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April 5[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 5, 2017.

Van Buren Democrat Party[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 April 12#Van Buren Democrat Party

Less ripe (wine)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 April 15#Less ripe (wine)

Less sleep[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 April 15#Less sleep

The Average One[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:56, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects need not be neutral, but that doesn't mean pejorative redirects to BLPs are at all advisable. Neither of these are especially well used, nor are they mentioned in the article. (For reference, these parody "The Special One", a more common nickname which is used in his article.) There's little to no value in keeping these, and some harm in doing so.

Now that I think of it, I'm not sure if "The Happy One" is meant as pejorative or not. And of course, there's nothing in the article to help me determine that. So let's call it confusing at best, pejorative at worst. --BDD (talk) 21:14, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --BDD (talk) 21:17, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep "The Happy One". It seems this is not at all pejorative, and is what he asked the media to call him BBC Sport. It wouldn't harm to mention it in the article though - the amount of coverage it got (and seemingly occasionally still does) would seem to justify it, although football really isn't my field (no pun intended). Thryduulf (talk) 22:03, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment "The Average One" on it's own gets all sorts of hits about things that happen to be the average (rent in New York city, price of fruit, length of planks of wood, you name it). "The Average One" Mourinho does get lots of hits in reliable sources. Unsurprisingly perhaps it's the obvious thing for sports writers to call him when he isn't doing well - particularly it seems when he got sacked from Chelsea. It's not being used to insult or denigrate him but neither is it flattering - more a sort of bring him down to earth sort of term. If it were mentioned in the article I'd say to keep it, but as it isn't I'm on the fence about it. Thryduulf (talk) 22:13, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both - not used widely. GiantSnowman 17:53, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both used mainly in 2013 as a quote, not kept as a nickname or branded beyond that. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 10:15, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Roald Dahl task force[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:55, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Double "Wikipedia:" namespace in title. However, per its edit history, this redirect wasn't created in error. Delete. Steel1943 (talk) 18:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Wikipedia:The Musical[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) feminist 15:34, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Double "Wikipedia:" namespace in the title that's a {{R from move}}. However, in this case, the title may be helpful since it's a page in the "Wikipedia:" namespace about a subject named "Wikipedia:The Musical". (Seeking input on this: consider me "neutral".) Steel1943 (talk) 17:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a useful redirect, since the event was actually called Wikipedia:The Musical, like Hamilton: An American Musical (I was there for this theatrical extravaganza!).--Pharos (talk) 19:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Pharos: I bet this event was a lot of fun! Makes me wish I was both in the area and also actively editing Wikipedia at the time. Steel1943 (talk) 20:36, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Pharos (although I wasn't there). I'm actually not sure I'd vote against moving the page back to this title. Thryduulf (talk) 19:48, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    @Thryduulf: Yeah, I'd say it would probably be best to move it back since the subject is not called "Project:The Musical". Steel1943 (talk) 20:38, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Needle inside a ball of cotton[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 May 1#Needle inside a ball of cotton

Chubby little leader[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted. BLP vio. – Juliancolton | Talk 16:27, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a BLP violation, and certainly questionable as a useful redirect regardless. CrowCaw 16:00, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:CONTEXT[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep, though I will add a hatnote as requested. --BDD (talk) 16:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading, and was a personal WP:SURPRISE when I went looking for policy on how much context is needed in an article. Mr. Guye (talk) 23:17, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Without objection, I'll assume my suggestion would work then. Retarget there. -- Tavix (talk) 13:37, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retain in some form as there are approximately 2075 existing links to this title. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 11:09, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 15:55, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retain and disambiguate at target (section) for second use. Widefox; talk 09:38, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would oppose a disambiguation. It's a shortcut redirect, it's fine for them to be ambiguous (even though I'm not seeing ambiguity here). If it's converted to a disambiguation page, it can no longer be used as a shortcut. -- Tavix (talk) 15:54, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retain (and add hatnote at target) unless someone decides to take up the task of fixing all the two thousand or so incoming links. – Uanfala (talk) 11:01, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:TANTRUM[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikipedia:Don't throw your toys out of the pram. (non-admin closure) – Train2104 (t • c) 15:17, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are quite a few places this could go to. I thought it would go to Wikipedia:Don't throw your toys out of the pram. Mr. Guye (talk) 15:23, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Brexit 1975[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 April 17#Brexit 1975

