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June 26[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 26, 2018.

Ghazala Khan (American)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was withdrawn. -- Tavix (talk) 21:22, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary disambiguation: there is only one Ghazala Khan, and the title already redirects to the correct article. — JFG talk 20:23, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, sorry, I just noticed we have Honour killing of Ghazala Khan, so the redirect is useful. I'll go add another one for Ghazala Khan (Dutch). — JFG talk 20:29, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done Nomination withdrawn. — JFG talk 20:32, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Luigi’s Mansion[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:39, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What we have here is some who created a redirect from the title using a single quotation mark to the title using an apostrophe. Now I have an IP over at AFC/R wanting to create redirects from single quotation marks for a variety of titles, even though (as far as I'm aware) it isn't even possible to type a single quotation mark on a standard keyboard. Not a likely search term, let's get rid of the precedent. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:34, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete- I've personally declined the AFC/R for "Rubik’s Cube" twice over now. Looking at the page for quotation mark#Keyboard layouts, we can see that Typographical quotation marks are almost absent on keyboards, only appearing in complex keystrokes with Alt Gr or ⌥ Opt. <RetroCraft314 /> 16:32, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • I wouldn't describe <compose>'' (and/or <compose>'<space>) which is how it is out-the-box on at least most systems using Xwindows as "complex" in the slightest. Thryduulf (talk) 08:09, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - implausible redirect, no reasonable way someone would accidentally type that. Jon Kolbert (talk) 17:51, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Apostrophe#Unicode —51.253.34.45 (talk) 21:20, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per 51.253.34.45 - entirely plausible. I would not be declining the other requested redirects either. Thryduulf (talk) 23:35, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete if this behaviour is really desireable it should be done at the Mediawiki level (same way we handle spaces -> underscores and Unicode normalisation like 成 -> 成) rather than ad hoc by creating tens of thousands of redirects. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:16, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • That would be very significantly undesirable because there is no one single correct form - there are articles where the correct title includes ' and others where the correct title includes ’. It is also possible that what is deemed the correct one in any given circumstance may differ between projects. Thryduulf (talk) 09:08, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've seen topics where an 'okina or standalone grave accent or such is correct (usually involving transcription from other languages) and replacement by a straight-quote would probably be considered be incorrect, but aside from those, WP:TSC discourages the use of special apostrophe-like characters in article titles, and I'm not aware of any where replacing a curly-apostrophe by a straight quote would be incorrect. Do you have concrete examples? In any case, if desired behaviour differs between projects, it can be made configurable, just like some Mediawiki installations (e.g. Wiktionary) re-enable case-sensitivity of the first letter in titles. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 00:31, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: A reader may have copied and pasted their search term from a source which uses apostrophes rather than straight quotes. PamD 09:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for the simple fact that no images that I can find for the artwork/logo for Luigi's Mansion use the style of apostrophe as displayed in the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 19:31, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why does that matter? The only question is whether this redirect is useful for finding the target article, and the answer to that is unquestionably yes. Thryduulf (talk) 20:28, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • I just don't see "Luigi[Alt+0146]s mansion" as a likely typo. Steel1943 (talk) 03:25, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • I agree it's an unlikely typo, but that is not the only reason for a redirect to exist - it's a valid alternative search term. Luigi<deadkey>''s is the sort of thing that is likely to be typed by someone used to formatting apostrophes that way in prose (as just one example). The curly apostrophe is also plausibly going to be copied and pasted from a source that formats with curly apostrophes. Thryduulf (talk) 07:57, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – ’ is a curly apostrophe. “Luigi’s Mansion” is not a typo, and I don’t think it’s an implausible term/spelling. Interqwark talk contribs 03:52, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Interqwark: It looks like it is, but it isn't, and if you type a curly apostrophe into the search bar, MediaWiki processes it as an apostrophe: the only way to get to the title I nominated for deletion is by copying and pasting (or using keys) to generate a single quotation mark character. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 04:42, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete - ’ has no more affinity to this title than any other containing an apostrophe. Unless it is reasonable to create a similar redirect for every title containing an apostrophe, this one cannot be justified merely because it exists. Weak due to its old age. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:25, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is reasonable to create a similar redirect for every title containing an apostrophe for the exact reasons cited above why this is a useful redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 22:56, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm not even about to guess how many article titles there are with apostrophes in them. I agree with 59.149.124.29 on this one: if there's really support for this, it should be done at the MediaWiki level. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 04:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'd just like to note that the first IP (51.253.34.45, not our 59 regular) has been blocked as a sock evading a block, and put forth a number of Luigi Mansion redirects at WP:AFC/R
