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September 7[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 7, 2022.

Latina (Reykon song)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Maluma discography#As featured artist. signed, Rosguill talk 23:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Recently created, not mentioned on target page. Misleading redirect. Richhoncho (talk) 13:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I do not know if the creator Monika Helgesson is familiar with the RfD process, but after the RfD nomination, she had tried retargetting to Maluma discography where this song by Reykon has a mention, and which was reverted by the nom. Jay 💬 17:26, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:43, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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U.S. Route 60/62 in Illinois (old version)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 23:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. Route 60/62 in Illinois is already a redirect, so U.S. Route 60/62 in Illinois (old version) is completely useless. Additionally, it is not used anywhere important. Gsquaredxc (talk) 19:56, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep or move, this is a {{R from merge}} so it needs to be kept around for attribution purposes, although not necessarily at this title, which seems to have originated as part of what I'm guessing was a round robin move (performed by Anthony Appleyard, now sadly deceased). I don't have an immediate suggestion for a better title though. Thryduulf (talk) 20:17, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: It's an unambiguous, albeit weird, redirect. Having said that, the reason I am arguing for keep is significant article history. TartarTorte 20:18, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Dagnabbit Thryduulf and TartarTorte, ya'll responded before I moved the edit history to U.S. Route 60/62 in Illinois. So, you may want to either adjust your votes or WP:TROUT me, your choice! Steel1943 (talk) 20:23, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the history move Steel1943, no trout needed! I'm fine with deletion now. TartarTorte 20:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: After Steel's history merge, no need to preserve this weird redirect. TartarTorte 20:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as history concerns have been resolved. eviolite (talk) 01:01, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Car track[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Race track#Motorsport. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 20:10, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget or disambiguate. I expect this was created as a misspelling of KarTrak, which now has it's own article but was formerly covered here (c.f #Cartrak). However I think this is also a plausible search term for race track, and google also brings up results for Hot Wheels and Scalextric track, car track days and track cars (a disambig I'm about to create); finally there is Car and Track. I don't think the last two are great targets (but would be valid see alsos on a dab page) so I'm unsure what the best target is or whether this should be disambiguated. Thryduulf (talk) 19:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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My Big Fat GRSSK Wedding[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 23:20, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Latinized redirect of the stylization "My Big Fat GRΣΣK Wedding". There is no equivalent redirect containing the capital sigma — GRΣΣK mentioned below is the only one of its kind on Wikipedia — and this redirect mixes sentence case and title case in a way that the film does not. Only 1 pageview in the last 90 days, compared to 152550 for the target. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:19, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: MY BIG FAT GRΣΣK WEDDING or even My Big Fat GRΣΣK Wedding would be somewhat plausible, but the GRΣΣK to GRSSK is bizarre. It would be like having a redirect from Yatssia to Russia because one could write Яцssiа. TartarTorte 18:30, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, I have created these redirects. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:42, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • DEIETE (ΔεΙετε) per nom. I get it, the Latin S is a descendant of the Greek Σ, but this title is just...implausible. As Tartar explains above me, the Latinization of the movie's stylized title would be unlikely to be searched by readers. Regards, SONIC678 18:42, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Grssk[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 23:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Same as below, except that this was not created by Eubot. Only 10 pageviews in the last 90 days, compared to 89 for the stylized title GRΣΣK and 39920 for the target. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:14, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: It is highly implausible anyone would see Greek spelled with two sigmas instead of the two e's the search for Grssk. TartarTorte 15:09, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: "Grssk" is the Greek equivalent of Faux Cyrillic, which does have an article, or at least there's a subreddit with that name showcasing Greek letters in place of Latin letters. Still not sure where an appropriate target would be, though. HotdogPi 20:22, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If there were an aricle (and there probably should be) on Faux Greek, then this would be a pretty appropriate target. Interesting, Pyccknn targets Russian Language where it is more of a faux cyrillic rendering of Русский, but that's a bit besides the point. TartarTorte 22:00, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and Tartar. Implausible and useless. CycloneYoris talk! 20:18, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Wolf (upcoming film)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 23:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No subjects at target are "upcoming". The assumption is that this redirect formerly referred to either Wolf (2021 Indian film) or Wolf (2021 Irish-Polish film), thus why the redirect targets a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 18:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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GRSSK[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 23:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Erroneous Eubot creation based on a stylization. Only 7 pageviews in the last 90 days, compared to 89 for the stylized title GRΣΣK and 39920 for the target. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: Similar to Grssk as there is no Faux Greek target that this could be more appropriate retargeted towards and with the extreme improbability of someone seeing GRΣΣK and going Σ phonetically means S and typing in GRSSK is quite unlikely. TartarTorte 19:45, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Allentown, Pennsylva.[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 14#Allentown, Pennsylva.

