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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 30, 2020.

ChAdOx1[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was accept draft. This doesn't preclude redirection in the future if the community finds it appropriate, of course, but the draft looks good and should make for a better baseline for discussion. --BDD (talk) 18:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Re-target to Jenner Institute. Redirect seems to based that the Oxford University/Astrazeneca vaccine is called ChAdOx1, or that ChAdOx1 is the shortened form of ChAdOx1 nCov-19. In fact ChAdOx1 is a viral vector that has been used in several vaccine trials by the Jenner Institute e.g. for flu and MERS. --TedEdwards 22:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Neither ChAdOx1 nor ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 is mentioned at Jenner Institute, and ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 is mentioned at COVID-19 vaccine as a synonym for AZD1222.
Currently someone entering ChAdOx1 is likely to get most value from being redirected to COVID-19 vaccine.
Of course there should by now be an article at AZD1222, which would be a better target, and ideally one at ChAdOx1 itself.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough 10:24, 25 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]
@Rich Farmbrough: What about redirecting to Sarah Gilbert, which mentions her research in using ChAdOx1 for MERS vaccination?
I strongly believe that a redirect should not link to a page that will confuse what the meaning of the term is, and I believe that redirecting "ChAdOx1" to "Covid-19 vaccine" will cause confusion over what ChAdOx1 is. Wikipedia is an encylopedia, and should not feed incorrect beliefs, like ChAdOx1 being a Covid vaccine. So I don't believe the redirect at the moment provides value.
This page, being a discussion page, should provide an opportunity to discuss all pages that "ChAdOx1" could redirect to, not just "Jenner Institute" and "Covid-19 vaccine", so I am willing to discuss this. --TedEdwards 23:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@TedEdwards and Rich Farmbrough: now that the AZD1222 article has been created, what about to write a stub for the ChAdOx1 ? Maybe something like "ChAdOx1 is a viral vector developed by .... and used for different vaccines trials as .... and Covid-19 (under the name of AZD1222)" Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexcalamaro: Rather than create a stub, I think it would be better to create a section to the most relevant existing article (possibly "Jenner Institute", "Oxford Vaccine Group", "Sarah Gilbert", "Vaccitech", or another), rather than create a stub, as there probably isn't another information to create proper article. I also note there is a ChAdOx2 adenoviral vector. --TedEdwards 14:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Adenoviridae#Vaccines. That section mentions & explains this term, and can be further expanded with information about other ChAdOx1-vectored vaccines to avoid any misleading implication that ChAdOx1 is only associated with COVID-19 vaccines. (N.b.: the target section itself might benefit from being retitled, e.g. to something like "As vaccine vectors", to avoid confusion with Adenovirus vaccines.) 61.239.39.90 (talk) 06:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have added this option, and also S.Gillbert, in the redirect page. So the reader could choose before we close this RfD. Alexcalamaro (talk) 09:42, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 20:37, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget - Adenoviridae#Vaccines seems to be the best and most accurate currently existing option. I agree with the assertion that even if this is mostly being used in the context of the COVID-19 vaccine using this vector, it's still quite inaccurate to point it at that and imply it's a specific meaning. A stub article, though, may be the best option. ~ mazca talk 12:15, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Create article per Alexcalamaro's draft mentioned below. This is a clear upgrade on any of the other current potential targets. ~ mazca talk 23:43, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I am now creating a stub for ChAdOx1 at : Draft:ChAdOx1. I think is the best option, as the vector is researched for other vaccines as well. Alexcalamaro (talk) 10:43, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@TedEdwards, Mazca, BDD, and Rich Farmbrough: I think the draft stub (Draft:ChAdOx1) is ready to move to main space. You could take a look at it, if you please, and share your thoughts. Alexcalamaro (talk) 14:56, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. It's certainly a good detailed start for an article on it, well done. This is definitely an improvement. ~ mazca talk 23:43, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Mazca, I have added the Db-move template to the page to carry on the movement. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Druck (key)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to German keyboard layout#Key labels. signed, Rosguill talk 00:34, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RLOTE 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 15:29, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Obvious keep. Have you ever been in the situation to use a foreign-language keyboard (for example while you are on holiday in a different country)? Druck is the printed label on the key of German keyboards which corresponds with the PrtScr key on English keyboards, so people may have a need to find out what it means. This is a situation different from f.e. an alpha-key label like Q which might be associated with a different key initially (before loading a national keyboard driver), f.e. with letter "A" on an French AZERTY rather than an English QWERTY keyboard, because this can be remedied by loading the corresponding keyboard driver, so that pressing "A" actually produces "A". However, the label for the print-screen key would still show Druck after loading the driver, so the English user may still need to know what it is. Therefore, the redirect helps users to find the relevant info. Since it is not in the way of another article, the solution per WP:REDIR is to keep. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 15:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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We typically target redirects to the most specific article/section, therefore the target Print Screen appears to be more appropriate than German keyboard layout, although that would be another option, but only the second best one. After all, the user entering this is well aware of the fact that s/he is using a foreign language keyboard. There won't be any surprises when s/he gets redirected to Print Screen, as this immediately answers the implied question even without explicitly mentioning the foreign language term there. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to German keyboard layout. Matthiaspaul is making some reasonable enough assumptions about how this may be used, but they are still assumptions, and there are multiple points at which the scenario could fail. German keyboard layout#Key labels may be the best choice, since it avoids the reader having to find the content within the article. --BDD (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 19:59, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to German keyboard layout#Key labels which succinctly explains the meaning of the key label to an English speaker. Leaving it targetting Print screen forces the reader to infer the translation, a situation which is unnecessary given the explicit translation at German keyboard layout.—Ketil Trout (<><!) 21:31, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to German_keyboard_layout#Key_labels per Ketiltrout. I broadly agree that most use of this redirect is going to be people puzzling over the meaning of the key on a German keyboard and looking for a translation, but in any other circumstances just dumping them at Print screen without context is suboptimal. The page covering German keyboards with an explicit translation seems the most appropriate solution. ~ mazca talk 12:20, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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2020–21 Argentine Primera División[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to Argentine Primera División#2020–present. Especially given that we're unlikely to have a section called "2020–present" indefinitely, it may be appropriate to retarget this elsewhere in the future. --BDD (talk) 17:27, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

