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February 23[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 23, 2022.

Heliogabale[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix (talk) 21:59, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RLOTE; no affinity to French. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • The emperor is also known as Heliogabalus, and it seems to me that the first redirect is a plausible incorrect form. – Uanfala (talk) 02:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    What kind of form is it supposed to be? ~~~~
    User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)     10:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Some languages (like English) use the nominative form of Latin and Greek names ("Elagabalus"), while others (like French, Russian or Arabic) use the stem (which may be more or less adopted to the patterns of that language: "Elagabal", "Elagabale"...). A reader who is a native speaker of one of those languages and is not aware of the conventions for Latin words in English, will try searching with a form like "Elagabal". Even if the reader is aware of the English conventions, it is not always easy to guess the correct form: which case ending do you add (-us, -es, -is, -s..)?, do you need to remove or change anything in the stem ("Platon" -> "Plato", "Vercingetorig" -> "Vercingetorix" etc.)? These considerations are also relevant, though to a much smaller degree, when you also focus exclusively on English usage: a few names here don't have the case ending ("Aristotle" and not "Aristoteles"). – Uanfala (talk) 13:32, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Since some scholarly sources, including an important early source, are in French, there's a good chance that readers might encounter these forms, and not realize that they refer to Elagabalus. This is more likely to occur with the French form than with other common languages of classical scholarship; for instance, German works usually use the same Latin form that English speakers would recognize. It's unlikely that these redirects are needed for some other purpose, and I can think of no other reason for deleting them. P Aculeius (talk) 12:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:41, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep the first as the article refers to it as an opera by a French composer. No opinion on the second. Jay (talk) 04:35, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep both per Jay, since the second term (with acute accent) also appears in the "Cultural references" section. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 04:55, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Top radio[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 5#Top radio

Bundesstelle für Fernmeldestatistik[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 05:15, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:R#DELETE #10, not mentioned at the target, appears to be independently notable based on the deWiki article. signed, Rosguill talk 18:40, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, per WP:RFOREIGN and WP:R#KEEP #3. As covered in the dewiki article, this was the code name of most of the branch or field offices of the Federal Intelligence Service from its founding and until 2014. This means that a large number of such offices throughout Germany had a "Federal Office for Telecommunications Statistics" sign and were listed as such in directories, while they were in fact "Federal Intelligence Service" stations. This might qualify for an independent article on the English Wikipedia, but this is not certain as the German Wikipedia assumes every formal federal office is notable. This is a plausible search term for the organization, as anyone who searches for this name, which was a name officially used by the organisation, would be searching for the Federal Intelligence Service. Pikavoom Talk 06:24, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:25, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom, unless there is a mention at the target. If it was an official name, there must be reliable sources for referencing at the target. Jay (talk) 04:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Jay due to a lack of mention. -- Tavix (talk) 21:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom et al. No point in keeping if there's no mention at the target. CycloneYoris talk! 23:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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West Korea[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 5#West Korea

Newbury Medal[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Newbery Medal. ✗plicit 14:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Newbery Medal as plausible misspellings. Google searches are mostly misspellings for Newbery Medal and I found no indication that this obscure award is ever referred to as the Newbury "Medal". eviolite (talk) 12:54, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Guido Fawkes (blogger)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 2#Guido Fawkes (blogger)

Youngest self made billionaire[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to The World's Billionaires. Jay (talk) 15:10, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest deletion, doesn't appear to be a plausible redirect nor accurate - perhaps it was when the redirect was created but a Google search for this term has this article as the first result. Bonoahx (talk) 10:49, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Nasty Party[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 2#Nasty Party

