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February 21[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 21, 2019.

Park Street, Cambridge[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:41, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect target is an article on a different street that happens to intersect Park Street, but the article doesn't mention that fact at all (nor should it). Redirecting to the Cambridge article wouldn't be helpful. Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep – I added mention of the street and the ADC Theatre there under Jesus Lane. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 21:35, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: even a complete lack of a mention isn't a reason to delete a redirect. It isn't misleading, spam, abusive, highly unlikely, or any of the other standard reasons to get rid. Now that the redirect target mentions it, it is a nailed-on keep. Lithopsian (talk) 21:42, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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ATTINGAL PARVATHIPURAM GRAMOM - SREE MAHA GANAPATHY TEMPLE[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RCAPS UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:42, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as unlikely capitalization --Lenticel (talk) 01:42, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Cogency[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in given target article. Hildeoc (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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THE TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. DELETE ~ Amory (u • t • c) 02:26, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RCAPS, this subject has no affinity with all caps. -- Tavix (talk) 19:07, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Flow arts[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 02:27, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no indication of how this redirect relates to its cross-namespace target. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:32, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I made the redirect, have been involved in "flow arts" since before 'flow' was a common term. In those days, 'Dexterity Play' was a common term for playing with toys that require or build dexterity, and the articles in the category are articles involving 'toys' and 'props' used for dexterity play AKA flow arts. If we had an article on flow arts, then we would not need a redirect, we would refer to the category in the article. right now it may be nearly impossible to have an NPOV article on flow arts. Try it and see. User:Pedant (talk) 22:50, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would have no problem with retargeting to List of skill toys, which is the target for the dexterity play redirect. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:05, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
would be awesome if someone made sure the list has all the toys/props/tools/gear/arts included in the category from which the redirect was made. Otherwise I think this one is solved/done and ready to archive the discussion. Thanks to anyone involved! User:Pedant (talk) 01:30, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That is separate maintenance that is unrelated to the redirect discussion. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:18, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. From my understanding, List of skill toys is not going to be what someone searching "flow arts" expects to find. Properly a red link. --Bsherr (talk) 17:22, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisting comment: The above discussion seems worth considering further.
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Delete Per nominator; makes no sense. --Geolodus (talk) 18:31, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I have to agree with what has already been said here. A loose necktie (talk) 04:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Robert de La Salle[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 02:16, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sbalfour (talk · contribs) blanked this redirect saying "no citation can be found to support this - it is not his name". I haven't researched this and I myself have no opinion - this is a procedural nomination. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 20:57, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect page mixes part of a name and part of a title, of which there are numerous variants. This page name used to be an alternate title of the article itself, and challenged [citation required]. I cannot find a scholarly citation that states his name thus, so I deleted the errant name. Robert La Salle for example, was another person, a prominent resident of New Orleans in the 1800's but not notable enough to have a wiki article. Is that the same name as Robert de La Salle? I'd say it is, and that it's just another wayward misspelling. The page name is not the name of anyone and shouldn't point, well, anywhere. Sbalfour (talk) 21:26, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, whether it is incorrect or not it is used in various sources (e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], etc) so it's very likely people will use this search term when looking for the Wikipedia article about him. What matters for redirects is that they are useful search terms, not necessarily correct (see Category:Redirects from incorrect names), correcting misconceptions, etc is the job of the target article. Thryduulf (talk) 13:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep per Thryduulf's identification of sources that use the form. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Thyrduulf. It doesn't matter if the name is correct or incorrect, readers could be searching for this name, and the primary objective is to point them to the right place. Any confusion can be cleared up in the article. Narky Blert (talk) 09:40, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Ica/ica-refactor[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Temporary title left over from move. I have several similar cases. Would it be helpful for me to continue listing these singly, together or not at all; or do they qualify for a speedy G6? Certes (talk) 16:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as housekeeping. I would G6 pages like this as 'unambiguously created in error'. Narky Blert (talk) 12:01, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as housekeeping --Lenticel (talk) 01:42, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Temperance/redirs[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Temporary page left over from round robin move. Certes (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as housekeeping. (The one time I left a page behind like that, I spotted it and embarrassedly WP:G7ed myself.) Narky Blert (talk) 12:02, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete as housekeeping --Lenticel (talk) 13:24, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Havoc/disambiguation2[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not a helpful search term. Non-musical forms of havoc are available. Certes (talk) 16:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Swinging/Archive 1[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not a search term for target. Talk:Swinging/Archive 1 has significant content and should be kept, but the mainspace redirect can go. Certes (talk) 15:51, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Czechs/First Archive[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Title not relevant to target. No significant history or talk page. Certes (talk) 15:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - not a relevant search target.Onel5969 TT me 16:36, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as confusing. Looks like someone wanted to make a talk archive for the page. --Lenticel (talk) 01:52, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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History.com/games.do[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Closed online games page not covered on Wikipedia Certes (talk) 15:43, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as confusing at best since we don't cover the game and it no longer active in the first place --Lenticel (talk) 01:51, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Henry VI or Henry VII[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:40, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unhelpful "either/or" redirect, where the reader could more easily look up the option they seek. Makes other Henrys harder to find. See also WP:XY. Certes (talk) 15:15, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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List of First Ladies and Gentlemen of Brazil[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 March 1#List of First Ladies and Gentlemen of Brazil

