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August 8[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 8, 2020.

TamilThalaivas[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 15:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from this term's usage as the team's social media account and as a social media hashtag, none of which are reasonable for a redirect, the lack of a space in this title is implausible. Jalen Folf (talk) 18:54, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Implausible search term. CycloneYoris talk! 06:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – Recently-created CamelCase redirects are not allowed on Wikipedia. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 17:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    What policy or guideline says that? — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 01:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, it's not even camel case... signed, Rosguill talk 16:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, it being the team's social media account seems like a good enough reason to me, in the absence of any possible harm or confusion from this title. signed, Rosguill talk 16:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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... Trump, Trump of ...[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete (yes, all). Closers are supposed to assess the strength of arguments, not just count votes, but vote counts do matter, and there were just too many delete votes to ignore, even if argument quality varied among them. Thryduulf's analysis was good, and there was some support for his outlined actions. There should be no prejudice against individual recreation and discussion of these, especially if they're in a different form (e.g., disambiguation page rather than redirect to the same target), but please do consider some cooloff time if you're considering this route. --BDD (talk) 15:25, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not finding a connection to the targets as stated in their subject. Unlikely search terms, and what Trump is being referred to ... since it is not clear in the redirects? Steel1943 (talk) 00:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

...Also, I'm aware this may be somewhat of a pending WP:TRAINWRECK (WP:BEANS and all), but I'm nominating them together (for now) since they were all created by the same editor in a short span of time. Steel1943 (talk) 01:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all: May be considered an insult to either these people or Trump to compare them. Also it doesn't make sense to call these people as if they are variations of Trump, because they are world leaders in their own right. Because it's not clear what these would redirect to, according to WP:ASTONISH, they don't belong in Wikipedia.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 01:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. US-centered and nonsense. Borsoka (talk) 02:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all not useful, not mentioned in the targets that I checked. (t · c) buidhe 02:54, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all pointless. Coltsfan (talk) 03:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Neologisms likely used only by the page creator. Hog Farm Bacon 04:15, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep at least some as harmless and helpful. For example, Trump of Brazil and Trump of the UK are used to refer to their targets. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 06:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all as highly politicised nonsense. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 08:42, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. It is nonsense. --Bduke (talk) 08:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mixed, but fix the capitalisation of those I'm not recommending deletion for.
  • Delete all As per reasons per above, btw. I heard only comparison between Bolsonaro and Trump, though never the phrase "Trump of Brazil". On the other hand, Viktor Orbán have never been phrased as Trump of Hungary.(KIENGIR (talk) 11:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC))[reply]
    • What you have heard is not really relevant - it's clear that the majority of these are actually used when you do the research. Thryduulf (talk) 12:24, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all I'm no fan of any of these people but the redirects are clearly very partisan. Llewee (talk) 22:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments::
    • Does it matter if the epithets are ambiguous? Of the first three results I get for this Google search for "the Mexican Trump" that aren't fuzzy matches (like "I an [sic] the Mexican Trump" on a social media page or "The latest Tweets from The Mexican TRUMP Supporter" or "Says the Mexican: Trump is a much-needed 'kick in the nalgas ..."), while one of them uses it to describe President López Obrador, one confers the title on Gilberto Lozano, leader of the Frente Nacional Ciudadano, and one confers it on Ricardo Anaya.'
    • Is this Jeopardy!? Even if a clearly correct question for the answer "The Trump of Israel" is "Who is Benjamin Netanyahu?", are there sources that use "the Trump of Israel" as an epithet for Netanyahu both without already having referenced him by name and without being about to? If not, then there's no need for a redirect because readers coming across these epithets will see that they are just that, and will have the real names of the people to whom the epithets refer right in front of them. Largoplazo (talk) 18:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's not just about people who have the name in front of them. The redirect is also for the benefit of people who have heard/read the name in the past and don't know/can't remember/can't spell the name of the person referred to. Thryduulf (talk) 09:07, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • In that scenario I believe the person would still remember that it was just a metaphor they'd seen somewhere rather than a commonly used identifier for the person (in contrast to "Lady Di" for "Diana Spencer" or "Diana, Princess of Wales", for example), and would be vastly more likely to search for "the trump of israel" in a search engine to find out who is called that (and that might be all they need: having found out that it's Netanyahu, they might know perfectly well who that is and have no reason to look him up in an encyclopedia) than to expect Wikipedia to have an entry under that expression. That's what I was getting at with my reference to Jeopardy!: Coming up with the question ("Who is Benjamin Netanyahu?") to which "the Trump of Israel" is the answer isn't a task that calls for an encyclopedia. Largoplazo (talk) 21:21, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • If that were true then we would not have redirects from any nicknames. The fact is that regardless of whether you think people should use Wikipedia to look up using phrases like that, people do. Perhaps because they want to read encyclopaedic information about the person rather than just wanting to know their name, but it really doesn't matter why people use redirects like this, only that they do. The ones I'm recommending by kept are unambiguous, harmless and useful (The Indian one is harmless and useful but ambiguous, hence the recommendation to disambiguate). Thryduulf (talk) 23:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
            • I wasn't talking about nicknames and explicitly went out of my way to make the distinction between the matter at hand and nicknames (such as "Lady Di"). I also didn't say anything about what people should use Wikipedia for, I was expressing what I do expect does and doesn't happens in the scenario at hand (as opposed to the nickname scenario). You don't have to respond to this, but just know that the response you did give was a response to something other than what I'd written. Largoplazo (talk) 03:09, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
              • Epithets and nicknames are essentially the same for this purpose. Whatever you call names like this people do use them to find information about the subject on Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 08:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Thryduulf's suggestions as the least trainwreck-prone option that doesn't throw the baby out with the bathwater, although Largoplazo's comment above gives me pause about some of the particulars. signed, Rosguill talk 19:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all: Comparisons drawn by a handful of political commentators, not a really neutral thing. HalfdanRagnarsson (talk) 03:03, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep those recommended by Thryduulf because I can imagine myself using these the way Thryduulf says. Troll Control (talk) 05:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Unlikely search term. Noticeably absent from these deletion discussions is @J4lambert: who created these redirects. Perhaps he can shed light on why these were created?-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep This is funnyPeacetowikied (talk) 05:20, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all as unjustified political statements. Blythwood (talk) 12:22, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Joe Bishop-Henchman[edit]

