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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 26, 2022.

Hanging Man[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was disambiguate , with implicit (rough) consensus for the absence of a primary topic. If the question is taken up agian, the proper venue would be WP:RM#CM. I'm creating a preliminary dab page at Hanging man (which appears to be the title favoured by WP:DABNAME), and edits to it are welcome. Uanfala (talk) 11:52, 7 September 2022 (UTC) (non-admin closure) Uanfala (talk) 11:52, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous redirect. Title doesn't specifically refer to this tarot card. CycloneYoris talk! 08:53, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • There's the dab page The Hanged Man. Given search results, I'm inclined to retarget to Hanging man (candlestick pattern) but I'm happy to listen out for other options here. I think we should keep in mind a couple of things: the disambiguation option and that Hanging man is a red link; it as it stands should be the title of the candlestick pattern page. J947 † edits 10:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree, and also thought about retargeting to the candlestick article. Though the search bar does yield multiple results, so disambiguating also seems like a viable option. CycloneYoris talk! 23:24, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move "hanging man (candlestick pattern)" to "hanging man", retarget "Hanging Man" to "hanging man", and then, to "hanging man", add a hatnote link to the disambiguation page "The Hanged Man" since it is very easy for someone to look for "hanging man" when one is actually wanting to look for one of the meanings of "hanged man". —Lowellian (reply) 19:17, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disambiguate "hanging man" to indicate the candlestick pattern, a person who is hanged (sentenced to hang, death by hanging), a person who does the hanging (executioner; the hanging man carries out the work of the hanging judge) -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 22:40, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate per the IP. BD2412 T 16:06, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hanging Man is also the title of a play by Andrew Upton. Although not mentioned at his article, it's mentioned at Toby Schmitz who acted.
"Hanging Man" is also referenced at Cherokee–American wars and I'm wondering if it's a typo for Hanging Maw (which has 7 mentions at the article). The reference of Hanging Man in the Cherokee–American wars article is along with Corntassel (or Old Tassel) whose article doesn't have a mention of Hanging Man, but has of Hanging Maw. Jay 💬 08:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: WP:INVOLVED relist since consensus is slightly unclear, and the creation of a draft DAB is still pending.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 23:53, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disambiguate and add a See also for Hanging Maw on the page. All the above are potential targets of hanging man. Don't forget "hang man" the spelling game too. GenQuest "scribble" 17:09, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Forgive my laughter[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. Some people want to keep both, another person wants to send both to Wikiquote, some people want to delete Forgive my laughter and do something else with the other quote (and the two delete advocates for Forgive my laughter don't agree on what to do with the other one, keep or Wikiquote?). It isn't clear which action to take. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 06:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per precedent established at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 25#You'll get your rent when you fix this damn door!, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 3#Give me your rent, and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 September 25#Give me rent, this is a non-notable quote not mentioned on the page (WP:R#D8). InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:46, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep "You Get What You Deserve", delete "Forgive my laughter"I can understand the first of the redirects, but the second is a very-frequently heard quote from the movie. When searching for Joker 2019 on YouTube and the results are sorted from most viewed to least viewed, the scene with Murray's death and the line is the second most viewed line. It's also heard very prominently. Additionally, when typing the quote on Google, autocomplete suggests the quote (albeit without the f bomb) as the fifth suggestion when only typing "you get" into the search box.
Moreover, while KnowYourMeme is an unreliable source when it comes to accuracy of facts and especially BLP, it does demonstrate popularity through the website's view counts. The quote's entry on KYM has over 61,416 views and is synonymous with the movie. It's not as famous as "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore", but that quote is still preserved as a redirect given its popularity and would violate the precedent established as the "Give me rent" discussion. If that quote isn't removed as a redirect, shouldn't this quote "get what it deserves"? (Apologies if I insult you)InvadingInvader (talk) 02:57, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
— Note to closing admin: InvadingInvader (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:40, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Wizard of Oz quote is an iconic and highly well-known quote, which is mentioned at the redirect target and included at AFI's 100 Years...100 Movie Quotes. This is not the case for either of these Joker quotes. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Have you taken into consideration the prevalence of the KnowYourMeme page, the YouTube clip's prominence and view count (76 million views on this video is the second most out of any Joker clip on YouTube), and the KnowYourMeme page? KYM may not be good enough as a source for notability of a full article, but given the prevalence of that quote's clip on YouTube and the Google autocomplete stats I mentioned earlier, along with 60,000+ views on KYM, this should at least justify a redirect. InvadingInvader (talk) 03:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, the past 30 days have had 37 hits for "You get what you deserve". Compare it to the more iconic quote ("Toto"), which only got 7 hits in the past 30, going solely on hits, "You get what you deserve" has more than six times the hits of "Toto" this month InvadingInvader (talk) 03:31, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Plenty of memes have high viewcounts at KnowYourMeme and YouTube, but that doesn't mean they all need redirects. And more importantly, the article Joker (2019 film) makes no mention of either quote, making the redirects pointless and unhelpful to readers. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just because it isn't in the article doesn't mean it pointless. There are plenty of redirects which are famous, not directly mentioned in the article, nor on an AFI list but exist, some of which are arguably less iconic than "You get what you deserve". I agree that not all memes and quotes and popular sets of materials need redirects, but I think that 76 Million views and the popularity of the Google autocomplete segment justifies its inclusion in the mainspace, even if it's an addition to the article after this discussion. Look at the redirect for You are one ugly motherfucker!; how come it's still up? It's not on AFI nor is it explicitly referred to in the Predator franchise's logo, but it's iconic to the series. "You get what you deserve" is iconic to its franchise. And do page hits not count? The more famous quote (Toto) only got 7 hits this month while "You Get what you deserve" got 37.
I suggest you focus your deletion nominations to redirects that get less hits or are less famous than this. The numbers speak for themselves. 76 Million views. 37 Hits this month. 60K views on KYM. Heck, even 545,000 Google results, which is even more than even Toto not being in Kansas anymore. This should be more than enough to justify the redirect's retention. InvadingInvader (talk) 04:50, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:19, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep It doesn't matter whether the quote is in the article, it only matters if it's a possible search term and if the target answers the likely question. These two cases are both. Almost certainly anyone searching on them wants to know where they're from, and redirecting to the movie answers that. Central and Adams (talk) 18:50, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Minimally notable quotes still have a lot of reach when they are from blockbuster movies, hence could help a lot of people navigate to the article. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 23:03, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Soft redirect to Wikiquote. I don't think these quotes are plausible search terms for the article within Wikipedia. Most people searching these quotes probably already know where they are from and so aren't looking for the article. If they were they'd probably use a shorter search term. Even if they didn't know a redirect to Wikiquote would also answer that question. – Scyrme (talk) 17:43, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Johnny Ware[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus between keeping or retargeting to the dab. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:23, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sure about this, but this seems it could refer to any article in John Ware (disambiguation). Qwerfjkltalk 21:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Leaning retarget to the disambiguation page. BD2412 T 15:18, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep Absent evidence other people on the disambiguation page have been referred to as Johnny, it makes sense to favor one that was. However, the nickname should probably be added to the cowboy article, and a hatnote definitely should. If things were the other way around, it would make much more sense to provide "John" access to multiple Johnnys. --BDD (talk) 18:58, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep as external search results refer to the cowboy. Most are music sites referring to the song by Stompin' Tom Connors, although that article too doesn't have a mention of this name. Jay 💬 09:01, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Schism of the Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 2#Schism of the Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church