CH Gayle[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy retarget to Chris Gayle. -- Tavix (talk) 18:48, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Chris Gayle JZCL 10:57, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Notability (criminal acts)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:51, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to have been created in error, but per the redirect's edit history, it seems as though it may have been intentional. Steel1943 (talk) 05:13, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Odtue[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) WP:FIRSTSENTENCE of lede says it is also known as ODTÜ, " in Turkish, Orta Doğu Teknik Üniversitesi". Not Germanic but Turkish. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 02:26, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment ODTUE is red. Si Trew (talk) 02:27, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not in target article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:35, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete even if this were Germanic, initialisms don't get translated/transcribed this way. Thryduulf (talk) 19:54, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Gy'mir[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) According to the target, he is also known as Gymir, but not Gy'mir. WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. Si Trew (talk) 02:21, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The only relevant use of of "Gy'mir" I can find is here but that is an OCR error for "Gýmir". If it were a common error I'd support keeping the redirect but it doesn't appear to be. Thryduulf (talk) 07:25, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Chatham-Kent--Essex[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Withddrawn. Thryduulf (talk) 07:26, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot). The em dash goes to double hyphen again. What is interesting here, or not, is that this is obviously English names but has the French linguistic trend of the way it does the names of station lines. I think for this one it is fairly simple delete, but I shall summon up by the powers of Wikipedia User:Mjroots who may or may not know the standards of how we name railway lines in English-speaking Ontario. The hyphens seem inconsistent both sides of the "kent" anyway, but that's cos it's from Chatham-Kent to Essex; that's normal in French typography but not here at EN:WP, which makes it WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 02:13, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks User:Tavix. Take it as withdrawn, please. Si Trew (talk) 02:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Georges Huee[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Not Germanic but French. This one really threw me, it's obvious really it just put "u umlaut" to "ue", but when you actually understand the language it is worse. It is easier when you don't immediately clock it as wrong, and do it kinda pattern matching linguistically rather than what was that past fog george had (I guess, when the translation button doesn't get pressed) this really threw me for a few seconds. Si Trew (talk) 02:08, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This spelling does get a very small number of google hits, but not in anything I'm confident calling a reliable source and with only 3 hits last year it's safe to say this is unused. Thryduulf (talk) 07:31, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Trungpa tuelkus[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Not Germanic but Tibetan. Si Trew (talk) 02:05, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The only google hits seem sourced from Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 07:32, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Hoeoer Municipality[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus was back in december with German via Swedish to English we don't do oeoe, it would be oo or oe, not the qualigature or whatever you want to call oeoe. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Please don't make me check back, you know it was. Si Trew (talk) 02:04, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. All but one of the Google hits for this is obviously sourced from Wikipedia, and the exception may also be. Thryduulf (talk) 07:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Migros Tuerk[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 April 15#Migros Tuerk

