Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 June 16
June 16[edit]
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 16, 2013
Joel DiBartolo[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was retarget to The Tonight Show Band. --BDD (talk) 21:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- Joel DiBartolo → The Tonight Show (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]
No apparent reason for redirect to the TV show. If anything, it should redirect to the article on The Tonight Show Band, but hardly seems necessary either. Either the guy is sufficiently relevant to "deserve" his own article or he isn't, but redirecting in this case just ends up with everyone going round in circles. Technopat (talk) 22:19, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose - the fact that the nominator ahs said "Either the guy is sufficiently relevant to "deserve" his own article or he isn't" shows a complete lack of understanding of redirects. GiantSnowman 09:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
- Unnecessary unconstructive criticism apart, given your earlier reversal of my "prod", I can only conlude that you seem to have missed the point. The point is, and sorry if this is repetitive, that I can see no reason whatsoever for redirecting to the actual TV show. The musician in question did not, as far as I know, appear on the show as a guest artist but, apparently, as a member of the The Tonight Show Band. It would obviously have been much easier for me to simply modify the redirect, but I thought it would be better to get other people's input, hence the "prod". --Technopat (talk) 10:28, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
- If you were really seekung the input of others, you would have taken to AFD rather than PROD. Furthermore, your PROD was not valid as it was not placed on an article. However, if your concern is with the destination of the redirect, rather than the principle of it, then why not simply change the redirect to The Tonight Show Band? GiantSnowman 11:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
- Please AGF ("If you were really..."). I chose "prod" for two reasons: a) because the page obviously does not "meet the strict criteria for speedy deletion", and b) "PROD must only be used if no opposition is to be expected." (i.e., as it seemed to me pretty clearcut, I didn't expect any serious objection). As to whether the "prod" was valid or not because "it was not placed on an article", I bow to your obvious superior knowledge, as an admin., of the corresponding policies. However, now you come out with "why not simply change the redirect to The Tonight Show Band?" OK, so, where do we go from here? Do I take it that there is no further opposition to redirecting it to The Tonight Show Band, which was my original option B, before you reverted? Do I redirect to The Tonight Show Band, or do you sort it out as an admin.? --Technopat (talk) 00:42, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's hard to AGF when you contradict yourself - you say you wanted to "get other people's input" and yet "didn't expect any serious objection"? Also I have never reverted a redirect to The Tonight Show Band, please retract that accusation. I suggest waiting for further input, there is no rush. GiantSnowman 09:54, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
- Please AGF ("If you were really..."). I chose "prod" for two reasons: a) because the page obviously does not "meet the strict criteria for speedy deletion", and b) "PROD must only be used if no opposition is to be expected." (i.e., as it seemed to me pretty clearcut, I didn't expect any serious objection). As to whether the "prod" was valid or not because "it was not placed on an article", I bow to your obvious superior knowledge, as an admin., of the corresponding policies. However, now you come out with "why not simply change the redirect to The Tonight Show Band?" OK, so, where do we go from here? Do I take it that there is no further opposition to redirecting it to The Tonight Show Band, which was my original option B, before you reverted? Do I redirect to The Tonight Show Band, or do you sort it out as an admin.? --Technopat (talk) 00:42, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
- If you were really seekung the input of others, you would have taken to AFD rather than PROD. Furthermore, your PROD was not valid as it was not placed on an article. However, if your concern is with the destination of the redirect, rather than the principle of it, then why not simply change the redirect to The Tonight Show Band? GiantSnowman 11:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
- Unnecessary unconstructive criticism apart, given your earlier reversal of my "prod", I can only conlude that you seem to have missed the point. The point is, and sorry if this is repetitive, that I can see no reason whatsoever for redirecting to the actual TV show. The musician in question did not, as far as I know, appear on the show as a guest artist but, apparently, as a member of the The Tonight Show Band. It would obviously have been much easier for me to simply modify the redirect, but I thought it would be better to get other people's input, hence the "prod". --Technopat (talk) 10:28, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
(outdent) No contradiction whatsoever. No accusation whatsoever. However, just to avoid any possible misunderstanding, I'll rephrase the above question: "Do I take it that there is no further opposition to redirecting it to The Tonight Show Band, which was my original option B, before you reverted my "prod" and told me (in your edit summary) to raise the issue here? --Technopat (talk) 10:03, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
- Sigh. You placed a PROD on a redirect. Redirects are not eligible for PRODs, so I removed it. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't take it so personally. If you had wanted to change the redirect, then you should have been WP:BOLD and done it. As for the "no further opposition", we can't be sure, this has only been open for 24 hours. Let it run. GiantSnowman 10:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
- Retarget to The Tonight Show Band. That's standard common practice with musicians who are not independently notable but are or have been a member of a notable band. -- Whpq (talk) 16:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
Kansas City Penguins[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was delete. Rossami's argument is compelling. There's no indication that the Penguins would have kept their nickname if they had moved to Kansas City anyway. The misleading and speculative nature of this redirect makes deletion prudent, regardless of its cost. --BDD (talk) 18:38, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
- Kansas City Penguins → Pittsburgh Penguins (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: keep/delete ]
Completely implausible search term for a team that never has existed. Created by an editor whose edit history is vitally concerned with Kansas City sport. Ravenswing 21:22, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's unlikely, though perhaps not completely implausible. Per Pittsburgh Penguins, "The possible relocation sites about which there was the greatest speculation and discussion were Houston, Kansas City, Oklahoma City and Hamilton, Ontario." What's that thing people always say about the cost of implausible redirects? Cnilep (talk) 08:24, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, redirects are cheap but this seems to cross the line into crystal-ball speculation. Unless there is a more tangible connection, this redirect appears at best premature and at worst actively confusing to readers. Delete, I'm afraid. Rossami (talk) 20:18, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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TV18[edit]
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 July 8#TV18