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July 8[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 8, 2015.

Module (category theory)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:25, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The target page does not discuss about modules in category theory. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 20:54, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Bumsla[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 17#Bumsla

S.S Anne[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:13, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pokemon related WP:FANCRUFT that isn't mentioned in the article. I didn't see any obvious retargets even though there are a few ships that have the name "Anne (Surname)". I think the search engine is the best bet here. -- Tavix (talk) 14:46, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per WP:FANCRUFT. @Tavix: which other possible targets did you find for ships named Anne? I haven't found any, except for things which loop back to Pokemon. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:01, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, both of those are already redlinks. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:01, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. The closest targets that I could think of is the plot section of Pokemon Red and Blue. --Lenticel (talk) 01:55, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Aide mémoire (dictionary definition)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:11, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a bizarre soft redirect to Wiktionary. Aide-mémoire has a {{wiktionary}} box and also discusses the "general term" slightly at the bottom of that page. It also has a hatnote which takes someone to Aide mémoire (dictionary definition), but that is just a soft redirect. Aide mémoire (dictionary definition) isn't needed at all and should be deleted. The other possibility here, retargeting, doesn't make sense to me per WP:NOTDIC. I feel that "(dictionary definition)" wouldn't be a plausible search term (they could use a dictionary/wiktionary for that). -- Tavix (talk) 14:41, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - this is a little bizarre, and encroaching on WP:NOTDIC, but it was done by RHaworth, and I trust he knows what he's doing. Absent his objection, we should delete the dictionary definition redirect, delete the hatnote, and refine the {{wiktionary}} box to point to wikt:aide-mémoire where the definition lives (the existing soft redirect's target is wrong). Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:58, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, the {{wiktionary}} box already points to the right place. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:59, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Sean Wright[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 13:13, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Incoming links were either for a kickboxer or a footballer, neither of whom currently have articles. None were for the target of the redirect. DuncanHill (talk) 11:30, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • 'Keep per Wbm, "Sean" and "Shawn" would be expected mispellings -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 05:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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📶[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. The discussion demonstrated that, while the definition of the emoji is literally "signal strength", the page mobile signal gives the best description in the context of this emoji. Deryck C. 11:01, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think this represents signal strength. Adam9007 (talk) 03:22, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment "antenna with bars" [1][2] -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 05:58, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • The Emoji utility I have says this is signal strength. Adam9007 (talk) 15:41, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Before looking at the articles, I assumed Signal strength would be the better target, but that article is fairly technical, and the current target has an image matching this one. Maybe best left as is. --BDD (talk) 13:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It does symbolize signal strength, but specifically mobile signal strength. That makes the current target the best one. -- Tavix (talk) 20:31, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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⭕[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 13:46, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think this might represent the O mark, rather than just a circle. Adam9007 (talk) 03:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

On my Windows PC it is a square.--69.157.254.210 (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's because you're missing the correct font to display it, and your computer/browser defaults to displaying a square. -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 05:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There's an entry for it on Japanese Wiktionary wikt:ja:⭕ gTranslate[3][4] -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 05:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Traffic sign from ARIB STD B24
2B55 ⭕ HEAVY LARGE CIRCLE
= basic symbol for speed limit
• forms a game tally pair with 274C ❌
→ 25EF ◯  large circle
⁓ 2B55 FE0E  text style
⁓ 2B55 FE0F  emoji style
  • ARIB STD B24 (I'm not sure that's the standard they mean)
  • Speed limit sign has pictures with a "heavy large circle" – Wbm1058 (talk) 14:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Enclosed Ideographic Supplement is a Unicode block containing characters for compatibility with the Japanese ARIB STD-B24 standard. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:07, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep this Unicode character redirect, as this does, like Gorobay said, represent a circle. SONIC678|Hang out with me! 14:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - yeah, it's a circle. Circles may be used in a wide variety of contexts for other meanings, but no more specific context may be inferred from just having a picture of a circle on the screen. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:37, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The reason I think this might be the O mark is because my Emoji utility groups this with symbols such as ❗, !?, and ❌ (the opposite of the O mark), not with other shapes. Adam9007 (talk) 15:33, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • The O mark is just a mark that looks like an O. It is one of the many things this character can mean. Gorobay (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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🍲[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to hot pot. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix (talk) 20:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure this represents Nabemono specifically, and this was previously targeted to Food. The Windows version looks more like a fruit bowl (or perhaps a pot of stew) to me. Adam9007 (talk) 02:38, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment "pot of food" [5][6] -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 06:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to hot pot. "hotpot" would be the correct target for a grapheme representing a pot of food. "nabemono" is definitely the wrong target. While "food" is an acceptable target. -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 06:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This emoji was originally called “鍋” (nabe), i.e. nabemono. Hot pot would be fine, but Nabemono is definitely not wrong. Gorobay (talk) 13:07, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to hot pot. If it was originally "nabe" then the current target would be appropriate, but if the emoji was subsequently renamed then our redirect should point to what it is currently intended to depict, which is a POT OF [hot] FOOD. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:39, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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🍴[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to cutlery. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix (talk) 20:01, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This obviously represents cutlery rather than the food. Adam9007 (talk) 02:32, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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📦[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget. --BDD (talk) 14:38, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Some versions merely represent a parcel through the post (in fact, even the Windows version looks like an ordinary parcel to me, though I understand why someone thought it looks like a present). I suggest a retarget to Parcel (package). The only one that looks like a present is the EmojiSymbols version. Adam9007 (talk) 02:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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💇[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 16#💇