War of the Worlds (upcoming TV series)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 23:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's no information about any "upcoming TV series" in the target article. I assume this redirect currently targets a disambiguation page since the target lists two TV series released in 2019, meaning that at one point, the redirect was probably ambiguous. Steel1943 (talk) 17:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Republic of the United States of America[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to United States. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 18:22, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Restore my redirect to the United States. Privybst (talk) 17:18, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep everyone can find the main US article without a redirect--but the important page on Republicanism in the United States has very good info on what a "republic" really means. This is a 2022 political issue. Rjensen (talk) 17:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If readers wanted to know what "republic" really means they would search for Republic. "Republic of" is a search for a country's title, not a search for political theory or ideology. Just because you think the article is good, helpful, and especially relevant to the current year doesn't mean it makes sense as a redirect target. Republicanism in the United States can already be found through other redirects that do make sense like American republicanism and Republicanism in the U.S., and the article itself is linked on hundreds of articles via navigation templates. It's not hard to find, it doesn't need extra help. – Scyrme (talk) 19:09, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore previous target of United States; searching the exact phrase "Republic+of+the+United+States+of+America" returns results which refer explicitly to the country not to republicanism in America. The change of target was unwarranted and unhelpful. – Scyrme (talk) 19:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore target to United States per Scyrme. Someone using this title is looking for he country not its politics. Thryduulf (talk) 19:31, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to United States per the above. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per all. The United States is a republic. Jontesta (talk) 23:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Darna (upcoming film)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. Thanks Pppery; I totally missed that. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 17:47, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Odd one here: The target is no longer upcoming and is not a film, but the redirect is a {{R with history}}. It seems that the target article's subject was originally intended to be a film, but was changed to a TV series. With that being said, I think the plan here with this review is to move without a redirect to Darna (??????? film) or something like that, but I have no idea what should be put in at "???????" in the disambiguator for the new title. I mean, the first idea that came to my head was Darna (film converted to TV series), but that's too unwieldy; is there precedence for a title and/or disambiguator like this? Steel1943 (talk) 17:14, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Per the lead of the target, a feature film [is] still planned for release after the series finale. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:43, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Pseudohiemalorachnus[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 14#Pseudohiemalorachnus

Jefferson Myrna Brind Center[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 23:18, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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What tne[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 23:18, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bizarre Eubot redirects coming from incorrect attempts to asciify the stylized title of the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete and salt all to prevent these bots from creating this nonsense again. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. No need to salt as EUbot is the only bot that has created these sorts of redirects and it hasn't edited since 2008. Thryduulf (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all as nonsense TartarTorte 16:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • What tne is it? Deletion tne! Steel1943 (talk) 17:45, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Đel€†Σ pέr πo(m) anD ªb0vē. Whγ tнē #$*! D̄ө ωΣ ζtılL πe∉ð テ[h]Ese U£elعsζ rediRe¢ts ıʃ тhєy're ʊnneceSSecªriLγ tRanslἄtions, let alone Euboテ (π)onsense? I døn't SeΣ tҺe poıNt in R(e)taĩning these ĩʃ that'ζ tҺع case. ᖇⒺפardS, SǬNIC67ტ 06:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    An appropriately zalgoesque vote for the redirects at hand. TartarTorte 12:43, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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System of government[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Actually I didn't really insist on retargeting. I just wanted to hear other opinions on my proposal. Privybst (talk) 15:44, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it is better to retarget to Political system? I assume that talk pages of redirects are generally not watched by many users, thus I open this section here. Privybst (talk) 14:10, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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∑:3[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 06:39, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in target. Note that the initial character is a summation symbol and not a capital sigma (Σ). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:06, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete with the exception of a single Urban Dictionary hit in the middle of page one, every result on the first three pages of google results for the exact phrase relates to Summation notation where an example or similar happens to include a 3 after the symbol. Thryduulf (talk) 07:55, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment What is this emoticon even supposed to be in the first place? A cat? — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 14:05, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's an uncommon variant of the cat face :3 with cat ears included; usually the ears are omitted. – Scyrme (talk) 15:45, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - A better target would be List of emoticons but it's not listed there and neither is the sigma variant. They could be added to the list if there's a reference that names it, but I suspect it's not notable enough to be listed. No redirect exists for the sigma variant Σ:3. – Scyrme (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete per Scyrme. Not a notable concept. I could maybe see a redirect to the List of emoticons, but it's not even significant enough to appear there. Jontesta (talk) 23:57, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Noitaton hsilop[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 12:15, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Previously deleted per G7 following the March 2020 RfD. New redirect does not resolve concerns raised last time. No useful results on the Internet. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:59, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • A question for any passing admins: Did the old redirect also have an "incorrect name" notice? If so, could we subject this to a G4? — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • It didn't, but it wouldn't be subject to G4 either way. G4 only applies to pages deleted as a result of the consensus of a deletion discussion but this was speedily deleted (on the request of a different author) - even though it was listed at RfD it was only there for about 90 minutes before deletion so doesn't count. Thryduulf (talk) 08:02, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: This should at the very least target Reverse Polish Notation not just Polish Notation, but RPN is more taking thins like and turning it into TartarTorte 12:59, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as an implausible search term and an incomprehensible joke that doesn't embody what Polish notation is anyway. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 14:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I can't stand the existence of WP:PANDORA, but it definitely applies here. Steel1943 (talk) 17:37, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, my stance remains unchanged in the face of the creator's "keep" comment. Steel1943 (talk) 13:59, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    ...But weak retarget to Reverse Polish notation may be okay. Steel1943 (talk) 14:02, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    ...Never mind on that. The existence of this redirect would still result in the issue I stated in my "delete" comment. Steel1943 (talk) 20:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not used, hence useless. --CiaPan (talk) 18:54, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, purely a joke and an implausible search term. eviolite (talk) 01:11, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obvious keep. Of course this is a joke, even a very old joke, but not ours. In contrast to what a few commented above, this is not an implausible search term at all. You will find hits for it in Google and even in a few publications, so people occasionally run into it in the real world possibly not "getting it" and wondering what it is, then turning to Wikipedia rightfully expecting to get an answer. If we don't have an entry point for it, we are doing them a disservice and leave them uneducated - this is against our goal to create an encyclopedia for everyone to use, old or young, smart or dumb, funny or dry. Our normal procedure for misnomers like this is to create a redirect to the correct term and tag the redirect with the special rcat {{r from misnomer|correct term}} (as we already do), so that it cannot be confused with a "proper" term. The rcat allows for automatic bot correction of the term if someone would link to it. There might be other rcats even identifying this as a genuine joke, if so we might consider adding them as well. Per our criteria for redirects WP:REDIR, this redirect cannot cause any kind of confusion as we are explicitly telling users that this is not the correct term. It will be only entered into the search box by people running into the term in the real world, and for them, it is clearing up the confusion they are under by pointing them to the correct term per WP:R#KEEP #3. This is not weaking Wikipedia as a serious encyclopedia, but strenghening it, and by deleting the redirect, we will not improve Wikipedia in the slightest, but making it less reliable. Therefore, keep.
    --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:30, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Matthiaspaul in searching for "Noitaton hsilop" -wikipedia on google, I got 14 results. Albeit, they are other people using the term, but it seems to refer to RPN and not just standard Polish Notation. I'm wavering on whether that is strong enough for a retarget to RPN from my own view, but I was wondering if you would be interested in a retarget to Reverse Polish Notation or if you want to keep at Polish Notation? TartarTorte 22:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are probably right that this is mostly used by people in the RPN camp (because that's what is actually used by calculators, not PN), but since "Noitaton hsilop" is literally "Polish notation" reversed, I think it makes more sense to link to Polish notation rather than reverse Polish notation. Both articles are crosslinked, so users will find what they are looking for either way. (If our community would prefer to link it to RPN and this would help to find a compromise I could support that as well. Either link target is better than no link target at all. But still, I think, linking to PN is better.) --Matthiaspaul (talk) 15:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Having it redirect to Polish notation defeats the point of explaining the joke; that "reverse Polish notation" is polish notation but backwards. That said, I don't think it's the job of Wikipedia to explain jokes to people (unless the joke is notable enough to have its own article, in which case the joke should be explained explicitly not implicitly using a redirect; not everyone getting redirected will get the hint or understand why the redirect exists). – Scyrme (talk) 16:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I'm convinced by Mattiaspaul's comments above. That this has been independently created twice strengthens those arguments. Thryduulf (talk) 22:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't think it's the job of an encyclopaedia to explain a low quality joke even if it is common. Puns and jokes based on rhyming slang are common, but that doesn't mean we should redirect them the articles that cover their referents. As noted by Steel1943, WP:PANDORA applies since keeping this redirect creates the expectation that Wikipedia encourages joke redirects which could be defended on the same basis (that they are common, at least in someone's opinion). This redirect has been created and deleted before, and is currently listed at WP:DAFT; it may be worth considering salting it to prevent to being remade and brought to discussion again. – Scyrme (talk) 16:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't the purpose of Wikipedia to explain jokes, but it is the purpose of Wikipedia to educate people regardless of their background, and more specifically it is the very purpose of redirects to direct people to the information they are seeking. Someone entering this term into our search box is obviously not "getting it", therefore s/he is very much in need of us (and even explicitly reaching out to us) to eliminate their confusion.
