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December 13[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 13, 2021.

Allophrenia[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 03:54, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zero hits on GScholar or PubMed for this term, although some less than reliable looking blogs claim that it is a medical term for this syndrome. I would lean towards deletion as a neologism unless stronger evidence of this term's use can be presented. signed, Rosguill talk 23:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as confusing without a properly-sourced mention. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete looks to be an ill-defined and uncommon term with only a few mentions, and 'too few' on Google Trends (i.e it's so infrequently used as a search term Google Trends won't display a signal). So in the absence of a strong definition a redirect is risky. Chumpih. (talk) 21:39, 14 December 2021 (UTC) + clarification 2021-12-15[reply]
  • Keep the term was used by Terence McKenna and this redirect will help those who have listened to his talks find the proper term. MarshallKe (talk) 23:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    A better way of helping those who search by this term might be to include some words about Allophrenia on the Terence McKenna page. With a citation to back up the use. Wikipedia's internal search is quite good. Chumpih. (talk) 04:51, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as neologism. Unless it's coined by McKenna, it shouldn't redirect there. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Chembox MolarMass[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 03:33, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unused. As a subtemplate, it would only be called from the main template i.e., no public calls. Therefor, [not] called from main template only. No reason for template editor to call a redirect when its target is available. No use for distracting variant names in the subtemplate list. From maintaining the main {{Chembox}}, I'd say non-controversial. DePiep (talk) 22:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added Template:Chembox DeltaGf -DePiep (talk) 06:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added Template:Chembox properties -DePiep (talk) 07:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. These aren't needed anymore and the redirects are not useful. Gonnym (talk) 23:20, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Raines Rules[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 04:33, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect is not linked anywhere on the English Wikipedia and consists of a grammatical error. An identical redirect page with an apostrophe (Raines' Rules) was created at the same time as this one; apostrophe has nearly 2000 views and is linked at Franklin Raines, while this one has 45 views. Andrew11374265 (talk) 08:54, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nomination. -- Mdd (talk) 13:53, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I see this as a plausible misnomer, especially since searching on mobile you do not have easy access to the apostrophe in most cases. Aasim (talk) 22:28, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Aasim. Plausible misnomer indeed. I don't consider a lack of apostrophe to be a grammatical error as such, but even so it's completely minimal. Deletion would benefit no one, and would affect readers who have found this redirect to be helpful. CycloneYoris talk! 08:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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PIN code[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Personal identification number. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 08:44, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest retargeting this redirect to Personal identification number, as the latter is used worldwide and its usage far outweighs the India-specific Postal Index Number. nyuszika7h (talk) 11:46, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Steamboat Arabia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Arabia (steamboat). (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 08:44, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest retargeting to Arabia (steamboat) as the boat itself seems to be the more likely target for this phrasing. Hog Farm Talk 05:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Retarget per nom, noting there is a link in the lead to the other article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Cyclon[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. There is a suspicious volume of IPs here, but consensus is clear either way. -- Tavix (talk) 18:39, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Zyklon (disambiguation). It may be referred to Zyklon A, Zyklon B, rather than Hydrogen cyanide. 2405:9800:BA31:F6:5562:3537:93F8:26B (talk) 02:49, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is this the same IP user voting to both delete and disambiguate? Mdewman6 (talk) 02:07, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have struck off the first vote. Jay (talk) 06:54, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A disambig draft will help.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 06:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I'm seeing searches for batteries, footwear, Chlordiazepoxide/clidinium bromide, and other non-notable brands. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete there seems little virtue in keeping a redirect that tries to guess the correct intention of the mis-typist. A disambiguate would serve to justify the typo. Delete and allow the Search suggestions work their magic. Chumpih. (talk) 04:59, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete and disambig draft. There are no notable brands named "Cyclon", but I think a disambig draft should help. 49.48.147.206 (talk) 07:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I think search results for "Cyclon" are quite limited apart from typos since they only mention the three terms for each votes, so I hope to soft delete. 2405:9800:BA31:F6:A1B4:3655:3EF1:C0A0 (talk) 01:10, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soft delete and draftify DAB per IPs. 223.207.113.226 (talk) 07:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Woredas of Ethiopia[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:CSD#G8. ✗plicit 14:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused template redirect Platonk (talk) 04:33, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep they are woredas, thus useful in determining which template one is looking for. -- 65.92.246.43 (talk) 04:42, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The template isn't going away. The target will still exist. I'm working a project to straighten out all the Ethiopia location templates. This discussion is about an empty "redirect" to the real template. Platonk (talk) 07:05, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Carrot head[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget Carrot tops to the Carrot top disambiguation page. No consensus for the Carrot head redirects.. There is no support for the nomination's intention to keep all redirected to the same target. This close will result in a split of heads vs tops, even without having a suggested Carrot Head disambiguation page, although that could be one of the ways ahead. Jay (talk) 16:47, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this should link to Discrimination against people with red hair, as carrot tops and even carrot heads do. The last two have been a redirect to a section on the Red hair article dealing with discrimination for some time now, but the main article on discrimination is very new. —AFreshStart (talk) 14:32, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While the original nomination was to make the singular consistent with the plural, by clubbing the plurals into the nomination, the discussion has turned into questioning the retargetting of the plurals that happened 10 days back.