Uzbekistane[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 18:15, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible misspelling. "n" and "e" are not adjacent letters on the keyboard. FAdesdae378 (talk · contribs) 03:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Here I agree with the nom. Having an "e" at the end even alters its pronunciation, so better to have this deleted. CycloneYoris talk! 03:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. English pronunciation rules seemingly aren't well understood, aren't uniformly utilised (e.g., give), and only apply to one language. Plus, -stan spellings are pretty inconsistent at the best of times. This spelling of Uzbekistan yields 742,000 GHits, suggesting this is a plausible redirect to deal with vagarities of transliteration – especially outdated, pre-standardised ones (?). Interestingly, it looks like the Uzbek language is actually transitioning from using the Cyrillic alphabet to the Latin alphabet. J947 † edits 05:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, could also be a mistranslation (mistranscription?) from Russian, where the suffix -e conveys prepositional information. In the absence of another topic that the term could be confused with, keeping seems fine. signed, Rosguill talk 19:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. While there are a lot of google hits, looking at them none of them are in an English language context and, of those where the context is clear, almost all are Lithuanian or Slovakian rather than Uzbek or Russian/Soviet so I'm not seeing an obvious affinity. Given the redirect has only attracted 23 uses in the last three years (July 2019-July 2022) I'm not convinced this is a useful redirect on the English Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 15:05, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning keep; I could see this as an error for Uzbekistani. BD2412 T 15:19, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Currently tit-for-tat right now.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:05, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Kazakhstani redirects but Kazakhstane doesn’t. That’s as it should be. My opinion might be different if “Uzbekistane” were not a foreign spelling, but it is a foreign spelling, which suggests that people spelling it that way are looking for foreign language materials—-not looking for the English Wikipedia or other English stuff. Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:45, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Thryduulf and Anythingyouwant. Keeping it just in case it's plausible error seems misguided when the term is used correctly in other languages; better to not pollute search results for people looking for information that isn't in English. – Scyrme (talk) 14:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Usages are local to other languages. We have a -stan article but no -stane or stane redirect. Jay 💬 09:47, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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PeaBrainC/Hans Gustav Wilhelm Steinert[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6 - page unambiguously created in error. Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Likely an error created by the content translation tool. PeaBrainC (talk · contribs) is the user who created the article using this tool. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:22, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Soul2Sole FC[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to 2022 National Independent Soccer Association season#SoCal Region where the team is mentioned. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:05, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at the target, primary sources associated with Soul2Sole FC don't suggest an affiliation ([1]) to UPSL. signed, Rosguill talk 23:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Let's see if Jay's suggestions lead to consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 10:24, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Greatest Emperor[edit]

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Cuschow lady[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 02:36, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target, and I'm not finding any websites that mention this term at all (aside from one Wikipedia scraper) Plantdrew (talk) 01:29, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Not even finding evidence this exists as a term at all, and definitely not a term most if any entomologists have seen to describe any Coccinellidae. While redirects are cheap, deletion seems wise when it looks like it was a made up term. KoA (talk) 05:23, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete seems to be made up --Lenticel (talk) 03:43, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete as unrelated to ladybugs, don’t mess with ladybugs. Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:10, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Haim Romano[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 02:39, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at the target, no relevant results in an internet search, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 17:37, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • As the article history indicates, Romano is the former CEO of El Al. [2] - Eureka Lott 18:36, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As summarized by Rosguill, there isn't really any merit to having a redirect. Avigl (talk) 23:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Previously an article, though unreferenced and one sentence long: [3]. Definitely not a suitable redirect, and I think should be deleted as an unsourced BL(presumably)P rather than restored. A7V2 (talk) 06:11, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: without prejudice to article recreation. Haim Romano might be notable, but there is nothing on him on the El-Al page. TartarTorte 14:29, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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