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Hej (interjection)[edit]

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New way forward[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to New Way Forward and turn that page into a disambiguation. signed, Rosguill talk 21:40, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The current situation is obviously ridiculous. What to do about it? JBL (talk) 20:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Elliptical[edit]

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Template:Template:Infobox Pope styles[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete, G6. by User:Maile66 Lenticel (talk) 01:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This was left over from a page-moving operation in September 2019 to get its target to the correct title. This thing has been unused since that time, and might even be eligible for speedy deletion... Regards, SONIC678 16:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Sonic678: Double namespace redirect = usually WP:G6 eligible. Tagged {{Db-g6}} ... and most likely didn't need to be brought to RfD. Steel1943 (talk) 21:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for pointing it out. I wasn't sure which one it was eligible for at first. Regards, SONIC678 00:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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List of Members of Congress who have represented Erie, Pennsylvania[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 23:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A redirect for an article deleted at AFD. No other article/ with a title 'List of Members of Congress who have represented....' exist. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:05, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy keep, nomination is without merit. There are incoming links to that page and the redirect serves to provide our users with the information they may be seeking when they click, per wp:readers first. I'm going to assume the roof?, in his nomination statement above, made a typo while trying to say "No other article/redirect with a title 'List of Members of Congress who have represented...' exists." That's not a new argument - it was made at the AfD - but it's no reason to delete a valid redirect which, to be clear, points to a page containing information about Congresspersons representing Erie PA should anyone want it. I have RL stuff so I'm not going to engage with this pointless nomination further. Airbornemihir (talk) 17:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your failure to assume good faith and say I made a typo are appalling and the latter a personal attack.
The only article in article space that links to the Redirect is Erie Pennsylvania.
That there is no other redirect with the same title is a valid argument....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Now that this discussion is going into stoppage time, I might as well address a few more points.
  • The original deletion discussion was contentious and certainly not demonstrative of the kind of egregeity that would doom a subsequent redirect with no questions asked.
  • This redirect was initially proposed at the obvious venue, WT:Wikiproject U.S. Congress, where no objections were raised and the idea was endorsed (I'm referring to the "thank you for your edit" feature, which unfortunately does not generate a publicly visible log of thanked edits.)
  • Anticipating the possibility that the venue may not have been obvious to others, I linked the discussion in the edit summary while creating the redirect. I also left another note indicating that I had created the redirect to give editors overlooking my first note to respond.
  • On receiving the user talk notification of this redirect, I once again invited editors monitoring WT:Wikiproject U.S. Congress to comment, and offered here a shorter form of my readers-first rationale for making this redirect, that the benefit to users clicking on one of the incoming links outweighed any disadvantage of keeping the redirect around. I assume our users are competent and capable of finding Erie Congresspersons in a list of Pennsylvania Representatives and Pennsylvania Senators.
  • Speaking of disadvantages, what are they? None have been mentioned in the discussion so far. However, comments suggesting my completely nomination-focussed keep rationale included uncivil personal attacks have been left here and at my user talk page, the latter including a rather disconcerting template falsely stating my comments had been removed. Thankfully, no attempt was made to remove my comments nor my vote, which would have been at an entirely different level. To state the obvious, it is no personal attack to observe someone's typo or to note their deletion nomination as pointless.
If someone can explain to me why we're still discussing this, I wish they would do so.
