discussion at the target talk and DAB talk pages.
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  • Comment: "The Yud" certainly is a nickname for Yudkowsky and examples of use aren't hard to find, but it's used virtually exclusively on internet forums/social media not in reliable sources. Reliable sources tend to use his full name. As noted by Fieari, redirects don't have to follow only reliable sources to be helpful, however, I don't know if the same is true for additions to disambiguation pages. Regarding ambiguity, "the Yud" is not unambiguous; searching "the+Yud" without any reference to Yudkowsky brings up a number of other results, particularly references to Yodh, which is alternatively transcribed as "Yud", in relation to Hebrew and qabbalah. – Scyrme (talk) 15:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Yud, do not mention at Eliezer Yudkowsky. "The Yud" seems to me to be mostly derisive, though not as clearly as Big Yud. I would oppose mentioning it at Eliezer Yudkowsky because of that and the lack of notability. Note that both of these nicknames were added to Yud (disambiguation) during this discussion, while not specifying that they refer to Eliezer Yudkowsky. [EDIT: I have replaced those entries with Eliezer Yudkowsky.] Here is a Tweet from Yudkowsky, for what it's worth: I'm actually kind of honored that my public celebrity name seems to be "Yud". Three letters! One syllable! (25 April). [Edit: Here is another relevant Tweet of his: On the offchance you really wanted to know, basically nobody who knows me personally calls me yud. To friends I'm Eliezer. (28 September 2021).] SilverLocust (talk) 23:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Israeli ultranationalism[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. A better target may arise in the medium term. (non-admin closure) J947 † edits 03:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"ultranationalist" is a general terms that more groups than neo-zionists can lay claim to in Israel. Does not seem to be typically used to refer to this ideology in particular Rusalkii (talk) 17:29, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Doctor Clayton Forrester (The War of the Worlds)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗plicit 23:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extremely obscure character, unlikely redirect. The only Clayton Forrester I know is the one from Mystery Science Theater who shot Mike and Joel into space. Dronebogus (talk) 13:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Probably wasn't notable as an article, but as a navigational redirect it's harmless - it was mentioned in the target as a major character, which goes against your notion of it being "extremely obscure". There is no obvious reason it should be deleted outright, and an AfD of the original article there likely would have resulted in "redirect".
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:52, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Fuxk[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 27#Fuxk

Early 2023 execution of a Ukrainian prisoner of war[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. There was agreement that the title is factually incorrect for the target, but was seen as a redirect from a page move, still getting views. Jay 💬 09:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In March 2023, a video of a Ukrainian soldier being executed by Russian forces appeared. He was first identified as someone else before being recognized as Oleksandr Matsievskyi. During that period of uncertainty, this title was chosen. Further, as information appeared, it turned out Matsievskyi was killed in December 2022. And also, arguably in "early 2023" as well (March), another Ukrainian captured soldier was killed, see Beheading of Szerhij Pataki. So this redirect is problematic.