Head oeoed[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) not germanic but Estonian (Finno-Ugric). WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 01:59, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Seaca River (Tarlung)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) – Train2104 (t • c) 14:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) I've brought this up a couple of times with no real consensus, but no consensus that there is no consensus, i.e. I think it was passed over. My argument is that the dias here are only in the disambiguation parenthesis of the title and are not part of the title proper. I think User:Thryduulf contributed to previous discussions on this but I don't think there was ever much a conclusion. My argument, as I put and still stands, was that disambigations are to disambiguate, so that to add an ambiguity by having two ways of saying the disambiguation instead of one, does not help, but harms, the ability of people to search. If I may put words in Thryduulf's mouth, it is to say "does no harm, gets people to where they want to go". It is on the cusp of the balance, but I see no harm in deleting it, whereas the harm in keeping it is evident: we must discuss it. Si Trew (talk) 01:50, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Seems to me a useful redirect for users without easy access to diacritics. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I'm afraid I don't see how any harm in keeping this can exist. Multiple ways to disambiguate something is not an example of confusion, but rather a standard way to assist people in finding the page they want to read or link to (cf {{R from other disambiguation}}, {{R from incorrect disambiguation}}, {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}, etc). Not everybody is able to type all diacritics in all environments, nor should we expect them to be able to - I don't know the compose key sequence for breve accents for example and I have a lot more knowledge of this than average. Thryduulf (talk) 07:22, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a bog standard {{R to diacritics}}. I don't see what difference it makes if the diacritics are in the disambiguator rather than the title proper. – Uanfala (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Sprakebuell[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep since it's been determined that it's a German name. -- Tavix (talk) 15:45, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Well I can sprake bull at the best of times, but we need some consensus on these Danish ones. Not many of em. Si Trew (talk) 01:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. I'm seeing lots of uses of this spelling unrelated to Wikipedia. Most commonly on stock photo websites for some reason, but it seems likely that people using such stock photos will keep the labels given when using them (or search for more information when writing their own caption) and thus this is a plausible redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 07:40, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's intersting, User:Thryduulf. I wonder if it's a stock term in the JPEG 2000#Metadata or whatever, then, i.e. the camera records various things outside the image data proper, such as time of day, lens settings, "Sprakebuell" and so on. I shouldn't be surprised if it was, and then copying from site to site would tend to preserve that. I am sure Thryduulf is well aware of all that, it is just a supposition, do you think that could be where you get the hits from? If so, it would suggest it is a kinda cookie encoded in the metadata, hidden in plain sight. Si Trew (talk) 09:27, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
From my limited understanding of how metadata works, if this is a metadata issue, then what will happen is that the camera will note the coordinates (taken from GPS) of the location the photograph was taken and store them. It is far from implausible that a lookup of those coordinates could add the name of the place to the metadata when the images are being processed. However, I've never purchased a stock photograph and so don't know what metadata the image will come with (although I'd be very surprised if didn't come with at the very least a copyright field and it would seem odd to remove things like the date and time). It doesn't really matter though why it's being used only that it is. Thryduulf (talk) 09:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sort of. JPEG allows you, even before 2000 that was just the simplest link I thought, to store extra information against the photo. This is not part of the image itself, it's not cryptography. So you can add a picture caption, it will add the F settings of your camera pretty much automatically, add the brand of camera, that kind of thing. The stuff you see when you look at the bottom of a page on Wikimedia Commons, all that stuff. Now, it would not surprise me in the least if a software engineer was told to add a field to brand their camera and just threw in "Sprakebull" as "Talking bullshit" to get round some Pointy Haired Boss demand, so that is where my curiosity lay. Contrary to popular opinion, most software engineers do not lay easter eggs, if there is any kind of peer review, although I set aside most of december for one person to make the most fantastic demo to send to our clients, with a total abuse of the 3d molecular modelling software to build snowmen and icy scenes etc out of atoms with a certain van de waals radius and mesoscale backgrounds and essentially entirely abusing the software, torturing it to make these seasonal scenes all in glorious cinemascope 3D. Customers loved it, we loved doing it, and it really tested our software, so everyone was happy. Si Trew (talk) 09:49, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sprakebüll appears to be the German version of the name of the place, not the Danish. --Hegvald (talk) 00:28, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Toegroeg, Govi-Altai[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 April 15#Toegroeg, Govi-Altai

Sebastian Proedl[edit]

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. Thryduulf (talk) 07:44, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not Germanic but Australian. Tricky one. Si Trew (talk) 01:40, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Not Australian but Austrian. Not tricky. -- Tavix (talk) 01:54, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdrawn as keep. Not sure how I misread that, obviously if Austrian then keep. Was only the fact that I wondered what to do with an australian surname with an accent that had me bring it here. (Cleans glasses.) Si Trew (talk) 07:31, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Voers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Nem nemetul hanem magyarul. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 01:38, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I'm seeing lots of google hits for this term, but the meaningful ones are almost exclusively in Dutch and appear unrelated to Hungary. It's not a word that Google translate recognises, nor is there an entry in the English or Dutch Wiktionaries. nl:Voers redirects to nl:Vörs (it was also created by a bot, so I don't think we can take that as reliable evidence of anything). Whatever it does mean it would probably not be a good redirect per WP:FORRED anyway. Thryduulf (talk) 07:57, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Then that is WP:FORRED and WP:XY. Concur. The Dutch had occurred to me. Si Trew (talk) 09:40, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Ondoershireet[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Not Germanic but Mongolian. Si Trew (talk) 01:35, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Unsurprisingly for something that transliterates Ö → O and ö → oe this gets no hits not sourced from Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 07:59, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Beauport--Limoilou[edit]

