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August 20[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 20, 2009

Al Qaida faciliator[edit]

The result of the discussion was Delete all. Killiondude (talk) 08:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest deletion is the appropriate action for these redirects. All of these redirects point to Al Qaida, even though every article where they were used there was already a wikilink directly to Al Qaida, usually in the same sentence, or earlier in that paragraph. I requested discussion of about 70 similarly overly broad and unhelpful redirects on the 18th: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. I believe the single contributor who created these redirects, and several dozen more redirects from places in Afghanistan, directly to Afghanistan was well-intentioned, when they made them. That contributor has said they believe their redirects strictly comply with WP:Linking. I disagree whether they comply with WP:Linking because they are redundant, don't aid in understanding or navigation. They are likely to annoy any readers who click on them, who thought they were going to be taken to an article about the place. Further, they are likely to confuse contributors working on these topics, by masking that the target articles haven't yet been created. In their defense of redirecting several dozen red-links to things like "Taliban fighter" and "Taliban member" the contributor who made the redirections argued "These are allegations and have been shown as untrue in some cases.". I am concerned that this comment reflects a misunderstanindg of WP:VER. Our coverage is supposed to be guided by what is verifiable from authoritative, verifiable references -- not guided by our personal interpretations of what is or isn't "true". The contributor who made these redirects commented, in their defense of similar redirect to "Taliban", that: "Red-links would unnecessarily further highlight these allegations". There have been several methodical, systematic studies of the wording Guantanamo intelligence analysts used to describe how Guantanamo captives were associated with the Taliban and Al Qaeda, like this one. These terms have been studied, and commented upon, in detail. This is not the place to discuss how to cover these terms. But I remain sure that these terms should be covered somehow. Anyone who wishes to discuss it is welcome to leave a note on my talk page, or on Wikiproject:Terrorism. Geo Swan (talk) 22:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all per nom. When a reader clicks on a bluelink that is a redirect, he should be taken to an article that contains information about the subject. In a case where the phrase "al Qaida facilitator" is wikilinked (e.g. [[al-Qaida facilitator]]), the best course of action is not to create a redirect for that title, but rather to edit the page to remove or modify the link (e.g. [[al-Qaida]] facilitator). And, for what it's worth, I think that Geo Swan is correct to believe that many readers would indeed be annoyed at being forced to wait for a 80KB page to load only to discover that the page contains no information about their desired topic. –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 19:47, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all plus all involving spelling variants of 'Al Qaida' such as Al Qaeda member. The name of the organization is the search term, period. The rest is overkill (my apologies - I don't think 'redundant' is the right word). B.Wind (talk) 02:49, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.

JamesNintendoNerd[edit]

The result of the discussion was Keep. Killiondude (talk) 08:51, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At no point was AVGN ever referred to by this title. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 04:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Per my argument above. — Σxplicit 05:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep You're wrong, he is referred to by this IF you're talking about his YouTube username. Your argument for deleting this is weak. 194.144.87.74 (talk) 00:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as the archive of a RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.

Falun_Gong/Archive2[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was speedily deleted CSD G6 by User:Killiondude (non-admin close). B.Wind (talk) 01:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move to delete unused redirects of no relevance to articles' current or anticipated structure and content. Ohconfucius (talk) 03:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.
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