With the conclusion of the 2019–20 season of Argentine football on 28 April 2020, it was decided by the Argentine Football Association (AFA) that the next Primera División season would start in 2021, instead of the second half of 2020. A redirection from this article to 2020 Copa de la Liga Profesional should not be made because: 1) the Copa de la LPF will not count towards league records, and 2) it is not considered a league competition but rather as a cup (just like the defunct Copa de la Superliga) which was only made to align the league to the calendar year from 2021 onwards. Therefore, there will not be a 2020–21 season in Argentine football, especially in the Primera División tournament. CodeMars04 (talk) 17:37, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget. There is lots of precedent for sporting events and seasons that have been cancelled due to Covid to redirect to whichever article explains the cancellation as they are and will remain likely search terms. In this case the best target is possibly Argentine Primera División#2020–present. Thryduulf (talk) 19:21, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Note: I created the redirect. I'm happy for any decision to be made, just as long as it's consistently shown throughout articles.
    I created the redirect for the sole reason of the career statistics tables on player articles. The Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana are both being played in the gap between the Primera División seasons (2019-20 & 2021), as is the Copa de la Liga Profesional itself, so wasn't sure where we'd put player's stats for those competitions in. As 2019-20 has ended, yet 2021 hasn't begun. I thought 2020-21 would be a good middle ground, especially as Soccerway list Copa de la Liga Profesional apps/gls as Primera División apps/gls. A similar situation as the MLS Is Back Tournament, which has (seemingly) been paired in with MLS 2020 for statistics etc. I'm willing to listen to other editor's ideas, I'd just want consistency that's all. RPSwp (talk) 19:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --BDD (talk) 19:56, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Zaheed Sabur[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:23, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect was pointing to a Notable people section, despite the article about said person having been deleted at AfD half a year ago. As Sabur should not be listed at the target without notability having been established, this redirect serves no purpose and should be deleted. signed, Rosguill talk 19:50, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete not mentioned in article.—Ketil Trout (<><!) 21:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The AfD result was delete not redirect, and the target article does not mention the subject. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:20, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Eurocrime[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:23, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

