Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Archive/2008/April

P.C

What do P.C mean at the end of a Lawyer's name? Georgiabp (talk) 15:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Go to PC, then look for "attorney". Sbowers3 (talk) 17:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

You might be looking for professional corporation. Nothing444 18:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

You spoiled it. ;) I wanted the user to learn by doing. PC is a disambig page and attorney is right next to Professional corporation. Sbowers3 (talk) 19:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Not necessarily. From privy council: "Privy Council members in the UK are called Privy Counsellors and are addressed as The Right Honourable (shortened to Rt Hon). If they are members of the peerage, they are entitled to use the post-nominal letters PC." Feyrauth (talk) 03:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Using Arabic and Hebrew in my article.

I would like to use Arabic and Hebrew in my article but I dont know how. Is it possible if the rest of the article is in English? I think I've seen this done before.

Thanks,

Kornx2 (talk) 10:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Just write/copy it in, it will work fine. αѕєηιηє ^t/_c 18:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, see Template {{lang}}--Ccson (talk) 17:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

My edit doesn't show?

I recentley made some changes to the page List of National Trust properties in England my changes only show when I am logged into Wikipedia, can somebody please explain why this is.

I have searched both the FAQ and help but cannot find and answer.

Thanks.

Peter.baugh (talk) 10:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Probably a caching problem. I'm purged the server cache; you may need to bypass your browser cache also. Algebraist 12:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit doesn't show despite code appearing to be correct

Hi,

I've been building an entry for Walsall Hospital Radio over the past few days. When I update it in Firefox my edits show properly, however when I've checked out the page on other computers a far older version of the page comes up and my page edits are not displayed properly in the history tab. Stranger still, the code for the current version of the page still appears in the edit tab despite an older page actually being displayed.

Help would be appreciated!

Richardjstanley (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

This may be a cache issue - try following the instructions at Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

adding links to existing articles

What are the guidelines about adding links to existing articles. For example, I want to add a link to a blog that summarizes all the decisions of a particular state court--to the existing article that summarizes or gives an overview of the laws of that state. Ischia (talk) 02:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:External links. Besides that, consider that there may be a conflict of interest (adding a link to your own site). And maybe Wikipedia:Reliable sources if you are going to use that link to justify something in the article. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 02:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Bear in mind that, in addition to not being considered a reliable source, blogs are also discouraged in the external links section. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)}

That does depend on the blog, though. A blog written by, say, a respected journalist, would be given more weight as a source than some random LiveJournal, and if the only content of the blog is a summary of official legal proceedings, then you could probably make a decent argument for using it. I would suggest asking on the Reliable sources noticeboard. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 03:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Help me with formatting please!

I have been tasked with creating a page about Optivus Proton Therapy and I am having difficulty setting up the page correctly without having editors critizing my work or formatting skills. I've read and re-read all your posted information about page setups and I thought I corrected the problems, but obviously not according to the latest talks. I really want to make this page perfect but I cant seem to insert our logo to legitimize the work. Help!! Kjohnson47 KJ (talk) 17:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

To add an image to a page, see here. asenine ^t/_c 06:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Images don't appear in my Gallery

I uploaded some images in Wikipedia, before I realised they should go straight into Commons. Now I don't know how to get them to appear in my Gallery view. For example Image:Lacon Bridge-1.JPG - this image is clearly attributed as my work but was moved to Commons by someone else. Can I edit the description so it appears in the Gallery? Not for vanity reasons, just need to keep track of what images I've uploaded.

Ok, I'll take a stab at this one since no one else is. First, I'm not sure what you mean by "get them to appear in my gallery view." You clearly know how to display the things, so that's not what you're asking. If you're asking if they can appear in a local category, then no. You'd have to categorize them on commons if that's the case. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I just checked and only one image is causing a problem, so I'll just re-load it with a different name.

ProfDEH (talk) 20:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Question on categories

What are the correct categories for people who have participated in the paralymics, and also Iraq War veterans. Is there an easy way to find or ask for categories? This is regarding Casey Owens (marine) NewAtThis (talk) 12:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I like using Google for finding categories. For example, in this search, Category:Paralympic competitors is the third hit. With these keywords, you can find Category:American military personnel of the Iraq War. — Ksero (talk | contribs) 12:45, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Searching#Namespaces searched by default. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The sneaky way is to find another article that you suspect would be in the same category, and check what categories it's in. For example, to find where paralympians go, I'd go to Paralympics and pick a random name from there. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Creating an article