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:24, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the Wikipedia search needs to handle those curved apostrophes, not by creating redirects for every article that has an apostrophe. This would be like creating redirects for Cyrillic A on all words that begin with A. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • No it wouldn't - that's about as likely as using I (Cyrillic) on words that begin with I; this is more like the redirects that use hyphens as substitute for the dashes in article titles. Peter James (talk) 22:08, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Cyrillic A to Latin A is not at all comparable as ' and ´ are part of the same script - "Аdam" (with a Cyrillic first letter and the remainder Latin letters) is always going to be an error, but "Adam's" and "Adam´s" are both equally valid. I've explained elsewhere why MediaWiki treating the characters as identical is a bad thing, and while the search engine finding results for ' when ´ is entered as a search term (and vice versa) would be a good idea this will help only those people who use the internal search engine (which is far from everybody). Thryduulf (talk) 12:02, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Compassionate727: I've already explained why doing this at the MediaWiki level would be a bad idea, and it would also be seriously harmful to WikiSource where representing the original typography is a requirement. There is no limit on the number of redirects that can exist, and this is (as Peter James notes) comparable to creating redirects between titles with hypens and various types of dashes which we do uncontroversially already. Thryduulf (talk) 12:02, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for consistency with the general deprecation of apostrophe-like characters in both text and titles.
As a rule we redirect from article names with simple characters to their specialised counterparts (apostrophe -> grave accent, hyphen -> endash, etc.), not the other way around. --pmj (talk) 01:08, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of instances of the exact opposite (but see also WP:OTHERSTUFF) - what matters is not the complexity of the characters, nor Wikipedia's in-house style, but whether this is a useful search term. It is demonstrated above that it is a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 13:55, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Midquel, Interquel, Sidequel, Paraquel[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Delete Midquel, Interquel and Paraquel. There is consensus that Sidequel is a useful redirect but no consensus about whether it should be kept as is or retargeted, the default in this situation is keep, which is what I've gone for here, but this is without prejudice to retargetting. Thryduulf (talk) 13:59, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Was previously discussed for: Neologism which is unreferenced in dictionaries. Result was Keep, but since then, the unsourced paragraphs have been first cut short in Nov-2015 and then dropped in Aug-2017. Which means that neither of these terms is mentioned/explained in the target article. }} Enyavar (talk) 13:05, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom as it is strongly suggested this was a neologism started by Wikipedia as per this news article in 2016. [1] Retarget Sidequel to Spin-off (media) article, as there's an entry for it posted in 2006 and some news articles refer to it [2] [3] [4] [5] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:58, 30 May 2018 (UTC) updated 02:10, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • STRONGLY Keep per previous discussions, but retarget "Sidequel" to Spin-off (media). "Midquel" and "Sidequel" are actual phrases that people use. There's even "interquel" in Wiktionary and as a Wikipedia category! Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:06, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 11:07, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Appearing in Wiktionary isn't a good reason for it to be kept. They should spin out to soft redirects to Wiktionary then, not go to sequel where it is not discussed. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:25, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the terms were removed from the same article you now suggest inserting them into. The statistics suggest that they were heavily looked up here, but only in 2016 (Midquel from Dec-15 to Dec-16 and Interquel from Nov-15 to Feb-17. I believe these two terms to be buzzwords that quickly faded away; although they do have an article at TV tropes. Paraquel gets cinsiderably less than 10 hits per month and is not even listed at TVt; Sidequel is the only one that is consistently searched here more than 100 times per month. This last one was suggested to be re-redirected to Spinoff, and I agree. So, only delete the other 3, I guess? --Enyavar (talk) 17:30, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I read this as leaning delete (except for sidequel), especially given the arguments for keep in the previous RfD, but let's give it one more relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:22, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all except for Sidequel Other than Sidequel, these are neologisms with manufactured notability and no consistent meaningful usage. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  19:12, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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UPenn CAS[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Keep all. Thryduulf (talk) 14:03, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely redirect. Part of a forest created by User:Billinefugue of every combination of abbreviations of the parent and subunit/components of this school. DMacks (talk) 19:47, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And likewise:

