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21 (Adele album)

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I've listed this article for peer review because I desperately need some fresh pairs of eyes to look it over. I'd love to take it to FAC soon, and wanted to make sure that it was up to standard before I nominated it. My major issue right now is the prose. Also, the article could use a bit of trimming, but I've grown too emotionally attached to edit it down. Any help or suggestions welcomed.

Thanks, Orane (talk) 08:59, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Brief comments by Lemonade51

Thank you for your work on this, not the biggest fan of Adele alas but I don't think anyone can deny that her voice is magnifique. This is a very well produced article so kudos. I won't go into much detail on prose unfortunately nor haven't checked for Oxford comma but skim reading this, here is what I have found (of course if I find anymore I'll let you know...)

• "The media scrambled to ascertain the...", is scrambled the word you are looking for?
• In 'Titling' you use the word 'symbolized'. Should that be 'symbolised' because the majority of the article looks to be written in British English?
• Under 'Promotion', it states "The singer underwent vocal surgery in November 2011". Perhaps there needs to be a short addition about the result of the surgery, that it was a success? Doesn't have to be a lot of sentences because it has nothing to do with the article, few words in that already constructed sentence would do.
• "...performing on Britain's Royal Variety Performance on 9 December 2010, BBC Radio 1's Live Lounge on 27 January, and on the finale of reality singing competition The Voice of Holland, on 21 January 2011", Voice of Holland should come before Live Lounge.
• "Switzerlandand", spacing.
• Ref 70 was published on The Observer, not its sister publication The Guardian.
• Ref 139 states the work as 'BBC Online'. I believe Newsbeat, the news platform for Radio 1 is a division of 'BBC News'. So maybe BBC News should be the work?
• Couple of dead links which should be the least of your worries considering you are looking for prose checks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lemonade51 (talk • contribs)

• Thank you so much for the input. Will set about implementing your suggestions immediately.
• "Scrambled" was the word I was looking for (the idea of a media frenzy and journalists tripping over themselves to come up with reasons to explain the album's success), but I'll remove it since it's syntactically awkward. Orane (talk) 20:23, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
• Thanks again for the comments. Orane (talk) 20:23, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Comments by Jivesh

• Before I start, I need to know whether you are using "the owner" (according to WP) or the "the publisher" (according to WP) in the publisher parameter in your citations? This can be problematic. For consistency, I will advise you to use the owner (which in most cases is the publishing company) in each citation. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

• As per the template specifications, the publishers for British newspapers are the owners, while the publishers for American newspapers are individual persons. So, I used the "publisher". Orane (talk) 06:22, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

• Ok. Lol. now it will be easier for me. :D Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:43, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

• Sorry. I will get to this today itself. In three hours or less. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:51, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• Take your time. No rush. Orane (talk) 06:55, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• I may be wrong but this sentence Released on 24 January 2011 in the United Kingdom and most of Europe, and on 22 February 2011 in North America, caused me ask myself, isn't the UK in Europe?
• in the U.S. --> US
  • Hi Jivesh, MOS:ABBR allows for either style of USA as long as the writer only sticks to one. "UK" on the other hand should never have periods/full stops. MOS only asks for consistency amongst the US abbreviations. Best, —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 10:58, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• Well Orane will to apply the U.S. in Charts and certifications as well then. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:03, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I have never read such a lead. It is perfect. I as moving to the other sections. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:30, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

References

• FN 12: Shouldn't you be using Daily Mail and General Trust?

• Done

• FN 16: M - has an article + publisher is Bauer Media Group

• It's actually not the same magazine. This one is an American teen mag; the one in the article is a British Magazine.

• FN 30: WSJ is published by Dow Jones & Company

• Done

• FN 34: Metacritic has an article Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:45, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• FN 55: It is a blog. Remove it.
• FN 56: Use {{cite news}}
• FN 57: Rovi Corporation would be perfect as the publisher
• FN 60: Use {{cite news}}

• This is actually not an actual newspaper.Orane (talk) 05:34, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• FN 61: Not sure about Soul Culture

• Will look into it.

• FN 70: Shouldn't you be suing Guardian Media Group? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
  • LMAO! Why the hell would he sue Guardian Media Group. Jivesh, your keyboard is too much. :D — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Using. :D My keyboard... hmmm it is legendary. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:11, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
• FN 82: Link The Official Charts Company
• FN 86: Unlink everything and link in FN 72
• FN 90: Unlink Time
• FN 91: Same as FN 70
• FN 94: Daily News has an article.
• FN 98: It will be questioned.
• FN 99: I think BBC will be more than enough. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:01, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• FN 105: Grammy.com has an article.
• FN 111: Correct the work parameter and unlink the publisher
• FN 128: Should be The Official Charts Company
• FN 133: Same
• FN 135: Same
• FN 140: Unlink
• FN 141: BBC Online has an article.
• FN 142: Should be The Official Charts Company
• FN 147: Unlink MegaCharts
• FN 149: State is a magazine and it is published by Roger Woolman.

