Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 30

November 30[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 30, 2022.

MOS:DIALECT[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. Legoktm (talk) 03:11, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:DIALECT → Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This was created, with good intentions, as a synonym for MOS:ENGVAR, but it's really not a good idea, because the word dialect implies regional, subnational language patterns, and ENGVAR is meant to operate only at a national level -- we don't, for example, recognize articles as being written in Southern US dialect. E Eng 05:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as is British English and American English are still dialects of English. "Dialect" can refer to regional varieties as well as national ones. A helpful target page to editors. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:57, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Dialect" can refer to regional varieties as well as national ones is precisely the reason MOS:DIALECT is misleading as a redirect to MOS's guideline on national varieties, because that guideline recognizes national varieties only, not regional ones. E Eng 19:15, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:24, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@EEng: Do you have a preferred outcome - would you want this deleted, or do you know of a better target? Jay 💬 08:58, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It should absolutely be deleted. I'm one of those people who hangs around MOS a lot, and participates in a lot of the discussions there, as well as discussions elsewhere that hinge on MOS and its interpretation. Tussles over varieties of English are a recurring headache, and the last thing we need is anything that promotes confusion over how those are treated on Wikipedia i.e. national varieties of English are recognized, but not regional ones. The word dialect simply carries too much potential connotation of the latter, and thus promotes confusion. I understand that the editor who created this redir meant well, by creating a redir that seems mnemonic, but it reminds people of the wrong concept, so it's going to hurt not help. E Eng 18:57, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 19:59, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I very much get PerfectSoundWhatever's argument, and appreciate it, but I think that the potential confusion introduced by this redirect is more harmful than the potential benefit from it. I think EEng's argument about MOS:DIALECT implying that MOS:ENGVAR applies to regional dialects is a strong one. TartarTorte 20:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and above. Potentially confusing and sort of misleading. I concur that the nom's argument is awfully convincing. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:37, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Agricultura[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy keep. Withdrawn. I somehow missed the section that specifically mentioned the target. I legitimately don't know what WP:BEFORE I did here that I somehow missed that, but it's troutable. (non-admin closure) TartarTorte 14:40, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agricultura → Agriculture (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Initial reason for deletion proposal: this is WP:RLOTE as there is no inherent connection between latin and agriculture. Looking at the article history, this is very weird and seemingly was supposed to be moved to wiktionary in 2005 at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Agricultura, but it's unclear what happened. TartarTorte 19:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Refine to Agriculture#Etymology and scope, where the origin of the word "agriculture" is described, and how it stems from the Latin "agricultūra". So, there actually is a connection between Latin and agriculture, contrary to what the nom states. CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Wavedashing[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:46, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wavedashing → Super Smash Bros. in esports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target article. This redirect previously targeted Bunny hopping#Wave, but then that section was removed and then Bunny hopping was subject to a WP:BLAR to Strafe-jumping#Bunny hopping (but it's not mentioned there either) via this edit in 2016. Steel1943 (talk) 19:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as obscure, and no suitable target. The page history of Bunny hopping mentions air-dodging in the context of wavedashing, but there is no article that mentions that term aither. Jay 💬 20:04, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Angle (battle)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 7#Angle (battle)

Explode(song)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 19:53, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Explode(song) → Explosion (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete per WP:RDAB. The properly spaced variant, Explode (song), exists and targets the same target as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 18:37, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete due to malformed modifier --Lenticel ^(talk) 04:01, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the Nelly Furtado song was at the title for about 3 minutes in 2006 when created and someone also also later created the article here but there doesn't appear to be any content needing keeping as there was little content here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:38, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Dominant language[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 8#Dominant language

County sheriff[edit]

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The result of the discussion was target all to Sheriff. Jay 💬 09:31, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

County sheriff → Sheriffs in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
County Sheriff → Sheriff (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
County Sheriffs → Sheriff (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Should all target the same target ... Not sure which one though. Steel1943 (talk) 07:42, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget County sheriff to Sheriff and keep the other two. Sheriffs in England and Ireland are also based on counties, so the broader article is the more appropriate target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:17, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 09:12, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Target all to Sheriff per Presidentman. A7V2 (talk) 00:28, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Deputy sheriff[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 December 9#Deputy sheriff