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. Thryduulf (talk) 08:00, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Eubot) same pattern of replacing em dash with double hyphen. This one is in Quebec, not France. Si Trew (talk) 01:34, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

By the way User:Bearcat's argument that people did think em dashes were two hyphens is putting the cart before the horse. The em dashes were the size of an em, and only when monospaced typewriters came out were they substituted by two hyphen characters. There is a reason that typefaces are measured in "ems" (or more accurately pica ems, although that size has been metricated), because that is the width of an "m", usually the widest letter in the font. Similar measures are for x cross and x bar and so forth. But the width of an emdash is what it is, it is the unit measure, in a standard, upright, ten point typeface, or "font" as the modern word is, because Steve Jobs thought "font" meant "typeface", it does not, and never has, a font is a particular siye and style of a typeface, and do not believe what you read to the contrary, anyone who has done any inky in real life knows the difference between a font and a typeface. That is why in your font cabinet you have the type set out in trays for each face and each tray is a font, that is to say a fountain, that each tray has all the letters and penalty (tricky bits) for a particular size and type. That is a font. Different sizes or styles, eyeties and sub caps and so on, and other penalty like greek, are different fonts of the same typeface. But because Steve Jobs didn't understand that, we now are lumbered with the word "font" to mean "typeface". Nevertheless all that is explained on the various articles, all we have to do is point them to them, and if the consensus is that people will type two hyphens, well, it does no harm, so no big deal. Thanks in retrospect because we have a load more useless clutter that User:Eubot created of these. Si Trew (talk) 02:44, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Arloefs Waggonfabrik[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 20:24, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Consensus was to keep Swedish ones with Germanic umlauts but this is Danish. Not sure. Si Trew (talk) 01:32, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. It seems that all uses of this outside of something to do with MD5 hashes are sourced from Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 08:03, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The industry was located in and took its name from Arlöv in Sweden. (Google finds some information about it on railway hobbyist websites[1][2]. There are probably better sources out there, esp. in print.) --Hegvald (talk) 11:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Sevrei, Omnoegovi[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Not Germanic but Mongolian. WP:RFD#D5 as per. Si Trew (talk) 01:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. All uses of "Omnoegovi" (a mixed transliteration) seem to originate from Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 08:05, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Anita Goerbicz[edit]

