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December 1[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 1, 2010

Suspect guest house, Jalalabad[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 14:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A particularly contentious AfD on this page, over a year ago, was closed as a Delete. The very same day, it was preserved as a redirect by User:Geo Swan, who as it happens was the creator of the original article and by far the most prolifically vocal Keep advocate. The same thing happened to Suspect guest house, Konduz, which was likewise closed as a Delete, by the same Mr. Swan, likewise the creator and likewise the most prolific opponent of deletion. I need not lean too heavily on the extreme unlikelihood of these coming up as search terms, or on the impropriety of immediately recreating the articles after deletion as redirects.  Ravenswing  21:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, don't see any strong relationship between the titles. Rehman 14:22, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Clarification please -- what would you require in order for you to recognize the close relationship between the terms? These terms are closely related. At the time I created the redirects they had multiple incoming wikilinks. All anyone who wanted to see how Suspect guest house, Jalalabad was related to the topic of Al-Qaeda safe houses would have needed to do was click on the "what links here" button for Suspect guest house, Jalalabad. That won't work at this time, as another contributor, not the nominator here, delinked all the incoming wikilinks. If those links hadn't been delinked they would contain the context that demonstrated the close relationship.

      American intelligence analysts conflated two terms that have separate meanings for civilians, guest house (lodging) and safe house. Over one hundred Guantanamo captives had their continued detention justified, in part, because they had stayed in a guest house or safe house that had triggered American intelligence analysts suspicions. Third party scholars who have written about this phenomenon have noted that DoD analysts always conflated the two terms. For this reason I suggest that redirecting an wikilink on a suspect guest house to Al-Qaeda safe house is completely reasonable.

      You may feel the redirect only makes sense, if there are incoming wikilinks. I think those incoming wikilinks should be restored, after a re-write of the passages where they occur. I have tried to get the contributor who delinked these wikilinks to discuss their concerns with me, and to discuss alternatives that address their concerns. I am very sorry to report that I have, so far, been met with a complete lack of cooperation. Rather, all I get are accusations that I am violating WP:Ownership. I see these accusations as illustrative of a lack of understanding of WP:Ownership. The way I see it good faith contributors are encouraged to voice good faith questions and concerns over any edit they see a problem with, without regard to who made the original edits to that passage in question, and, so long as the questions and concerns are policy-based and made in good faith, they should not be characterized as a lapse from WP:Ownership when the edit is to material the questioner originally contributed. Geo Swan (talk) 13:05, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • WRT "impropriety" -- This nomination characterizes my creation of these redirections as an "impropriety". Since other articles included wikilinks to these terms, and the deletions turned those wikilinks to redlinks, I am frankly puzzled to see my redirection of the redlink to a related article described as an impropriety. Geo Swan (talk) 20:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I asked the admin who closed the {{afd}} for their opinion as to whether I committed an "impropriety". Here is their reply. Geo Swan (talk) 12:17, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is not that you redirected a redlink. It's that you recreated articles that community consensus saw as unnecessary mere hours after deletion. If a redirect was appropriate, the community would have advocated that at AfD. They didn't.  Ravenswing  17:12, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • I did not "...recreate[d] articles that community consensus saw as unnecessary mere hours after deletion." A redirect is not an article. I see you are a regular patroller, so I am very surprised to see you make this mistake. It really surprises because, as a regular patroller, surely you know a recreation of a deleted article would be eligible for speedy deletion as a WP:CSD#G10?

        While this particular {{afd}} did not say, one way or another, whether the redlinks should be dealt with through the creation of a redirect, or through setting a bot to work to delink the redlinks, other similar {{afd}} have recommended the creation of redirects to related, but more thoroughly referenced articles. Geo Swan (talk) 14:05, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per Rehman. No strong connection. -DJSasso (talk) 12:34, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and Rehman. IQinn (talk) 17:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • WRT the relationship between the redirect and target article -- 122 of the 2004 memos that laid out the justification for the Guantanamo captives continued detention justified that detention due to an allegation they stayed in a guest house or safe house suspected of ties to terrorism. Joseph Felter and his colleagues comment on these allegations in detail, throughout "An Assessment of 516 Combatant Status Review Tribunal (CSRT) Unclassified Summaries". The last half of page 26, all of page 27, and the first paragraph of page 28 focus in detail on guest house stay. The article makes crystal clear, that Felter and his colleagues recognized that US intelligence analysts treated a stay in a suspicious guest house in Jalalabad as just as much of a threat as a stay in safe house known to be run by al Qaeda or the Taliban. The idea that they the two terms are closely related is not my invention. Geo Swan (talk) 13:19, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Joseph Felter, Jarret Brachman (2007-07-25). "CTC Report: An Assessment of 516 Combatant Status Review Tribunal (CSRT) Unclassified Summaries". Combating Terrorism Center. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2009-08-30. GUEST HOUSE: Evidence of staying at a guest house known or suspected to be used as a way station for individuals enroute to supporting jihad and other terrorist activities. (24% of the CSRT unclassified summaries)
The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.

Terry Pratchett/Great Atuin[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Deleted. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any reason for this redirect. It has no incoming links, it's not useful for searching and it has no significant history. Svick (talk) 19:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, per nom. Rehman 14:23, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.

Marquise de Boufflers[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Re-targeted to Marie Françoise Catherine de Beauvau. That was the only article I found on a "marquise de Boufflers". If there are others, this can be expanded to a disambiguation page. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:37, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this redirect. "Marquise" is a woman's title, Louis is a man - and a duke not a marquis. There were also apparently several "marquises de Boufflers".--Folantin (talk) 15:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, if it could be proven that these two are not the same person. Or disambiguate if necessary. Rehman 14:24, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.

Wikipedia:Is...[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Already deleted by User:Courcelles. --Taelus (talk) 10:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all - I see no reason for these redirects to exist. I doubt anyne would go looking for these (Iit would make sense to look for "Wikipedia:Wikipedia is ...", not "Wikipedia:Is...", except where the "Is" is part of a question.) עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep all people use these all the time in discussions to link to the page. 65.93.13.216 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:31, 2 December 2010 (UTC).[reply]
  • Weak delete. My first impresstion was to vote "keep". But looking at the number of links to it, and the nominators reason, IMO it's good to go. Rehman 14:28, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.

Facebook.com/djquikvic[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Both source and target deleted - target as self redirect, source as a redirect to a deleted page. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:35, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not needed Confession0791 talk 09:50, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy close. This was an implausible redirect to a facebook page after the editor's article was deleted. Nothing to discuss. Cindamuse (talk) 10:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.

Template:WPSD/Sandbox[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Delete. WOSlinker (talk) 14:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Housekeeping. The original template for this redirect was deleted long ago, there are no articles linking to it and there is not need for it. Kumioko (talk) 05:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.

Template:WPMIX/Sandbox[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Delete. WOSlinker (talk) 14:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Housekeeping. The original template for this redirect was deleted long ago, there are no articles linking to it and there is not need for it. Kumioko (talk) 05:27, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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