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Nuestra Señora de Candelaria Parish Church (Mabitac)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, WP:G6, by Anthony Bradbury (talk · contribs). (non-admin closure) -- Tavix (talk) 18:57, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Neelix redirect. There is no need to disambiguate here, leaving that aside it is not in any place called Mabatic that just happens to be what the church itself is called. It is sorta harmless but I dunno. Since I have been told off for listing things at RfD when I dunno making a judgment call, I am hesitant to list this one. Si Trew (talk) 23:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Keep - While this isn't exactly proper, it's also at least somewhat helpful... I think. A great many aren't familiar with the way that parenthesis are used here, and this is a guess that's not really wrong per se. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nonbusiness[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Speedily deleted by admin USer:BDD (non-admin closure) by Si Trew (talk) 15:24, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ahem Neelix redirect. A nonbusiness is, well it is bloody nonsense frankly. There are stacks of these with verious punctuation. WHat woud a nonbusiness be? a sole trader? LCould mean anything Si Trew (talk) 22:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Non business[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedily deleted by admin User: Boing! said Zebedee. (non-admin closure) by me Si Trew (talk) 15:25, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted lots of these Nonbusinesses and such, I please,

non business and nonbusiness don't account for much.
I took a lot of Neelix nonsense straight delete and such
I'm sorry that my nomination is thus here in rhyme
I'd like to make it better but I haven't got the time.
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Pelvic regions[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 19#Pelvic regions

The Way (2009 album)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep as a standard redirect from an album title to the artist. Deryck C. 08:53, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • (neelix redirect) Delete but not sure why. I have taken some others to CSD but Neelix seems to have had some fetish for this singer which I am not familiar with. While technically this does no harm it only links to a non-notable discography of unpublished or at least at WP unreferenced songs and albums. Not sure. Not {{R to section}} but that is easily done if decided to keep, but this is kinda a bit out of the way if you excuse the pun. It is not as if there is The Way (2010 album) or The Way (2015 album). I would say keep as harmless {{R from unecessary disambiguation}} but the only thing at that tareg is a list box saying pretty much bugger all except she sung it. I thing WP:RFD#D5 nonsense but I can't put my finger on exactly why I want it deleted. Si Trew (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Sir William Lloyd[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 17:45, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(neelix redirect) This is probably fine, goes to a DAB. Neelix has attempted to disambiguate with various F. for Sir William Frederick Lloyd, with not so great results, I have taken those to CSD with the rationales on several

In titles don't abbreviate, I'll get my K, you watch me, mate
Neelikx can create, I think, plurals drive a man to drink
But this is just a stupid one so CSD please then we're done

But this is not a stupid one. I am pretty sure it is speedy keep, just listing it here for consensus