🎤[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget. --BDD (talk) 13:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Some systems include singing symbols, but on Windows and the EmojiSymbols font, it's obviously just a microphone, not specifically for Karaoke or singing. Adam9007 (talk) 01:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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🎮[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget. --BDD (talk) 13:08, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a Game controller yes, but more specifically it's a Gamepad. Adam9007 (talk) 00:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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♨[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus, default to keep. It seems that we disagree whether this symbol refers specifically to the hot-spring symbol in Japanese culture, or a general pot of hot water. Deryck C. 22:26, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This was originally a redirect to Hot spring, and I think it should be retargeted back there as this symbol seems to represent hot springs in general, rather than specifically Onsen. Adam9007 (talk) 00:45, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget back to Hot spring per Adam9007. Onsen is definitely not the only hot spring. SONIC678|Hang out with me! 01:07, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "hot springs" [11] -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 06:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Though, my font makes it look like the logo used by the Java programming language -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 06:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • REtarget to hot spring per nom -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 06:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This symbol represents onsen on Japanese maps. Moreover, Onsen actually mentions the symbol; Hot spring does not, and it should not because it is a Japanese-specific symbol. Gorobay (talk) 13:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • How do you know it's Japanese-specific? Adam9007 (talk) 15:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • It is from an ARIB standard. Gorobay (talk) 15:49, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • But that says hot spring, not onsen. Adam9007 (talk) 16:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yes: that document is in English. The Japanese version says onsen (温泉). The redirect’s target should explain the symbol. Onsen is the most specific article about this symbol. Gorobay (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
            • I think the Japanese word 温泉 might be a little ambiguous to English readers. Although it's read as おんせん/onsen, my dictionary says it can also translate to hot spring, or even spa. This reminds me of the word アニメ (the only example that popped into my head). Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that word in Japanese means any animated production, whereas the English word anime refers specifically to Japanese ones. It seems to me the English word onsen refers specifically to Japanese hot springs, whereas the Japanese word 温泉 can mean any hot spring. Adam9007 (talk) 16:37, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
              • That example sounds accurate, though I see that Japanese Wikipedia distinguishes ja:熱水泉 (‘hot spring’) from ja:温泉 (‘onsen’). The reason I still think it should target Onsen is that it is a Japanese symbol which is most naturally discussed on the Japan-specific page. Gorobay (talk) 17:41, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
                • Yes, it seems you're right. However, this and some other sources say it is or can also be hot springs, maybe disambiguate? Adam9007 (talk) 00:11, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Gorobay. The Japanese context has to be considered. I assume that there is a wikilink to hot spring from onsen; that's good enough. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:42, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, this would be used to represent onsen, as onsen is a type of hot spring. However, I think it is also used to refer to other hot springs. Adam9007 (talk) 15:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Using your example above, we would not redirect anime to a generic article on animation. I have to assume there's a reason to have an encyclopedic distinction between onsen and generic hot springs, otherwise we would have merged the pages. Since the symbol refers to onsen (or to any hot spring but in a Japanese context) then it should go to the more specific article. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:07, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Looks ambiguous to me. It may be official defined as a spring, but a reader using it as a search term—if they exist—wouldn't necessarily know that. My first thought would be a hot bowl of soup; it could also be a dish with "stink lines". --BDD (talk) 13:06, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep due to the symbol being mentioned at the Onsen article. -- Tavix (talk) 15:26, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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💊[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget. --BDD (talk) 13:03, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking perhaps Pill (pharmacy) would be better, as drugs aren't the only things available in pill form. Adam9007 (talk) 00:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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🔇[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. There's just about a majority for deletion, and the remaining opinions are split between two possibilities. So I think deletion is the best outcome. Deryck C. 11:04, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now this one I think is much better suited to Silent mode. Adam9007 (talk) 00:11, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is a simple square on my Windows PC.--69.157.254.210 (talk) 05:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You do not have the proper fonts installed. Some computers/programs will display a square when it can't display the character. -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 06:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note "speaker with cancellation stroke" [14][15] -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 06:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment well the current target is certainly incorrect. I don't know if the requested target is all that much better. -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 06:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soft redirect to wiktionary wikt:en:🔇 using the {{Wiktionary redirect}} -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 06:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:RFD#DELETE #2 (potential for confusion). This is the universal "mute" symbol; see the see-also section at Mute for examples of why this isn't a good choice for disambiguation - we don't have anywhere to point to where specific mute functions on different devices are discussed, nor a page on the function itself. We have loudness, but that's not perfect, and doesn't discuss the function either. Redirecting to Wiktionary is not bad. Pointing it to an article here makes for a WP:SURPRISE for some users. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:50, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • My Emoji utility says this is "mute". I'd have thought "mute" and "silent mode" are the same thing? Adam9007 (talk) 15:20, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Ivanvector. I'm surprised we don't have a more general mute page. I wouldn't call muting on a TV or a computer mute mode, really. That definitely suggests a cell phone to me. --BDD (talk) 13:02, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Ivanvector, as it has the potential for confusion. -- Tavix (talk) 15:25, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget. Silent mode and mute mode are similar enough that they can be combined in one article, which is why mute mode redirects to it. The "🔇" symbol represents the concept but it has different names in different contexts and any request to move the article to 🔇 is unlikely to succeed. Peter James (talk) 22:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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