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. -- Tavix (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Not Germanic but Hungarian; yet "cz" is not in the Hungarian alphabet so it's a bit of an import, nevertheless, "cz" is Slav and not Germanic either. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Unusual Hungarian surname but old surnames are allowed their old forms, modern Hungarian surnames would be magyarized and be, probably, Görbics the equivalent sound for the cz i.e. like English "ch" as in "cheese" or "czech". Well not like the "ch" in "czech" then... Si Trew (talk) 01:23, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Regardless of what Si might expect, this is a very well used spelling of her name in the real world with lots of uses unconnected with Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 08:08, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Righty ho, if it is transliterated that way in real life, that's Keep as withdrawn. I know Thryduulf expects me to do me homework, but I couldn't find any meself. That's probably a consequence of searches targeting your geolocation, but I did my best and couldn't find anything. It's still a rather weird transliteration,, but if it is in the wild, so be it, Withdrawn, Thryduulf provides no evidence of that but I imagine it is correct, because if we haven't WP:AGF we have nothing. Si Trew (talk) 09:35, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Jean Pernet, pere[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Jean Pernet. -- Tavix (talk) 15:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) is it just because I can speak French or is writing "pere" in English Wikipedia instead of père a bit WP:RFD#D5 nonsense? I could understand Father Jean Pernet but In English who writes or searches this way? Si Trew (talk) 01:18, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Jean Pernet, the title of the actual article. (I can understand why an English-language user without a French-language keyboard (or without the knowledge of keyboard shortcuts for accents) might search for pere instead of <the version with an accent>. And I think this chap is Jean Senior rather than Father John :-) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:26, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well this is what I got stuck on. Calling User:Plantdrew: Current target redirects to a French horticulturalist, Jean Pernet, but does he have a standard form name thingy is generally quoted by in horticultural references? Not in the reference at the current article. If he does, do we need the "père" is that standard form when there is no junior to be confused with? At the moment, this R redirects to a redirect, User:Tavix moved it today, so it's only really this RfD that stops it being a double redirect that would be "fixed" by a bot (by virtue of it not being a redirect right now). We probably don't need either redirect with or without the accent, it's essentially {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}, who is Jean Pernet Jr or Jean Pernet, fils to disambuate with? The plot thins. Si Trew (talk) 07:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@SimonTrew: He doesn't have a standard citation form of the kind that I'm familiar with (which is for botanists who describe species, not horticulturalists who breed new cultivars). It does appear from a quick Google search for "Pernet pere" that specialty source related to roses do cite him this way. French Wikipedia has an article at fr:Jean Pernet, père. Plantdrew (talk) 15:44, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The point is moot, now. Regular admin User:Tavix moved the target with this edit after I raised this discussion but before anyone else had a chance to comment on it. So neither Tavix nor Thryduulf can now close it, because of WP:INVOLVED. I will close it as nom, but there's some tidywork still to do, which I can't reasonably do because I'm involved although not an admin. So it must stay open for now. It was silly to move it boldly when it was just opened for discussion. That's a bit trigger-happy, I think. Si Trew (talk) 09:07, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Bat-Olzii, Ovoerkhangai[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) Not Germanic, but Mongolian. WP:RFD#D5, nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 01:12, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. All uses of the mixed transliteration (Ö → O, ö → oe) appear to stem from Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 08:16, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, within an order of magnitude they all stem from Eubot. We don't seem to have propagation error or should it be propogation error? I would have to check Wikt on whether propa- or propo- I think the former, but never thought about it. Odd we haven't that. Si Trew (talk) 09:22, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Propagation error (according to Google), and we should certainly have something at that title. To avoid getting too off-topic I'll reply further on your talk page. Thryduulf (talk) 20:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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A doentokben elhangzott dalok[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot) WP:RFD#D5 nonsense, Not German but Hungarian. Si Trew (talk) 01:09, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, not used in the real world. Amusingly one automated scraper appears to have gone awry with this and translated it as "A dog and pony show". Thryduulf (talk) 08:18, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that is totally scraped, to be honest, but has gone round the houses by an MT that has a corpus of idioms. We do have dog and pony show. Roughly translated this just means "Songs you heard in the Finals" (of a singing competition). I asked my Hungarian missus and it made her laugh a lot, but she can't work it out either. She also had one from a Czech colleague who had some dentistry to explain she couldn't speak too well because "my kiss hurts". Such are the marvels of MT. Si Trew (talk) 08:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Thunder Bay--Rainy River[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn per user request. (non-admin closure) KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 17:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Eubot) I forgot what consensus we had, if any, on Eubot turning em dashes into two hyphens. Thunder Bay-Rainy River already exists if your keyboard, like mine, doesn't have an em dash key. (My compositor (typesetting) does, but that's just a hobby, like this.) Si Trew (talk) 01:03, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Political Film Society Award for Expose[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. Thryduulf (talk) 08:20, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Eubot) what is it exposing? Am I too pedantic to think that "exposé" in English and "expose" mean different things? Since they are kinda used in different ways (and I speak French as she is spoke proper) I am not sure this is helpful, and borders on harmful. But probably mostly harmless. Si Trew (talk) 00:59, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, this is useful for searches when someone doesn't have access to diacritics. Technical reasons aside, I've seen "exposé" written as "expose" pretty frequently. I highly doubt anyone using the redirect will be harmed by it, unless of course there's a separate award for "expose" (there's not). -- Tavix (talk) 02:01, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdrawn. I hope as with in previous purges of eubotiness it is realised I keep about 90% if them without question, it is only the ones I have any doubt about I bring here... plus the obvious deletes because we have consensus there is no need for a speedy delete criterion. So with that given, if someone says keep, it means keep. Withdrawn. Si Trew (talk) 02:32, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
When I was typing the above remarks Thryduulf had not closed it. Forgive me for modifying it but it was not technically an EC on either part. Si Trew (talk) 08:32, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Corollary. I do still argue about some of them, but that is what discussion is about. All I'm saying is I'm more than happy if a second set of eyes says keep, to withdraw it speedily. I don't want to flood RfD and most I speedily keep, but the few I have doubts about I do bring here, because consensus was over at WT:RFD, or at least I took it that way, that when I said in December that most are kept and I don't think we need a speedy deletion criterion, User:Tavix said that is good to know. So I'm sorry to kinda take the blunderbuss approach to listing those of which I have doubt, but also those that are in no doubt, will clog up RfD for those that in seven days "or so" will be deleted. Looking back over my last batch in December, I think the scattergun approach when targeted at those that are doubtful still supports the view that we don't need a CSD on this, but does mean that we have to throttle RfD a bit. As I say, a good 90% are kept without discussion here, and that's a conservative figure, of the batch between 3,000 and 5,000, I've kept about 300 and listed about {{convert|two dozen}}. Si Trew (talk) 08:31, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Azuebar[edit]