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Lethal (UTFO album)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 17:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Neelix redirect. This is essentially {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} and {{R to section}} but I think can be swiftly deleted. It does no harm but does no good. Si Trew (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment it's not unnecessary dabbing, as there are multiple albums named "Lethal". If the album is notable, then we can delete through WP:REDLINK, if the album is not notable, then the redirect points to where it should -- 70.51.200.96 (talk) 04:37, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - It looks alright because there is Lethal (Cockney Rejects album), so this disambiguation is correct. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:13, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Lethal (footballer)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:29, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this footballer was ever known by the nicname of "Lethal". I think this has come about from the hatnote at the top saying see something about a murder and is a bit of an absurd Neelix creation Si Trew (talk) 19:18, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I remember Leigh Matthews as invariably being referred to as "Lethal Leigh" in the Channel 7 coverage in the 1970s. I don't see any particular value in this redirect, but I think it is important to get the facts straight.--Grahame (talk) 02:20, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I second Grahame's comment. Matthews most certainly was well known by that nickname not only as a player in the 1970s, but then in his role as a coach for twenty years, and now in his current role as a television commentator. A simple Google search reveals this Toyota TV commercial from a few years ago in which he is called "Lethal". Or one could follow the redirect and look at the article itself, in which the word appears 6 times.
Putting that aside though, is someone going to go to the effort of typing "Lethal (footballer)" when his real name is one of the best known in Australian sport? Probably not... AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:36, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-business entity[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:28, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Neelix redirect) this is plausible as in lede, probably keep. There are stacks more that are far less plausible that I am taking to CSD Si Trew (talk) 19:14, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete one would thing a government agency could be the meaning -- 70.51.200.96 (talk) 04:38, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as ambiguous per 70.51.200.96.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 01:52, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Plastic shoes[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:28, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like a misnomer to call Crocs "plastic shoes;" the article says they're made out of a foam. From what I've read at shoe, it seems common to make shoes at least partially out of plastic. Outside of the super broad article on shoes in general, I don't see a good retarget option. Plastic shoe is red. -- Tavix (talk) 16:17, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've been thinking of this one in my spare time while trogging through the Neelix redirects and I can't think of a good target either. What would it mean? Do we have leather shoes or rubber shoes for example (no). So what we have is a thing from a material to some kind of specific shoe that may or may not be made of that material. It is most likely made of a combination of poly-vinyl chloride latex and various other plastics. But a Croc does not have to be made of that Krusty Krocs aren't made of that (they are made of bread and stuff). this is just WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 20:05, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete there are many plastic shoes, all foam flipflops for instance, synthetic rubber galoshes, etc -- 70.51.200.96 (talk) 04:39, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. Misleading and vague. Modern shoes are commonly made with plastic components.—Godsy(TALKCONT) 01:51, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per the above arguments CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:57, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Please leave this line alone[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:27, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've discovered this redirect causing some problems, including putting Wikipedia categories on user pages where editors have posted {{Please leave this line alone}}. Liz Read! Talk! 14:18, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Odd WP:XNR with no clear useful purpose. Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the target used to be a template, the template used to be used in a place where people edited it incorrectly to remove the template, making it use such a stupid name. -- 70.51.200.96 (talk) 04:40, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Rudolf Francis Ferdinand Hoess[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, WP:G5 by Liz (talk · contribs). (non-admin closure) -- Tavix (talk) 20:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(neelix redirect) Declined at CSD. I do not believe this is either a correct name for Höss or a likely search term. His name, with the german umlauts are in the lede also with the eszet but I think this is a bit greenisholives. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. It is too far away to be {{R from title without diacritics}}, I think, Si Trew (talk) 13:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm I am not sure why I thought it was created by Neelix then. you're right it was not created by Neelix. I probably found it in a circuitous fashion by others that Neelix probably did make being even more absurd, but this one isn't, you're right. Will take G5 Si Trew (talk) 18:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Haystacks Calhoun Jr. The Hornswagglin' Hillbilly, Professional Wrestler[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:25, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's a rather long and ridiculous search query. It's an orphaned useless redirect created by an inexperienced user back in 2011. It was almost immediately tagged for speedy deletion, but someone turned it into a redirect instead. I disagree with that and think it should be deleted. Feedback 06:36, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete implausible search term. Hornswaggin' is not mentioned in target. Neither is Jr. No other notable person to disambiguate. [1] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 13:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Richard Afflis ("Dick the Bruiser") Professional Wrestler[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:24, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's an impossible and rather useless search query. The only reason it's lasted 10 years is because nobody found it until now. Feedback 06:30, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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UnTunes[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:23, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No such thing with this name, more plausible for untune than anything. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 03:04, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as WP:RFD#D5 nonense. It would be detune anyway. (Because as the OED says de and dis are prefixes having privative force, i.e. they remove something, that is the difference between de- and un-. Something can be untuned such as my banjo but as a verb you would need to detune it, which indeed you do detune things to stop acoustic resonance, for example the Albert Hall was detuned in that way to stop the bloody echo but still although the most wonderful place in the world to hear music for a quid during the BBC Proms I believe they now call it, it still hasn't the resonance of many of the great concert halls, the Sydney Opera House for example, when the architect had a better idea of acoustics than Queen Victoria did). Si Trew (talk) 03:26, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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University extensions[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete all. The general consensus is that these redirects are incorrect. Deryck C. 08:54, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't this also refer to a branch campus?

Nominated here:

- Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Oiyarbepsy: these are all Neelix redirects and I think quickly can be taken to CSD as WP:G6 neelix concession. Si Trew (talk) 02:46, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@SimonTrew:I explicitly reject speedy deletion, since these are legitimate terms. I'm not requesting deletion, but asking whether they point to the best target. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Oiyarbepsy: (edit conflict) With the plurals they are a bit nonsense, but we also have University extension and Extension school created by User:Gettingtoit created in 2014 after the Neelix plurals were, as a kinda back formation I guess. So this is all a bit of a mess and essentially WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. I could list those separately but I leave that to you whether you think best to list separately or leave here. Si Trew (talk) 02:46, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
They're not legitimate terms. The plurals were invented by Neelix (who knows why but the usual habit of sticking any two words together to think it means something), then User:Gettingtoit back-formed the singulars from the plurals. None is actually a proper English term for anything as far as I can tell. Yes it could be a branch campus or night school or day release or any number of things but it isn't. These are simply WP:MADEUP. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 03:03, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a liar as we do have Harvard Extension School. However a name for a particular university's programme of education, however esteemed that university is, I don't think becomes common English that we can use it as a common term. That is Harvard 's Extension School, that is just what they happen to name it. If anywhere else in the world universe space called it that I would change my opinion. If the Open University called it that, for example. Si Trew (talk) 03:07, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Mind you, you might be right, this presumably is RS:
Johnson, Theodore R. (16 September 2013). "Did I really go to Harvard if I got my degree taking online classes". The Atlantic. Retrieved 6 May 2016.

That makes a total mess of my argument saying it is not a real term. Well it does or doesn't. We now have an RS that this term exists in the wild, which is not much use to us because we can't RS a redirect. Now we have to decide two things

  1. Whether this is specifically used by Harvard's (and nobody else's) distance learning programme, in which case delete
  2. Whether it would be better, if kept and the consensus is it is a real term, perhaps distance learning would be better than the current target.

(Distance learning -> Distance education)

Si Trew (talk) 03:14, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • University extension is clearly a real term [2]. As is extension school [3]. Both terms are used by hundreds of schools. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. "University extensions" and "Continuing education" are two distinct things and should not be conflated. Likewise with satellite campuses, university annexes, and so forth. Each has its own meaning and there is no cause for these inaccurate redirects to exist. (And consider the source.) Softlavender (talk) 05:06, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I believe most of these programs started as agricultural extension, and probably had their names changed as the scopes widened. Not sure that's the right place to point, though. --BDD (talk) 13:50, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The concept of long-established educational institutions setting up new branches is one that likely deserves its own page or own section in some particular other page. As it stands, the redirects aren't right. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:53, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Outlook.at[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:20, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 December 29#Airfrance.ae, and precedents listed there. Basically, it is harmful and/or misleading to list foreign websites when the websites or the company's operations in that country isn't discussed at the target. Also per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. -- Tavix (talk) 02:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all as WP:NOTDIRECTORY like wot Tavix said. Being in Hungary I took the opportunity to try out outlook.hu and it actually goes to login.live.com as I imagine all the others will, I tried it because it will detect I am in Hungary through the IP address. And I imagine all the rest will as well, I just checked this one because I have the opportunity to see if there is a wonderful Hungarian website called outlook.hu and to nobody's surprise there is not. (And it comes up in English not Hungarian.) These are also a little misleading cos as I say they go to live.com not outlook.com (live.com is a dab at which all the entries are for Microsoft products, to nobody's surprise because they own the domain in some bizarre attempt to brand all their products as "Windows Live" etc) Si Trew (talk) 02:38, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That was no attempt to diss Microsoft. (They wouldn't care anyway). I quite like Microsoft products and have used them throughout my professional career, I actually do think they are better than the competition. But their branding sometimes is a bit bizarre, that is all I was saying. I suppose I was saying they sometimes have more money than sense. Si Trew (talk) 02:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all People may be looking for more information on the sites themselves, clearly harmful. (@Si Trew: I'm not worried about Microsoft at all, even though I'm a Mac and Linux fan, I do use Windows also, but I'm not a MS fan, especially of their newer operating systems (I use Windows 7). ). - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 03:20, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yeah I use Windows 7 too Igot a genuine copy about seven years ago when I bought this computer and it keeps telling me this copy is not genuine it bloody well is I have thes sticker and hologram I just turned off Windows Update and it don't like it. My mum, who is about 77 now, got her first laptop to play with about three years ago and then they changed it to Windows 8 so she had to learn it all over again. She is not a stupid woman by any means but she wants to use a computer not learn the latest user interface. She just wants to use it. I think microsoft forgot that in the race to get onto mobile devices. Their vision was "a computer on every desktop" and that worked, they lost their way when mobile phones came along. She like me has arthritis and so it is hard to type on a touch screen. Steve Jobs never thought about that, he assumed everyone was young and fit and able. Si Trew (talk) 14:09, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per precedent and that we don't need to mirror every URL that redirects to another redirect on the web. Legacypac (talk) 03:36, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Vietspace[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:20, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect of a non-notable website to a list that has a notability criterion, and therefore, no mention to be found. -- Tavix (talk) 01:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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