Square Deal Association[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Huey Long#Increased tensions in Louisiana. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 09:57, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion, since the latter does not mention the former at all. RekishiEJ (talk) 08:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 08:13, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to where it is mentioned per Eviolite. Thryduulf (talk) 23:12, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Steve Henifin[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) feminist🇺🇦 (talk) 15:48, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in the target article. IceWelder [✉] 09:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:58, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Content was merged to the target following an AfD, and we would need the history for attribution. Jay (talk) 03:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Jay. This is clearly a case of an {{R with history}} and should be kept for attribution purposes. CycloneYoris talk! 09:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Straban[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Straban Township, Adams County, Pennsylvania. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 09:49, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot seem to find Strabane referred to anywhere as Straban. The page initially targated Strabo. The most appropriate target in my view is Straban Township, Adams County, Pennsylvania and it should probably be retargeted there but with no incoming links on wikipedia and no pageviews in the past 30 days, I would not be oppose to a delete. TartarTorte 03:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 03:39, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Alaskan Thunderfuck[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Alaska Thunderfuck. -- Tavix (talk) 21:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This page currently redirects to Cannabis strain, but is not documented at the redirect target page due to lack of content published by reliable sources. Recommend deleting the existing redirect page as there is no encyclopedic content to be merged, and creating a new redirect to Alaska Thunderfuck in its place. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 01:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the redirect was part a general cleanup of a bunch of Cannabis articles, some that were somewhat mass produced and had to be handled en masse. I don't think anyone would complain if the redirect page was just deleted given the sourcing issues. At the time, it didn't really have any other use, so it was just written off as a redirects are cheap change, but with the BLP page, it looks like it's better just to outright delete the current redirect. Having the redirect go to Alaska Thunderfuck isn't really useful since if people using the search bar should have the BLP as the first result anyways.
This RfD actually could be closed as delete here instead of needing to go to AfD, which I would support, but another option would just be to PROD it. KoA (talk) 04:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PROD is for uncontroversial deletions, which this clearly is not, given its history at AfD. And only rarely does BLAR + RfD make sense as a backdoor to AfD. Either we decide what to do with the page as a redirect, or restore the article and send to AfD if desired. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:31, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to here with "backdoor AfD", but the whole point of my comment was that the current redirect was a process of talk page discussions to merge relevant low quality articles to the cannabis strains page. If content at that page didn't make the cut, then it functionally became a redirect as happened here. I have no problem with the current redirect just being deleted and no prejudice against just leaving it as-is either. That's as far as my interest in this larger conversation goes. KoA (talk) 21:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — The nominator is failing to acknowledge that prior to the aforementioned merge action, the article went to AFD twice within a year, the first closed as keep and the second closed as no consensus. They're also failing to acknowledge that they were the instigator of the first AFD and a preceding PROD, or that their contribution to the second AFD was to play dumb when others provided sources. Combining all that with the actions which were acknowledged here, this smacks of a long-term forum-shopping campaign intended to eradicate this one way or another in contravention of the originally established community consensus, otherwise known as a "backdoor deletion". You've chosen to ignore that the proper name of the strain is "Matanuska Thunderfuck" (acknowledged in both AFDs) and that High Times first reported on it in 1975. You've chosen to ignore the suggested redirect target of Cannabis in Alaska once that article was created. What is your objective here? From what I'm seeing, it's a desire to associate this term solely with a drag queen, pretending that it wasn't derivative of the name of a cannabis strain first reported many decades ago. I get it that some people are hung up on flooding the encyclopedia with 21st-century pop-culture topics and LGBT topics. However, it's a bad joke to keep referring to that Jimbo quote about "the sum of all human knowledge" when you aren't seriously trying to be that. Any trained monkey can slap something together that mirrors the results of a Google search. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 09:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for your response. You were invited/pinged in 2015 (see: Talk:Alaskan Thunderfuck) to explore the possibility of locating reliable sources in order to collaborate on rectifying the article and bring it in line with Wikipedia standards. There was no reply.
    Your response here treads the line of a personal attack. To suggest that attempting to resolve this long-term issue amounts to forum shopping is an insult. We are discussing a redirect which has been in place since 2016. If this is not the correct venue, this can be re-listed at WP:AFD or whichever venue is deemed appropriate, that's fine. RfD seems the most sensible under the circumstances.
    To be clear, the rationale for deletion is that this redirect in its current state serves absolutely no purpose, as there is no information to be found about "Alaskan Thunderfuck" at the Cannabis strain article. More than 7 years have passed since the original AfD discussion, and there has been no indication that there is sufficient content from reliable publications on any subject by this name.
    This is not an ask to improve an article. Rather than keep a placeholder indefinitely which holds no value to the potential reader, it would be logical to redirect to a plausible misspelling. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 22:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't know what history there is being brought up in this comment between editors except that is does come across as WP:BATTLEGROUNDy trying to bring up old disputes. The reality is that the consensus was to merge the page back in 2016 to Cannabis strains based on talk page discussions[1], which was after whatever is being brought up here. That part was left out of the above comment. If someone is focusing on the cannabis stuff, that's something that's been settled already for 6 years, so this really isn't the place to resurface such old disputes. KoA (talk) 22:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore article per WP:BLAR without prejudice to a third AfD if the nominator or someone else desires. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't understand this nomination. What would be the point to delete the history of an article which was explicitly kept at AfD? No opinion on whether this should be retargeted to Alaska Thunderfuck or restored and sent to AfD, but deleting and recreating doesn't make sense. A7V2 (talk) 03:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moderate support for redirecting Alaskan Thunderfuck → Alaska Thunderfuck. I've already articulated bits on all this above, but might as well make a clear WP:!VOTE. I don't really care if the the current cannabis redirect should be deleted first or not. I'm not expert on the BLP page subject, but it at least makes a case for notability. The cannabis page didn't, which is why there was consensus to merge it into cannabis strains in 2016 (the most recent deletion/redirect event) and try to give it a shot at the strains page. Instead, it didn't even pass muster there for WP:DUE mention in any reliable sources, much less WP:GNG for a separate article. The only real options at this RfD are redirect as I mention above, or just leave it redirecting to cannabis strains. I'm fine with either, but the current cannabis redirect is serving little if any function since there's no mention at the target. I don't think it's unreasonable to say the redirect would serve a better function pointing to the BLP instead, especially since there's no disambiguation needed. KoA (talk) 22:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 03:28, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Alaska Thunderfuck per KoA. Seems unnecessary to recommend deletion of this redirect, when it can easily just be retargeted somewhere else, and I concur with A7V2 that it would be completely pointless to delete and recreate. CycloneYoris talk! 10:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Follow the white rabbit[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 2#Follow the white rabbit

Amstelodami[edit]

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