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 03:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disambiguate - Retarget Carrot tops to our existing disambiguation at carrot top, and create a new disambiguation for carrot head as described by IP65. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 09:32, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Red hair as the broader and primary topic and hatnote. I note that Discrimination against people with red hair is currently at AFD and would also argue (using Carrot Top as an example) that the term is not necessarily discriminatory. -- Tavix (talk) 02:13, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Retarget to disambiguation at Carrot top. This can be the top / greens part of the carrot, or redheads. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:44, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate. On a web search I'm seeing a lot of results related to the tops of carrots for both phrases (tops/heads), so I don't think people with red hair should be the primary topic. I can see several ways to implement that: 1) disambiguate the singulars separately from the plurals (makes sense as the plurals only have two meanings – people and vegetables – so it's more convenient for readers if these aren't mixed in with all the proper nouns in the current dab page; 2) disambiguate the tops separately from the heads; 3) retarget all redirects to Carrot top (because the referents of all four redirects are subsets of the topics listed there, except for Mr Carrot Head mentioned at Mr. Potato Head, but that's a passing mention and so probably we don't need to index it from dab pages). – Uanfala (talk) 23:59, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Madame Prime Minister[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of elected and appointed female heads of state and government. Jay (talk) 07:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Was R3'd, but doesn't qualify for it. Obviously, keeping it as it is isn't an option. Weak retarget to List of elected and appointed female heads of state and government, but deleting it isn't the worst thing (even if it does lead to unhelpful search results). — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 08:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Wikipedia is not an Internet search engine and we're not expected to wild-guess responses to such non-specific queries. — kashmīrī TALK 10:15, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget as suggested by the nominator. That will take readers to a list of people that includes all those who could be referred to by this title, while the search results are pretty unhelpful. Thryduulf (talk) 13:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget. Too new to say how many people will use this search term, but it rings like a plausible one to me. Whomever a reader had in mind, the proposed target ought to get them there. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 19:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • retarget per nom -- 65.92.246.43 (talk) 12:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Prime minister, just as Madam President redirects to President (government title). —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I could go along with either that retarget or the other one. This is interesting. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 02:58, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Can there be consistency with the corresponding President redirect?
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  • Retarget per nom. Silly redirect since female prime ministers are not known as "madam" like a female president is, but simply "prime minister" just like the male version... Huggums537 (talk) 23:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Coming from a country with a PM, Mister/Madam Prime Minister is definitely a thing. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 21:45, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete consistent with Madam Prime Minister. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:28, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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From above, there's consensus that the current redirect is not appropriate. Options include retarget to list of heads (per nom.), delete, and retarget to Prime Minister. More recent arguments are for Delete and for retarget per nom.
They all appear appropriate actions, and mostly well reasoned, so perhaps we won't get a precision of consensus. There's a weight of opinion towards retarget to list of heads and no strong argument against that.
An argument against Delete: this will permit the recreation of some redirect in future, and we'll be in this situation again.
Redirect per nom. therefore seems a reasonable way to proceed, and unlikely to cause problem. Chumpih. (talk) 07:47, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Prime Minister per Mx. Granger.Aervanath (talk) 21:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Christmas parade car crash[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Aervanath (talk) 20:56, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or setindexify there have been many vehicular accidents during Christmas parades over the decades. It is not that rare for being to be killed during parades. There was a non-fatal incident in 2018 at Disney -- 65.92.246.43 (talk) 21:53, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete as ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. This is too ambiguous to be useful as a redirect to any single event, and too vague to be a useful disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 12:59, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as the primary topic. AFAICT, the target is the only Christmas parade car crash with a stand-alone article. Also, as Roman Spinner has pointed out, it has been well-used for the Waukesha event. -- Tavix (talk) 03:14, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Biosciences (disambiguation)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 23:42, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Other than the primary topic (biology), none of the articles linked from the target is known by this name. "Biosciences" isn't an ambiguous term (I PRODded the disambiguation page previously at this title last year). As such, I can't see any circumstances in which this redirect would be useful to a reader, and my inquiry at the creator's talk page hasn't clarified matters (though I appreciate the quick replies). – Arms & Hearts (talk) 20:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: This title did spike in usage in mid-2017, suggesting this is a plausible search term. Aasim (talk) 03:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've no idea what caused that spike, but that was at a time when there was a disambiguation page at this location (which was linked from biology (disambiguation) and possibly other pages), so it doesn't tell us anything about the usefulness of this redirect. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:32, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. "Biosciences" is not an ambiguous term that is disambiguated at the target. Note that Biosciences targets List of life sciences and not Biology. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:35, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete as improper disambiguated title. Jay (talk) 18:37, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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