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. Thryduulf (talk) 08:22, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Eubot) Not Germanic, but Spanish. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 00:57, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong keep, this is helpful for people who don't have access to diacritics. There's nothing nonsensical about it. -- Tavix (talk) 01:58, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdrawn, I must have cocked up on this one. There was a similar where the addition of the accent had Eubot put another "e" in it, but patently this wasn't it, I cocked up. Withdrawn, Speedy keep as {{R from title without diacritics}} (which Eubot always marks them anyway so should be there), my cock-up on this one. Si Trew (talk) 02:34, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Aaenekoski[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Eubot) Not Germanic but Finnish. From what I understand from previous discussions, it's unlikely that "Ää" would be transliterated as "Aae". In short, WP:RF#D5 nonsense. The only reason you don't have "Aeaenekoski is that Eubot ignored the first letter of the title; all German nouns start with capitals like... er... Wikipedia titles. If the justification wasn!t that, it was something like that. Si Trew (talk) 00:54, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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`Akohekohe[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Eubot). WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. I'm aware that US keyboards have the left apos at top left on the kb ( have it here too, right ` here on my UK keyboard but rarely use it); WP goes for straight quotes, and this is slightly but only slightly worse than harmless because the ` indicates an inflection, but then if we're doing that then this is a bit nonsense, cos ` and ! and ^ and so on indicate different inflections. This needs RS to stay, and Eubot was not so good on RS. I suppose someone will say it is harmless. It is not. It is the wrong inflectional symbol. From Hawai'ian language (though we have R Hawai`ian language, which somewhat weakens my case). But WP:RFD#D2 not at target. I don!t think {{R from title without diacritics}} applies here, but when this closes, the consensus will stand as precedent to sort out a lot of others, too. (Not many hawaiian but many with the back apos here used unfortunately by eubot). Si Trew (talk) 00:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. ` is a character that's almost impossible to search for on Google, but I'm not seeing any instances of it getting uses in this manner. Sources all seem to use "ʻAkohekohe", "'Akohekohe" or simply "Akohekohe". The redirect got 5 hits last year, which is at the top end of the noise level but not exceeding it. Combined, I'm not convinced this redirect is correct. Thryduulf (talk) 08:38, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Goekcedam[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 15:40, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Eubot) Not Germanic but Turkish. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 00:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. While this does generate a lot of google hits, even excluding Wikipedia and the target spelling from the list, I can't find any that actually use this spelling or anything like it - I guess Google is trying to be helpful, but on this occasion failing. Thryduulf (talk) 08:45, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Hoefner[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep/withdrawn. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 11:58, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(Eubot) The target hatnotes, "For a differently spelled name, see Höffner". I suggest we take that advice and redirect there. Si Trew (talk) 00:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. The redirect has one 'f', so this one is pointing to the correct target. -- Tavix (talk) 01:55, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep valid redirect to the same page name with diacritics. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:48, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
To a target that says "for different spellings see...." right at the top. If this is not a different spelling, what is it? The answer by User:Shhhnotsoloud, mezzo piano, is "it's the same name without diacritics", but it's not the same name, it's a name differently spelled, in my opinion, and so you should take the advice and look at the DAB. To send someone off on a wild goose chase I think is worse in terms of the average number of clicks to find the right Hugh Hefner or whatever. Si Trew (talk) 07:50, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I was giving the benefit to the user who doesn't know how to get an umlaut, over the one who can't spell ;-) In the meantime, I've tidied up Höffner. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:09, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Buttel[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 April 15#Buttel

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