Horizon (IT system)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Legoktm (talk) 03:13, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Horizon (IT system) → British Post Office scandal#Horizon computer system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect may be either ambiguous or unclear, but not sure which one (if any). For one, there could be subjects mentioned at Horizon (disambiguation)#Computers and computer science which could be referred to as an "IT system", but I'm not sure. For two, in my time and experience with redirect maintenance, this is the first time I've ever seen the disambiguator "IT system", so I'm not sure if it's meant to represent anything specific that could not also be called "software". However, this redirect does have incoming links that specifically refer to the subject identified by the target of this redirect. So, all in all ... not sure which is the best course here ("retarget to Horizon (disambiguation)#Computers and computer science", "keep", "delete"). Steel1943 (talk) 00:49, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This depends if (IT system) will ever be a useful disambiguator. Horizon IT system may be more appropriate for a redirect. No other notable Horizon IT systems to disambiguate. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 01:33, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:40, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Retarget to Horizon (disambiguation)#Computers and computer science; the current disambiguator could IMO also apply to Nintendo Switch system software. Leaning toward deletion as both ambiguous and nonstandard, but also fine with a retarget. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:23, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more go…
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:32, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as unclear disambiguating term per all. I have removed the 11 incoming links. Unlinked some of them as redundant, and piped others to other redirects to the scandal target: Post Office Horizon IT, Bates & Ors v Post Office Ltd, Justice for Sub-postmasters Alliance, British Post Office false convictions scandal, British postmasters scandal, Horizon IT scandal, and The Great British Post Office Scandal. Jay 💬 08:40, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. As an uncommon disambiguator; and now that the incoming links were removed, there seems to be no reason for keeping. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:24, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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2022 congress election[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Multiple opinions and suggestions but no clear agreement on what to do here; and the fact that there was no participation after the second relist made me unsure of relisting for a third time. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 congress election → 2022 Indian National Congress presidential election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Indian was not the only place with congressional elections in 2022. With the capitalization, it is not clear this means National Congress which is still ambiguous. Delete as too vague. MB 02:47, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as ambiguous. This could easily refer to the recent U.S. midterms, which would actually be the more likely target IMO. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:55, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to List of elections in 2022 per A7V2. This seems like a sensible way to resolve the ambiguity. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:40, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Retarget to List of elections in 2022 where whatever someone searching this was looking for will be at most a few clicks away.~~ A7V2 (talk) 23:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Striking, see below. A7V2 (talk) 01:40, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to List of elections in 2022 per A7V2 and Presidentman. There are definitely congress elections on that list, for which there's no clear primary topic. Regards, SONIC⁶⁷⁸ 15:23, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose retarget to List of elections in 2022 which does not mention a congress election, and makes it harder than a single-click to reach the current target. Keep, or Disambiguate with the U.S. midterms or others, or Delete if there are too many to list. Note that Indian National Congress is an entry at Congress (disambiguation) and the redirect title can have just "congress" and not necessarily "National Congress". Jay 💬 02:42, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:41, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This should not make me go to Indian election when there are other congress elections, like the 2022 midterms. It might be better to make this go to the page on the midterms, since US congress elections are more important for the world.Ghost of Kiev (talk) 17:03, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to List of elections in 2022. I'm not convinced by Jay's argument here; a disambiguation page being created would largely end up being redundant to the existing list. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:23, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget or disambiguation, could confuse readers looking for U.S congress. AllanWiki123 07:51, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: To me, congress vs. congressional is a big difference here. I can't really seem to find as much that refer to the midterms as "Congress elections" as opposed to "Congressional elections". The use of Congress to me is enough of WP:SMALLDETAILS for me to argue that this is specifically about the INC's party elections and not an election to a congress. I oppose retargeting to List of elections in 2022 as that does not have any information about the INC election including via navigating as 2022 elections in India does not link to this as it's not an election run by the Election Commission of India, but instead is run by an internal INC election authority. In short, keep per WP:SMALLDETAILS. TartarTorte 14:40, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Switching to disambiguate per Jay. I clearly misunderstood something or other here as I was mixing up the 2022 Indian National Congress presidential election with a parliamentary election (though there was none in 2022 and the Indian parliament isn't called the National Congress...). I think this is a reasonable enough search term, however. I would include the US midterms and the 2022 Philippine general election, and a link to List of elections in 2022 (perhaps in "see also") since I still think this is a plausible search term for some election given congress might be used as a generic term. A7V2 (talk) 01:40, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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En bee ay[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 02:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

En bee ay → National Basketball Association (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Who calls it "En bee ay"? This kind of redirect is absolutely unnecessary. 747pilot (talk) 01:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Phonetic sleeping of the initialism. Doesn't mean it should exist. oknazevad (talk) 02:15, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I don't love invoking WP:PANDORA here, but we do not want to set the precedent to allow redirects like En aitch el, Ef i a, or even things outside the sports realm like A a ar pee or O a pee. It just seems like they're of highly limited utility as they require knowing how letters are traditionally spelled; however, this redirect spells "a" as "ay" as opposed to "a" which is not as standard, making this very implausible in my eyes. TartarTorte 14:26, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as implausible synonym at best --Lenticel ^(talk) 04:02, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is a ludicrous redirect. Here are just a few of this type of abbreviations, which are not and never have been redirects:

MightyArms (talk) 05:14, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - searching for "en bee ay -wikipedia" doesn't turn up any usage anywhere. It seems as though "en bee aye" may refer to a couple of probably non-notable things but none are actually the NBA but rather plays on words. A7V2 (talk) 00:32, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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