Glory God and gold[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. This has been here for three and a half weeks, and I don't think we've reached a good consensus. The keeps have stronger arguments, although I don't find them to be particularly strong arguments for the current target, just not to delete them. A potential retarget candidate makes a good point (and is perhaps the reason why this is a no consensus keep rather than leaning keep) but has been untouched for over two weeks. We could relist this, but I don't think we're getting anywhere beyond the status quo. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 02:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Neither God, gold, glory (in any order) nor the three G's appear in the target article, which may be confusing for someone looking for specific information about either of these phrases. -- Tavix (talk) 18:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. These redirects might cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:32, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep unless there are competing uses. It's anecdotally ascribed to various sources that early European seafarers sought new oceanic trade routes to Asia and Africa ("gold") at a time when all of the major overland routes were controlled by Muslims ("god"), and of course for their own achievement ("glory"). I'm having trouble finding a reliable source for this but see this (which might be someone's homework). The search for new routes to Asia led Columbus to crash in the west Indies, which has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. (Perhaps European colonization of the Americas would be a better target) Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:36, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Confusion not a common description or alternate name OrlandoCityFan (talk) 20:38, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Funny, this makes me think of "The Virginia Company" from Pocahontas (n.b., the phrase isn't used at Virginia Company or London Company). I understand the current targeting, though also how they could be confusing for readers. Glory, God and Gold is apparently a book by Paul Wellman, though that seems like it would be a huge WP:SURPRISE. --BDD (talk) 22:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, (at least for those that are spelled out); a Google Books search brings up multiple relevant results: [5][6][7][8]. It seems a common enough phrase summing up the motivations for imperialism. Huon (talk) 14:25, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Retarget to Age of Exploration. Most searches point to a number of school presentations for that part of the exploration (European settlements in the Americas), although the imperialism article discuses early imperialism 15-19th century. Here's encyclopedia.com [9] and National Humanities Center website [10] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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LLoyd Bridges[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. So, this is delete, but only because all the non-delete ones were struck a week ago. I initially was going to relist this, despite seeing consensus, and got so far as to write the following:

This is probably overly-pedantic, and I apologize for that, but the items "officially" nominated here have changed a few times over the course of this discussion. While there does appear to be a consensus about what to do (as evidenced by the nominator's strikes)

In the end, there's a consensus here about what to do — had the nominator not struck all the LL titles, my close of that would have resulted in the same outcome as this close — so I felt it improper to relist this in the face of a consensus for action. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 02:42, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect is not accurate: capitalising Viblandi is indeed correct, but Villamil is not correct: the surname of the engineer is either "Cantero" or "Cantero Villamil", according to the Spanish naming convention.

Now, it is also not clear whether adding the surname at the beginning is adequate. Which Wikipedia convention supports this change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Espigaymostaza (talk • contribs) 16:54, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]


DElete STicky shift key creates typos. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:29, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • DElete. Sentence-case versions exist for all the lists except List of LMS, which would be ambiguous. Certes (talk) 13:52, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    ...but there may be a case for keeping the ones beginning with LL as this is a single letter in Welsh, Spanish, etc. as we do with Dutch IJ in IJmuiden etc. Certes (talk) 15:46, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I intentionally left off any double Ls that had any close connection to Welsh, Catalan, etc., such as Lluís del Milà → Luis de Milán. None of the above (David Lloyd George arguable exception) have such a connection. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • rElist, it took me a moment to see the concern, so I would like more eyes on this; there is a broad array of relevant wikiprojects that need notifying and someone ought to read MOs;CAPs for the rule on this. cygnis insignis 15:04, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm neutral on whether to keep these, but if they are, the US employers one should be retargeted to List of largest employers in the United States. Smartyllama (talk) 15:18, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all LI's. Keep all LL's. Not only is there the single Welsh letter, but also, younger users (as happened in one of my classrooms the other day), might mistakenly capitalize both of the LL's in certain names (although in that instance, the child typed in LLoyd Bridges, and they couldn't understand why there was no article on him. Onel5969 TT me 16:13, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom, including the "LL" redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 16:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Redirects for this kind of typographical error are unnecessary. When no page is found, the error will be noticed by the user, or the search results will indicate the correct page. --Bsherr (talk) 17:24, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. STicky FIngers on shift keys do create typos, which is why the LIght Year (Isakov song) redirect was created back in 2012 (before the WP search engine would ignore such a typo). These days such redirects are not needed; however, they are harmless. My instinct says "keep", but not really averse to deletion. Paine Ellsworth, ed.  put'r there  17:41, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the "LL"s. At worst, keeping them is harmless. And as noted above, such typos do occur. Michael Hardy (talk) 18:33, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all/ without prejudice to smaller nominations - there are too many different redirects with different (alleged) problems. Thryduulf (talk) 15:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural keep on LL. I don't know much about Welsh, but I know it has an affinity for initial double L, and perhaps it's plausible (at least) to capitalise both of them. It's potentially a different situation from the English names beginning with LI, so we ought to be able to look at them separately. Please withdraw the LLs, and renominate them if you disagree with the keep-the-LLs reasons given above. The concept that no Welsh topics were nominated is incorrect; for example, our knowledge of Llywarch Hen is heavily dependent on the Bonedd Gwŷr y Gogledd, a Welsh document, and as a sixth-century Brythonic figure, he's closely connected to the Welsh even aside from the language of the earliest sources. Nyttend (talk) 22:45, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Salem-Keizer, Oregon[edit]

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Spunti e ricerche;[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 11:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Semi-colon makes this an implausable redirect and of no real use. PC78 (talk) 00:31, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Spunge (album[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 11:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Missing closing bracket makes this an implausable redirect and of no real use. PC78 (talk) 00:31, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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