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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 3, 2015.

More NHL draft picks[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:XY, as confirmed by numerous previous discussions, the most recent of which being at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 1#NHL team draft pick redirects. Resolute 22:46, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per previous discussions. -- Tavix (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm not seeing how those sorts of redirects are a bad thing. A user searching a player learns the fact of his having been drafted by X team in Y year in the ## draft position. That is worthwhile information. What is the possible rationale for deletion? Carrite (talk) 23:20, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because there are multiple potential targets, each equally viable. Such redirects actively hinder search abilities by forcing the reader to a specific page chosen entirely at random by the redirect creator rather than letting the search engine retrieve all pages such a subject would be mentioned in and allowing the reader to choose what they want. Resolute 23:26, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict)@Carrite: The rationale is WP:XY since there are several articles that each individual could be redirected to and it's impossible to guess what someone could be looking for. "In these cases, search results may be more helpful, allowing the reader to make the decision." To illustrate this, I picked one player at random: Eric Mestery. If someone wants to know information about his draft, the current target or 2008 NHL Entry Draft#Round two would be equally good choices. However, keeping these redirects hinders searches on any other aspect of his career, and we have information on that. For example, he was also drafted by the WHL in the 2004–05 WHL season and he is mentioned in a few other articles if you do a search for him. A minor rationale that I've seen used is WP:REDLINK. If someone were to look at 2008–09 Washington Capitals season#Draft picks, they might think Eric Mestery has an article because there's a blue link. If they click on the link, they'll be redirected right back to where they were, creating either disappointment or confusion. Deleting this would prevent that. Click on the red link, and you'll get search results for all the articles in which he is mentioned, and the reader can make their own decisions as to what part of his career to read about, instead of being pigeon-holed into one specific list/article. I hope that helps answer your question. -- Tavix (talk) 23:34, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:XY and previous discussions. -DJSasso (talk) 00:11, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: per XY and the precedent for the hundred-plus other such redirects we've sought to delete this past week. And to chime in on Tavix's answer to Carrite, that even presupposes that the most important thing about these players, and where a searcher might know them from, is that they were selected in the NHL Entry Draft. My own take is that it's at least as likely that someone searching for such a player would be coming at it from the angle of a junior league or collegiate team for which he starred. I think it more likely that someone searching for Jason Bertsch (say) would be a Spokane Chiefs fan, for whom he played four seasons, than someone vitally interested in low-round draft picks from twenty years ago.

    Even if the NHL Entry Draft was of paramount importance, though, this targeting would still be misplaced. As knowledgeable hockey people are aware, it is sometimes the case that drafted players who don't sign with their team within a certain time period can be reeligible for the draft, and be drafted all over again by a different team. Coincidentally enough, this was the case with Bertsch, who while being redirected here to the 1997 New Jersey Devils season was in fact also drafted two years earlier by the Quebec Nordiques. He played professionally for neither organization (or, as to that, at all).

    There's a further irony, in that Bertsch played under the name "Jay Bertsch," which is how he's listed on the massive Hockey Database. Dolovis created a separate redirect for that -- also under RfD -- to the NHL draft year, without any apparent effort to determine whether they were the same player or not, a degree of inattention I've come to expect from him. Ravenswing 05:24, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per above and previous discussions. Rubbish computer 10:43, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all - I concur with the arguments that have been stated here over and over again. This is pretty silly. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 23:53, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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That's How You Know (musical)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted by GB fan. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix (talk) 02:58, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I erroneously created this when moving the content now residing at That's How You Know (musical number). "That's How You Know" is not a musical, so this title is inaccurate. (No worries Si Trew we're both responsible now) —Godsy(TALKCONT) 18:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy delete - clearly erroneous good-faith page move that was immediately corrected. I don't know why GB fan declined G7, I guess WP:G6 is better, per note 4. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:39, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • The reason I declined the speedy delete is because I made a mistake. I should have deleted it and have now fixed my mistake. -- GB fan 00:17, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was -.- . . .--. (keep) because the nomination has been withdrawn. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix (talk) 05:01, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:NOTENGLISH. For if not, we start a Morse language encyclopedia. Hits are at bot noise level. I probably pissed on Thrdyuulf's bonfire for having a day without any incoming, but I am as always ---- .- - .-- . ..--.. Si Trew (talk) 15:19, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

YYZ is Toronto Pearson International Airport, as any fulish canuck kno. I don't see how that is foreign, and I don't see the case for keeping or rather creating the second one? I didn't realise this was "Redirects for Creation". Si Trew (talk) 17:17, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm not going to create it, I'm against unnecessary proliferation of marginally useful redirects as you know. But, had someone else created it, I would have argued to keep that target. For those who don't get why, the song YYZ is the Morse code pattern "Y-Y-Z" continuously repeated through varying musical arrangements, from the obvious cymbal-hit intro pattern to much more complex guitar legato patterns and weird keyboard stuff (which Geddy Lee played with foot pedals while simultaneously playing bass). The Morse code pattern is therefore more relevant to the instrumental than to the airport. It's completely irrelevant to this discussion but I am failing in my duty as a Canadian if I don't explain this in far too much detail. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:50, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, -.---.----.. has been deleted twice before. I can't tell what its content was though. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:39, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That is the Morse code for YYZ. YYZ is the airport code for Toronto Pearson International Airport and that is where it redirected. -- GB fan 00:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, mentioned and explained in the article. -- Tavix (talk) 16:40, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, withdrawn by nominator I can see the case for "SOS" specifically being kept, but I don't think we should have Morse just for Any Old Word, any more than we should have Braille for Any Old Word (and we probably couldn't cos Braille is usually done as a a font, and people can choose their own fonts. Similarly, I imagine there are fonts that have the written representation of Morse as their glyphs). Entirely off topic, a few years ago I had T-shirts printed for some RNIB fundraiser with a slogan across the chest, in Braille, reading "Get your hands off my tits". Si Trew (talk) 04:35, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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