DMacks (talk) 19:51, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, seems to have use as an abbreviation for the college. Examples include: [6] [7] [8]. -- Tavix (talk) 00:23, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Tavix found uses, but relisting in the interest of more participation should this sort of thing arise in the future
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Telugu Nadu[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 6#Telugu Nadu

Kean Rabuyo (Filipino actor)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Person not mentioned at target (which lists only actors with articles) nor anywhere else in Wikipedia, and I can't find any WP:RS in order to expand it into an article. The base title Kean Rabuyo was deleted three times in 2015 and got WP:SALTed in the end. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 09:31, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom as extension of the multiple AFDs which didn't even suggest a redirect. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:16, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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ProCaster[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 6#ProCaster

Wikipedia:MOVER[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikipedia:Moving a page. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:57, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

It is ambitious, it can mean file mover and pager mover. B dash (talk) 08:39, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, it doesn't need to exist. The editor whose username is Z0 09:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Rapstep[edit]

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The result of the discussion was soft delete as unopposed. Thryduulf (talk) 14:09, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in any article (excluding one where it's listed as a genre for one song). No indication of significance and no evidence of legitimacy. The editor whose username is Z0 06:40, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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House trap[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 6#House trap

Chilltrap[edit]

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The result of the discussion was soft delete as unopposed. Thryduulf (talk) 14:10, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in any article, no indication of significance or legitimacy. The editor whose username is Z0 06:29, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Sabeism[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Keep. Thryduulf (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of the term in the target article: is it the set of beliefs of the Sabians? If so, please add this to the article, sourced. At present, no indication that it is a useful redirect. PamD 21:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But not really useful to the reader unless someone adds a mention of the term into the article to show that this is what it means, rather than leave them guessing//assuming. PamD 22:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory (u • t • c) 00:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep if it's a synonym of the target. Regardless of whether the precise term is mentioned there, I don't believe any reader who searches for "Sabeism" and arrives at an article about a religious group titled the "Sabians" will get confused. We really shouldn't shy from extending the assumption of common sense to our readers (I'm surprised Wikipedia:Assume common sense doesn't exist). – Uanfala (talk) 19:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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County Road 344A (Gilchrist County, Florida)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 15:29, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

County Road 344A (CR 344A) doesn't exist. It is a typo on the Florida Department of Transportation's Gilchrist County map for a road that is actually signed as CR 334A. Morriswa (Charlotte Allison) (talk) 00:01, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If it's an scrivener's error by FDOT, wouldn't keeping the redirect be beneficial? – TheGridExe (talk) 13:53, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Redirects are cheap. –Fredddie™ 15:53, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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XY Female[edit]

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The result of the discussion was kept as dab page. Procedural close, This is not the correct venue for this discussion, the redirect was recently made into a dab page, which was reverted to a redirect again. the IP nom was just objecting to the reversion back to redirect. This can be resolved with discussion on the talk page of the page in question. (non-admin closure) — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 04:13, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are other types of XY Female --2001:2D8:E297:D0:0:0:BAC8:6A02 (talk) 01:09, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

--2001:2D8:E297:D0:0:0:BAC8:6A02 (talk) 01:09, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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