Regarding joke "quality", I do not find this joke to be very funny as well, but per WP:N it is our duty to remain neutral and not apply judgements or let personal tastes influence our editorial or infrastructural work in the project. The point is not if this joke is funny or not, but that the term might be entered into our search box by people genuinely seeking for help (and seriously - since they are obviously not aware of the fact that this was meant to be funny), and if we do not give them the information they look for it's a double loss: They remain "unenlighted" and we lose our reputation as an encyclopedia because we wasted their time and did not help (even if we could).
I could understand your "ideal world" logic if the redirect would interfere with another potential article or could be taken as a "legitimate" alternative name or show up in the index, but since it is declared as {{R from misnomer}} this does not and cannot happen - it is automatically set to be "unprintworthy" and won't show up in the index. There is absolutely nothing that could be gained by deleting the redirect, but keeping it will help those people who really need this help. And publicly brandmarking the term as a misnomer with all the power of our encyclopedic reputation will even help to ensure that it will never become accepted by larger audiences as a proper alternative term. Seeking for the highest encyclopedic standards, it is better to explicitly point out errors as errors than trying to silently ignore them as if they wouldn't exist. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:14, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Helping someone get a joke is not the function of a general encyclopaedia, which is what Wikipedia is. Someone's hypothetical confusion over not getting it is irrelevant. Helping people understand jokes is a job for sites like UrbanDictionary and KnowYourMeme. This redirect has no relevant encyclopaedic value whatsoever because it isn't even a topic, it's just the phrase "polish notation" written backwards.
Regarding the comment on quality, personal taste wasn't the point, the point was that this joke isn't especially elaborate or complicated and is overall a very minor issue that does not warrant special consideration; that is, it's no different from any other joke of its kind.
I don't know what you mean by my "ideal world" logic, because I didn't refer to any ideal world. If you mean my reference to the "job of an encyclopaedia", I wasn't talking about a hypothetical "ideal encyclopaedia", I was talking practically. Practically, that's not what an encyclopaedia does. Resources that explain phrases and discuss jokes are dictionaries and joke books, not encyclopaedias; different types of text do different types of work.
Additionally, no-one here is worried about this being taken for a proper alternative or legitimate synonym; your solution is looking for a problem that doesn't exist. The practical problem here is WP:PANDORA. – Scyrme (talk) 19:39, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is a solution to a problem that actually does exist, you are just not seeing it because you obviously use Wikipedia differently - that's not a problem, as everyone uses it in different ways, but that's why we should try hard to imagine how other users might be using it and address all of these styles so that it will be useful for everyone instead of enforcing (a personally preferred) one. In addition to guideline WP:R#KEEP #3, #5 applies as well to this redirect: "Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways."
Since its creation the redirect catched about a handful of cases where users were entering this term into the search box each month, and redirected them to the corresponding article, and it thereby actually helped those "unenlighted" users who didn't get the joke. I consider this to be a success for the project - mission accomplished - that's what makes Wikipedia great and better than traditional encyclopedias! Not pointing users to the relevant info is an indication of a major failure on our side. We often keep redirects even from rather obscure and implausible misspellings, so the threshold for keeping a redirect is very low. An unusual term, which however is even used in some books, is far beyond this threshold.
WP:PANDORA is only an essay (which does not reflect community consensus), not a guideline, and it does not apply here anyway, as what we do is to redirect from one unusual term to the proper article discussing the topic. The term happens to be meant humorously, but we are not explaining a joke and therefore we are not opening any kind of pandora's box to explain jokes. We redirect to the related article simply because the term is sometimes used in the real world and some people do not know that it is used to refer to (reverse) Polish notation by others. We would do the same if the alternative term would be (the totally humor-free) term "Xyzabc" rather than "Noitaton hsilop" because we just do what we always do: Redirect from possible input terms to the related article.
--Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:47, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I did not deny that someone might hypothetically find it useful. I said it's not Wikipedia's job to be useful in this way. Travel guides are useful, but they belong on WikiVoyage not Wikipedia. Recipes are useful, but they belong on WikiBook's Cookbook not here. Many things are useful, doesn't mean Wikipedia should do them. Usefulness is not the only relevant criterion.