The article we have created is being marked for speedy deletion but the language is identical to other similar articles. How do we edit it to fit the accepted Wikipedia criteria? Brittmonroe (talk) 13:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, a great start is usually your first article. However, since you specifically mention speedy deletion, you may want to read up on the guidelines/criteria that you need to conform to at speedy deletion criteria. When you make your article finally go live, it's always a good idea to have reliable sources cited, and that you aren't promoting any entity and that it is verifiable and neutral. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 13:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

help me become a member to navigate google earth

Please fill in the subject box above, then replace this text with your question, and don't forget to sign by leaving the following four tildes (~'s) in place which automatically formats to your signature once you click "save page" below. 122.162.124.2 (talk) 16:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia has nothing to do with Google Earth. --Golbez (talk) 17:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, there is a slight connection; Google Earth parses the Wikipedia database for {{ref}} templates and adds links to Wikipedia accordingly on their map when the Wikipedia layer is enabled. That doesn't seem to have anything to do with the question, though; Google and Wikimedia are separate organisations, and so the question doesn't seem to have much to do with Wikipedia. --ais523 08:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Search for internal links

How do I find a list of other pages that link to a certain page? I'm especially looking for a list of redirects, but all internal links would also be useful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A Knight Who Says Ni (talk • contribs) 23:45, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Click on the "what links here" link under the search bar on the left. There is an option to find redirects only, and you can also sort by namespace. Someguy1221 (talk) 00:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Question

Dear

I am looking for the origen of the term "smoke". I know is regarding to first class sargeant who is in charge of the platoon (artillery). And I also belive that the origen of the word was in Valley Forge but I couldn't find more information about the origen of this term.

I will immensely appreciate if you can give more information about the origen of "smoke" term in the U.S Artillery o where I would find some information.

Thank you very much

GLORIA

<email removed for protection> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.129.164 (talk) 00:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried the language section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Viewing/saving an edited page trouble

Hello

Only done a bit of editing and never had any trouble before, and can’t find the answers elsewhere. I have been adding some information to the page about the surf film Blue Juice. When editing I have been logged in, and when the page is saved I see all the changes, but when I use a different computer, or log out and clear the cache, the article reverts to the old version. I can see all the changes in the edit this page section, but it doesnt seem to be saving properly. Wondering if it a browser issue (older version of Safari on early OS X)

Thanks in advance. Roktraktor (talk) 20:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Did you try purging the page?--Sunny910910 ^{(talk|Contributions|Guest)} 23:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

That seems to have worked! Thanks again. Roktraktor (talk) 19:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Neologisms

Dear Help team. I have just written a couple of essays about my neologism, the "Hyper-Fandom" and I wanted to know wheter or not it is possible to create an article about this topic, for i wont be able to get any references... thanks for your help Lucky Gamling (talk) 15:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, that would constitute original research, one of our core policies. However, you could always bring your thoughts about neologisms to the discussion page for that policy (see the previous link) and see if anything you've written can be integrated. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 15:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Correcting editing errors

Please see the entry for James Otis Kaler. I attempted to add material to it today, made some sort of mistake which resulted in the deletion of half of the existing entry, and can't figure out how to recover from this. Can you tell me how to revert to the version that was current as of this morning? Or can someone do it for me? 69.157.29.39 (talk) 20:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I corrected the error. The way you inserted the external link caused a formatting problem. If you ever encounter a problem like this again, don't panic. Simply click the history tab at the top of the article where you can compare two versions of the article, yours and the one before it, for example. You can then revert to the earlier version without the error. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 20:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

can't find the way in to submit an article

I can't find the way in to submit an article. I have one all written up and I can copy it into "Editing ahs999" but while I can "save page", there is no button for "submit". There is no indication what else to do and there is no indication that the button click at "save" has done anything. Same with this page I am writing now

In other words, there is something badly wrong with the design of pages like this one "Editing Wikipedia" . No intuitive signal as to where to go next. Help Please ! ahs (talk) 22:05, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

repeating my question just asked. Half of it got erased by the system when I "saved" It is extremely difficult to follow instructions about submitting an article. If one copies the text and edits it in the box, the only way forward is to "save" That brings no other instruction or response like "your article is now in file ... or "thank you for your submission, now do this ..." i.e. a bad user interface !! ahs (talk) 22:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. i HAVE SPENT DAYS READING THE PIECES LIKE "WIKIPEDIA, YOUR FURST ARTICLE". THEY AREN'T VERY GOOD EITHER.ahs (talk) 22:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 22:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so if that wasn't helpful - let me be a little more frank/succint. Simply cut and paste the text that you've written on your userpage (or anywhere else for that matter) into the white box of the article you wish to create after searching for it. That's the most important thing. Search first and ensure that it doesn't exist on the Wiki yet. When the search fails, click on the "create this article" link near the top (last bullet point I believe) of the page and simply cut and paste your text into the space. Click save page. You've just created your first article. Now, bear in mind our policies (as stated in my last response to you) and you should be fine. Also, if your account is less than four days old, you won't be able to create the article. Cheers and happy editing dude. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 01:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

How to Correct Edit Mistake? First time user.