Some users may believe that Matsievskyi being killed in 2022 means this redirect would be valid for Pataki. Technically yes, but I don't expect readers to know so many details of these brutal executions, with so much conflicting info having appeared. Most readers would identify these murders with the date of the release of their videos (March 2023 and April 2023). A reader might not know what to expect when taken to "Early 2023 execution of a Ukrainian prisoner of war". Super Ψ Dro 07:45, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Perhaps retarget to Treatment of prisoners of war in the Russian invasion of Ukraine#Execution of surrendering and captured Ukrainian soldiers? Has subsections for both the executions of Szerhij Pataki and of Oleksandr Matsievskyi; mentions the dates these videos emerged; and links to our articles on both executions. AddWittyNameHere 16:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That would be just for the sake of keeping the redirect and not because it is useful or anything. I seriously doubt that a reader will decide to start their search looking for any of the two cases with the words "early 2023 execution". Such logic would then beg the question "so why was it chosen as an article title?" and I would argue that while it was still hard to search, it was the best option back then as the article already existed but the victim's identity was disputed. Also the fact that a Wikipedia article is titled a certain way will make a certain sequence of words more commonly looked up in the Internet, but that's not the case anymore. Super Ψ Dro 20:59, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It still gets 27 pageviews per day. Compared to the on average ~570 page views a day the actual article gets, that means about 1 in 21 readers of the article actually gets there through this specific redirect, which is a substantial enough portion that I'd say clearly it's useful to some people. (It's also more than the page views of all other redirects to the same page combined) AddWittyNameHere 21:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The redirect is factually wrong though as Matsievskyi died in December 2022. Super Ψ Dro 13:45, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Keep per K4, which might explain the views, despite its inaccuracy. This is too unlikely a search term for a retarget to be helpful, I feel. J947 † edits 05:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
    Relisting comment: Another go. I have notified of this discussion at the target talk page. Note that the alternate execution mentioned in the nomination was a redirect that was since deleted, however its target was Beheading of a Ukrainian prisoner of war in summer 2022.
    Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per J947. signed, Rosguill talk 05:48, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: If kept, Early 2023 execution of Ukranian prisoner of war should be restored as an incorrect WP:G7 by Prolog: For redirects created as a result of a page move, the mover must also have been the only substantive contributor to the pages before the move. Yug would have actually been the author of that redirect, as seen here. -- Tavix (talk) 23:02, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm ok with deletion of the former name / wikipage / redirect. This article has not a large footprint when moved, so it should be ok. Yug (talk) 🐲 08:54, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: although the redirect title is now factually incorrect, it was formulated based on the best information available at the time. As per WP:R#K4, the best thing to do is redirect to an article which sets the record straight. Akakievich (talk) 18:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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3rd World country with a Gucci belt[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 12:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A novel, obscure redirect that is not mentioned at the target and is unlikely to be useful. ––FormalDude (talk) 07:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Bungee bus[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 07:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Needs discussion whether this term is used. Have not seen any of this on searches / news articles. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I find nothing, and I mean absolutely not a single use of "bungee" or "bungy" to refer to an articulated vehicle. Rather, it is used by at least two companies in South Africa (e.g. ZA1 ZA2) and one in New Zealand (NZ1) which provide transport to bungee-jumping sites by bus. There's also a passing mention of a similar set-up in Rishikesh, India (IN1). But the redirect to Articulated bus is incorrect, AFAICT, and it seems an unlikely search term to be redirecting to Bungee jumping (although that's the best option if we retarget, my second choice), as entering "bungee" in the search box already has "Bungee jumping" as the first suggestion. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 13:56, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete unless someone comes up with at least a plausible reason to keep. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 07:11, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete while it certainly sounds like something someone in, I dunno, New Zealand would say, if it’s not a real term it obviously should be deleted Dronebogus (talk) 13:17, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Fukc[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 27#Fukc

Lists of Indonesian villages[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 7#Lists of Indonesian villages

Oh my god I can't believe it[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 07:16, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can't see how anyone looking for this song would type what I expect is the first line - the main page is really rather obvious, no? Even so, I can't actually vouch on wiki that this redirect is the first line...! Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 06:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete generic phrase with WP:EGG redirect Dronebogus (talk) 13:18, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Dronebogus. Veverve (talk) 15:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Oh My God (Kaiser Chiefs song) as recurring lyric in the chorus and mentioned. Add hatnote to Adele's song. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 14:50, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: I don't think a lyric warrants a disambiguating hatnote, especially when it's primarily a basic English idiom. Neither song has a unique claim to a common idiom. The ambiguity is better resolved by not having the redirect; both these songs are listed in the first page of search results anyway. If it were the title, then I could see a case for it. – Scyrme (talk) 17:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as ambiguous. I agree with Scyrme that this isn't worth disambiguating in the articles. The search engine is able to find both articles on the songs as the top two results, if someone does search for this. 192.76.8.86 (talk) 22:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Russell Fritz[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 3#Russell Fritz

Hell legion[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 07:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think I know why this title redirects to Boves (I think it was the name of his brutal Royalist military force that opposed Bolívar in the Venezuelan War of Independence), but it isn't referred to by name in the article, and plus the title could refer to many other potential subjects that are unrelated to Boves in addition to the one meaning that is connected to him. IDK what should be done, but the status quo can't stand.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  22:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. There's no mention of this term anywhere on Wikipedia and the connection is not immediately obvious. Unless someone volunteers to add a referenced mention somewhere, it's best to delete to allow uninhibited searching. – Scyrme (talk) 15:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    There's mention of it in Simón Bolívar's article referring to Boves. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:16, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Valve attachment[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 28#Valve attachment

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