While this was created with the justification the term "Eurocrimes" was used by Věra Jourová in a speech on LGBTQ rights on 12 Nov. 2020, an internet search primarily lists a variety of unrelated subjects, including a 2012 film [1], a think tank [2], and a crime fiction association [3]. Given the range of (likely non-notable) referents, deletion seems like the most appropriate course of action. signed, Rosguill talk 19:41, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This term is ambiguous and the redirect may cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Bellypopper[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:23, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't appear to be an alternative name for the target nor a likely misnomer. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:30, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This is The BFG's word for "helicopter". If there was relevant content at The BFG or a related article I'd suggest retargetting there, but it isn't mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia and there is nowhere in the article it could be reasonably added so it is not a useful redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 20:36, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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WikiProject Buses[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:22, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 6#All cross-namespace redirects of the following type * Pppery * it has begun... 14:41, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Top 10 tallest buildings in Moscow[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 17:21, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Top 10 lists and redirects are not encyclopedic. Dominicmgm (talk) 16:22, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. If you have a problem with the target article then take it to AfD, but while it exists this is a completely ok redirect to it - someone looking for this information will find it at the target. Thryduulf (talk) 17:12, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I wouldn't go as far as saying that top 10 lists are unencyclopedic. They very well could be if they are the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. However, that's not the case here—there is nothing special about the set of the 10 tallest buildings in Moscow. That is also not the subject of the list because there are a lot more then 10 buildings listed. -- Tavix (talk) 21:41, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I do not think all top 10 lists and redirects are unencyclopedic as some could very well be encyclopedic but since in this case there are well more then 10 buildings on this list I think the redirect should be deleted unless we remove the extra buildings but that would require a discussion and RFD is the wrong venue for that. 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 00:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Tavix and Ayana: While it is true that more than 10 buildings are located at the target, anybody using this redirect will find the top 10 tallest buildings in Moscow listed there. This is therefore a {{R to broader topic}}. We regularly create and keep redirects from titles like e "Tallest foo in Bar" to "List of foos in Bar (by height)" even though more than one foo is listed at the target (especially when there isn't a single clear answer or the single tallest foo does not have it's own article). I don't understand why this is any different? Redirects do not need to be encyclopadic titles, they just need to be plausible search terms and I am convinced this is an example of just that. Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I wouldn't create it, or encourage further similar creations, but there's nothing fundamentally wrong here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a plausible search term. It's quite clear that someone searching this would be taken to the right place. I think top 10 lists in general are common enough that it's not unlikely someone might think to search in this way. A7V2 (talk) 07:26, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Weak Keep. Overall I'm not a big fan of this sort of redirect, but at least this top 10 list is objective, so I don't see much harm in keeping it around. It looks like it gets a hit about every couple weeks. ―NK1406 talk•contribs 03:00, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Songs by Rock (rapper)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:18, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Former redirects to Rock (rapper). Not mentioned at new target. Jalen Folf (talk) 08:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Protected page[edit]

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Presidency of Mike Pence[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect is misleading. Mike Pence has never been president and there is no specific expectation that he will be in the future. —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 07:11, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. At this point in time any suggestion of Mike Pence being president of the US is pure speculation. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The phrase "Presidency of Mike Pence" assumes that Mike Pence has been President at some point in time. This is not the case. Furthermore, the Great America Committee hasn't explicitly stated that it desires Mike Pence to become President as far as I now. People just assume that the creation of the PAC is a political move. ―NK1406 talk•contribs 03:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as misleading speculation. If we needed to target it somewhere, this is probably the correct target, but we do not need a Presidency of Mike Pence title at all in the absence of any imminent likelihood or coverage of that occurring. ~ mazca talk 12:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. From a quick eyeballing of Special:PrefixIndex/Presidency of, it looks like all other similarly-named redirects are for people who were actually presidents. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 00:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Ladakh and Baltistan[edit]

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Daleri[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 7#Daleri

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