Airbornemihir (talk) 17:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is only ONE article (in the mainspace that links to it, namely Erie, Pennsylvania. So what's the point of it?20:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldRingChip (talk • contribs)
    • Note that the lead of RfD does state: Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 20:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The target does not list Members of Congress who have represented Erie. "Erie" isn't even mentioned at the target. -- Tavix (talk) 15:57, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete per Tavix. Actively misleading. —Xezbeth (talk) 09:25, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Tavix and Xezbeth. Not mentioned in the target, and a reader will find no information there. Narky Blert (talk) 12:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Medium Rarities[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that these redirects should no longer exist. There are now three different albums that share the same name, all of which are B-side/cover compilation albums by Weird Al Yankovic (Medium Rarities), Cattle Decapitation (Medium Rarities (album)), and now Mastodon (Medium Rarities (Mastodon album)). Since none are standard releases (meaning original music belonging to the main discography), none seem to be classic albums in the way Thriller (album) or Back In Black are, and all are relatively recent works (2017, 2018, and 2020 respectively), it doesn't seem like any should be the recipient of redirects from the term "Medium Rarities". Since there are now three bands using that name for an album, it seems to me that the best option is to delete the two current redirects and replace them with individual specific redirects to allow users to select which album they want to find in Wikipedia's search bar: Medium Rarities (Mastodon album), Medium Rarities (Cattle Decapitation album), Medium Rarities ("Weird Al" Yankovic album). A disambiguation page for this term could also be helpful as the main redirect for Medium Rarities when the artist is not specified. Superken67 (talk) 16:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • "Medium rarities" is also a term used by stamp collectors,1 coin collectors,23 and record collectors.4 Narky Blert (talk) 14:53, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Bridges Hall[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 04:38, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to a page that does not mention Bridges Hall. The term is also ambiguous, given that there's also Bridges Hall of Music at Pomona College and perhaps other buildings as well. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 10:04, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Kaptar[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Caphtor#Mari Tablets. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 04:37, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Term not mentioned in given target. Hildeoc (talk) 09:02, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Monocles[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:02, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Created as a redirect, unused for 6 years. Delete? Tom (LT) (talk) 04:34, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Monocle[edit]

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Nethersaxe[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:59, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't appear to actually be another name for the target, no relevant results in an internet or Scholar search. The redirects appear to be original portmanteaus of English Nether- (as in Nettherlands) and German Saxe, in the latter case using an archaic eth. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 03:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. The only use I found, as "Nether Saxe", was this from 1740; but that does not justify a redirect spelt differently (one word rather than two). Eth has been obsolete in English for 700 years; the Icelandic name for Lower Saxony, the only major language which still uses it, is is:Neðra-Saxland. Indeed, most European languages (the exceptions are English, Greek and Icelandic) don't have the "dh" and "th" sounds at all, and the "eth" version looks WP:MADEUP. Narky Blert (talk) 09:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Fire alarm paradox[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article "Unexpected hanging paradox" mentions about the fire drill, but it does not mention anything about a fire alarm. The redirect is unnecessary because the article has nothing to do about the fire alarm. It only mentions about the hanging surprise, other paradox, and schools. Seventyfiveyears at 02:05, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Not mentioned in the article. A search turned up Paradox, a company which makes alarm systems; a candidate for confusion. Narky Blert (talk) 10:06, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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