Implausible misspellings should also be deleted, if they have been kept in the past that's a mistake. In-fact the guidelines state that they often qualify for speedy deletion, skipping this entire process.
That WP:PANDORA is only an essay doesn't mean it's irrelevant; it's still a valid argument. Pointing to the essay is just a helpful way to get past explaining the reasons why this is a problem, particularly why some redirects aren't "cheap".
As for but we are not explaining a joke, it's still a redirect to an article from a joke; it opens the door to redirecting similar jokes regardless of whether the redirect explains the joke. The point still stands. I referred to "explaining the joke" only as a counterargument to your defending this redirect on the basis that it helps people get the joke, which is effectively the same thing as "explaining" it - or at least that's how I interpreted what you said. Had you only argued that this joke is common enough to be worth keeping, without arguing that it might help someone get the joke, I would've omitted that point and still argued that this sets a precedent for creating joke redirects. – Scyrme (talk) 18:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete implausible search term re-created without consensus. Jontesta (talk) 23:56, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Aelfred cyning[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 02:53, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aelfred is an Old English spelling, and cyning is Old English for king, but I don't see "Aelfred cyning" used in modern English. Too implausible as a search term. MB 02:35, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep We usually keep foreign-language counterparts to names of subjects if the subject has significant connections to cultures speaking such foreign languages. Since the guy was an Old English speaker ruling over other Old English speakers, Alfred has significant-enough ties to Old English to allow his Old English name to redirect to himself. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep there are plenty of examples of "Aefred cyning" in Old English texts that someone may come across this and look for information on he was. Also per Mellohi!. Thryduulf (talk) 08:08, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep . As above and "Aelfred cyning" gets 2270 hits on Google. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:05, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 13:35, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Principal Secretary to the Prime Miniister of Canada[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:55, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible typo TartarTorte 02:00, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as an avoided double redirect if "Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister of Canada" is the formal title of the target. Such a long title, like all terms, could be plausibly mistyped by someone. I don't find it implausible to mistype "minister" with an extra i. However, if the "Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister of Canada" is not the formal title of the target, "Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister of Canada" should be removed from the target article and this redirect may be deleted. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:19, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Implausible indeed. The correctly spelled counterpart "Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister of Canada" without the double "i" already exists, and it targets the same article, so no need for keeping this one. CycloneYoris talk! 19:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, no more plausible than any other duplicated letter. -- Tavix (talk) 19:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Cartrak[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to KarTrak. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 02:01, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

KarTrak is mentioned in Automatic equipment identification. I believe "Cartrak" is more likely to be a misspelling of KarTrak, in addition, I don't think it was ever a genericized trademark. Therefore, I am proposing either Cartrak to be retargeted to KarTrak. 𝕒𝕥𝕠𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕕𝕣𝕒𝕘𝕠𝕟𝟙𝟛𝟞 🗨️ 🖊️ 01:58, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget since what the correct spelling refers to now has an article. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:24, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per above. Note I've added CarTrak to this nomination, as they should point to the same place. Thryduulf (talk) 08:11, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: See also #Car track above. Thryduulf (talk) 19:49, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Windows Pista[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:54, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An IP tagged the page for speedy deletion claiming Windows Pista is not an official Windows release and should not be redirected to Windows Vista. Windows Pista is an online game. This page serves no purpose (unless someone decides to add content soon). Procedurally relisting at RfD. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:24, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The history states this was "possibly" a pejorative nickname for Vista, but a quick Google search does support that this refers to a game. No mentions on enwiki. Delete to avoid confusion/encourage article creation about the game should it be notable. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:33, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete no references online of "Pista" being a nickname of Windows Vista. There is an online game called Windows Pista, but that is no where near notable for Wikipedia. 𝕒𝕥𝕠𝕞𝕚𝕔𝕕𝕣𝕒𝕘𝕠𝕟𝟙𝟛𝟞 🗨️ 🖊️ 01:38, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Pppery and Atomicdragon136 174.27.3.169 🗨️ 🖊️ 01:38, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as completely irrelevant to the target. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:43, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete now! 174.27.3.169 (talk) 01:45, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It will only be deleted before its been here 7 days under two circumstances: 1 - it meets a speedy deletion criterion (if it did then it would have been deleted already). 2 - per WP:SNOW, this might happen but it would require recommendations to delete from more people before that would be considered. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No. Steel1943 (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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