• No longer an magazine. Ceased circulation. Now an online publication.

• FN 150: Chart-Track has an article. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:25, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• Waayyy past my bed time, but I just want to say 3 things: 1. I love-love-love your suggestions. And 2 It's actually "Official Charts Company" (without "The") :). 3. I made an edit and screwed up the refs. So the ones you listed here aren't the same ref numbers that appear in the article. But I know which ones you are talking about. Anyway, gotta run, but thanks soo much. Orane (talk) 11:45, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• You are most welcome Orane. :)) Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:00, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Think I got 99% of it. Will try to see about a couple sources, like the blog etc. Orane (talk) 05:34, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I have not finished yet with the references. This is my favorite part. :P Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Wow, I see that you have already fixed most of references from FN 151 onward per the above comments.

• FN 199: Over-linking of Ultratop
• FN 202: Over-linking of MegaCharts

Jivesh1205 (Talk) 10:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Comments by Legolas

• I think the approach that you have chosen for listing the locations of newspapers which are unobtainable from their names, is brilliant and on-par with the citation templates. At a first glance I did not see any discrepancy in the citations. I will inspect it more now and go citation by citation. By the way, some of the references miht be questioned at FAC. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:55, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• The Chart Watch/Yahoo sources will be questioned, I'm sure. But I have my defense speech ready hahaha. Are there any others? Orane (talk) 06:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• Orane, is there any way to archive the Adele.tv link and the video? It's importance is unprecedented and the article would fall if that link went dead for some reason. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

• I'll try to archive the page. I don't know if it will keep the videos intact, though :(. Orane (talk) 05:52, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• Do you know any sites that host transcripts? Those can be archived I'm sure. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 10:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• No, not aware of any sites. I'm kinda worried now... Orane (talk) 20:02, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• I actually can't archive. When I do, the videos don't work. Compare: http://www.adele.tv/trackbytrack/archive/ and http://www.webcitation.org/659w0g2uy. Orane (talk) 20:07, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Comment by Status

I have nothing to add to this review (sorry), but I just wanted to say how good this article is! You've done some great work here! I personally could never handle something this big! Takes a real good editor! — Status {^talk_contribs 03:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks soo much for your comment. Really appreciated. :) Orane (talk) 05:03, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Comments from Sp33dyphil

• MOS calls the inclusion of alt text.
• Four references are dead.
• "album's enigmatic popularity" Why enigmatic?
• "an overtly sexual and sonically bombastic music industry." Are all those industry jargons? No idea what they mean.
• "Adele had met Ryan Tedder at the Grammy Awards ceremony in Los Angeles and had approached him about" --> "Adele had approached Ryan Tedder at the Grammy Awards ceremony in Los Angeles about"
• "the lyrics towards her recent experiences." --> "the lyrics to reflect her recent experiences."
• "the "'long tail' sales theory"[66] in order to shape"
• "stops in New York, Minneapolis, as well as an exclusive" --> "stops in New York and Minneapolis, as well as an exclusive" I'm not 100% sure about this, but the same issue had been raised during my previous GA/FA promotions.
• twitter should be capitalised.
• "a vocal hemorrhage that caused "internal bleeding near her vocal chords"." A vocal hemorrhage *is* internal bleeding near her vocal cords, not the cause of it. It's like saying "The car crash resulted in two cars crashing into each other." You should either get rid of "vocal hemorrhage that caused" or "that caused "internal bleeding near her vocal chords".
• Wikify "Flanders".
• Be consistent whether to include serial commas or not.
• "score of 76/100 based" Given that you've mentioned Metacritic's rating system to be out of 100, I find this redundant.
• "Where 19 was" --> "Whereas 19 was"?
• There's a Citation needed template.
• "certified 14-times platinum" --> "certified platinum 14 times"

• Don't agree with this. Your option is like telling it was given the platinum certification fourteen times and at the end of the day, it is still platinum. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I see what I've missed now. Thanks for the tip --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 08:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• "As of January 2012, it has had spent"
• "best-selling album of the year by a considerable margin." Mind telling the reader what the margin is? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 06:54, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

PS I really like "Rolling in the Deep", so I can relate to the album :) --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 08:47, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you so very much for the comments and suggestions. Will begin implementing them as soon as I can. And yes, "Rolling in the Deep" is amazing, isn't it?

• PS: "an overtly sexual and sonically bombastic music industry". No, these are not jargons. "Overtly sexual"--> hyper-sexualized, and "sonically"-->relating to audio/sounds/the ear, "bombastic"-->flashy; (i.e music that is showy and excessively flashy). The comment was about the album's success, and how it was radical to the overly sexual and flashy dance music that now saturates the music industry. It's expanded in the "Impact and response" section. Orane (talk) 09:55, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• Before you can take it to FA, you have to take it to GA. I made this paragraph short. Nineteen-Eightyit(s) (talk) 23:54, 4 February 2012 (UTC)