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December 22[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 22, 2013.

Maryland Route 666[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion, the edit that may have led to the redirect creation was an error; the news article included in the edit mentions a Morris County [New Jersey] route changing from 666 to 665, not Maryland. —Mr. Matté (Talk/Contrib) 00:09, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, especially because there used to be a MD 666. --NE2 03:09, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Misleading redirect. Dough4872 05:26, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as misleading. --AdmrBoltz 13:05, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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AJet Flight 522[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. WJBscribe (talk) 12:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AJet only became the name of Helios after Flight 522 crashed. No need for this redirect. ...William 20:52, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Arabic MS-DOS[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 January 3#Arabic MS-DOS

Justine Sacco[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Pursuant to the request at AN, I'm also salting the title for a week. I won't be available much in that time, but I have no objections to any other admin reversing the salting. --BDD (talk) 00:55, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLP1E. This just happened today, and there's no evidence of lasting coverage. I've since removed the mention of Ms. Sacco from the redirect target under the same justification. The article was previously deleted under G10 LFaraone 02:37, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weird -- does the Wiki interface no longer provide the "an article with this name was previously deleted" message? (I received one in April 2011 when creating Carly Foulkes). NE Ent 03:56, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes it still does but unless the page is protected a user can still recreate. The Whispering Wind (talk) 04:04, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not good -- regardless of the outcome of the discussion about the twitter Justine Sacco, anyone searching in the next fews days will most likely looking for the tweeter and should not be redirected to the warfare Justine Sacco. If the redirect is inappropriate just delete it. NE Ent 03:56, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • We are here for the long term and the Twitter JS will blow over soon. No reason not to have a valid redirect because of a short-term event. The Whispering Wind (talk) 04:02, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wasn't previously aware of this list, but I'm sceptical that the Sacco in that list really should be in there, either. Not to belittle anybody's accomplishments, but the bullet point mentioning her seems to be oddly specific. LFaraone 05:57, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete entirely as news. Not notable before, barely during, or after the news cycle. There are many cases of individuals that are not mentioned. For example, the employee from the DNC that hacked Michael Steele's credit account. We had their name and history yet they need not be immortalized for a single misjudgement. No redirect, no bio. It's not even clear this event will survive the news cycle yet encyclopedic inclusion. Delete and salt for 6 months and see if it's still notable as a BLP identification of the person. --DHeyward (talk) 06:00, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:BLP1E and salt to prevent re-creation. The Twitterstorm will die down in days and it is not right that her name should be permanently linked on any Google search to this one incident of a silly tweet. JohnCD (talk) 09:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about redirect to IAC (company), where she is mentioned there? This caused a lot of global outcry for what she did. Thewildone85 (talk) 17:19, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, that would be bad for just the same reason as this redirect - WP:BLP1E. She is a low-profile individual and, for all the short-term "global outcry", this is not a significant event and will be forgotten in days. See WP:109PAPERS. A redirect from her name would mean that for the rest of her life a Google search would associate her with this one silly tweet. For that matter, I doubt whether the reference in the IAC company article will stick. JohnCD (talk) 17:50, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's a peculiar Wikipedia concept that it we control google results. Using the example DHeyward provided, google "Lauren Weiner" -- the only reason the DNC employee doesn't pop higher than about six is her name is common enough to commingle with other folks. A search of Lauren B. Weiner is unequivocal -- and this is from a seven year old incident. I don't care that much one way or the other whether Wikipedia references Sacco, but the decision should be based on whether it's suitable for an encyclopeida, not canards about Google searches. (See also Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Afd_and_robots.txt )NE Ent 18:57, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment WP:BLP1E is about articles, not redirects. As long as we have information about the tweeter somewhere (in this case IAC (company)) there's no reason why this redirect should be deleted; obviously, if that information is removed (whether due to WP:NOTNEWS or some other reason) then that will change. (And if the information is kept, there's still the question of whether information about Sacco the tweeter or information about Sacco the soldier should be the target.) In any case, at least for the time being, I don't think deleting is the best course of action. Sideways713 (talk) 15:33, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The information is not in the target article, as stated in my nomination. LFaraone 17:11, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I fully agree the current target isn't good, but with better targets available that need not mean the redirect should be deleted. Sideways713 (talk) 18:48, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I sort of bow to WP:RTAF when redirecting names of people who have very minor mentions in other articles; its not really useful to our readers to just redirect to the only mention of a person named "Justine Sacco" if we're not going to give them more than a sentence or two of context. As non-redlinked, you'll end up with a disambiguation problem if we later write an article about yet another Justine replacing the (retargetted) redirect. LFaraone 18:57, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, without prejudice For lack of a better place to post, I left a note at WP:AN to pre-emptively block creation of an article (or, in this case, redirect) about this woman. She's only notable for one thing -- destroying her career & life with a single tweet -- & there's no evidence yet that what she did will have a notable effect on the wider world. Give this a few weeks or a month to see what happens. Maybe she proves to be a 28-karat asshole, & this is only the first of many infamous actions. Or maybe she becomes an AIDS activist. Or maybe 3 days from now no one remembers her. -- llywrch (talk) 22:51, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, for the love of God. Kelly hi! 03:57, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, Very Much Not Needed. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 11:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Pointless, objectionable, violative of WP:BLP policy, etc. etc. etc. Collect (talk) 13:52, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and salt. I've just removed mention of her from IAC (company), since this business does not seem to be of historical importance to the company. And a separate biographical article on her would be entirely unjustified. Deletion is the best solution, and salting to prevent recreation would seem advisable. Robofish (talk) 16:54, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Create "Reputation Hazards" section in Twitter and/or Social Media. There is a current discussion on Talk:Twitter#Sacco as to whether or not an expansion/new section in Twitter and/or Social media related to reputational hazards should be created. This article on CNN expands on the Sacco incident to the larger issues with other examples. Editors are invited to participate in the discussion and provide additional references--Nowa (talk) 21:48, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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