Attempted to add my name to Hunter College High School website under the alumin section and the information was displayed in the next category under "see also" How do I correct the mistake? 24.176.193.213 (talk) 02:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I have reverted your edits, because they removed a couple of important things. To edit a section of a page, you need to click on the [edit] link next to the section title. However, please note that lists such as the one on that page are generally for the inclusion of notable examples, and generally requires citation (notice that the list includes a footnote to a page on the school's website listing some of its notable alumni). Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 03:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

user page

Is it alright to copy articles and help pages to my user page for easier reference? Thank you. Mike Presson (talk) 04:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Of course! Right? BoL (Talk) 04:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Just say include in the edit summary a link to the page you copied from and all is well. It would be much easier, however, to transclude the pages onto your userpage. It makes the source of your userpage smaller, and it will remain up to date with the actual pages. Someguy1221 (talk) 17:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Be careful of one thing: you should not have any images that are not free, i.e., images used under fair use law, duplicated on your user page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Change of Title

How do i delete a page i created and remake it, or recreate the title for it? The page i created is for, Eren Cannata, but when it comes up his last name is lower case, please let me know how to fix this, thank you. please notify me on my talk page.

Avi Svirsky Asvirsky1 (talk) 00:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the page has been deleted as it met the criteria for deletion. The notice on your talk page contains more information. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 00:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

In the future, if you wish to change the title of a page, you would click/use the "move" tab at the top of the screen. Also, bear in mind that only registered users greater than four days old may perform such an action. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 00:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

For applying

how to apply for this course?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.177.154.154 (talk) 07:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Your post lacks context. You are at Wikipedia, an encyclopedia with a few million articles. We can't know what "course" you are referring to without more specific information. Note that we do have a sister site, Wikiversity, which offers forms of courses.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

George Monoux

Resolved

Is this article about a school or a person? Should it not be split? - Kittybrewster ☎ 08:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I find there is an article called Sir George Monoux College. - Kittybrewster ☎ 08:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding a language?

I wanted to add a new language to Wikipedia. It is the Rusyn language, spoken by nearly 20000 people in Serbia, several thousand in Croatia, and thousands of people in other parts of the world and to start writing articles with some of my friends using this language. How can I add this language? Bojan Quasarbk (talk) 18:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Quasarbk. Please see m:Meta:Language proposal policy.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

how to write an article

I would like to know how to contribute an article Alan Mumby <removed email for your safety>. Amumby (talk) 19:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 20:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Obscenities on Union Flag page

Resolved

Embedded in the source of the page are some obscene words and a name

 (MOHAMED SHABAAN YOUNIS  EGYPT/LUXOR 
             MY OLD IS 20 YEAR I HAS DOBLOMAA /pre>

MY HOPPEIS IS PLAY FOOTBALL AND *** WOMANS AND ***********.) I have omitted repeating the obscene words. I have tried to edit it out but cannot. Would you please clean is up? The page is about the Union Flag (British Union Jack) Edony (talk) 23:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Another user just fixed it. Thanks for reporting this, but in the future you can do it yourself by following instructions at WP:REVERT. Malinaccier (talk) 23:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Printed copy

I would like a printed copy of the enxyc;opedia. Can I print one from my computer or do I need to order a copy? 99.207.150.149 (talk) 00:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• You're kidding, right? This encyclopedia would take up way, way, way more than your entire hard drive I'm certain. It would be enough pages to fill several rooms. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 00:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• The English Wikipedia currently has 6,824,168 articles and I doubt you want to print that. There is no printed version but there are considerations to publish selected articles on print at some time. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Contribs count

Is there a way to get the number of contributions you've made, other than manually counting all of them? Thanks in advance. Revan ^(Talk?) 03:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

See WP:COUNT for a list of edit counters. Also see m:Editcountitis. Soxred93 | talk bot 03:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Or you can go to your Special:Preferences and look under the "User profile" tab. --Silver Edge (talk) 04:01, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

wikichart

I want to know where I can find wikicharts. I am having trouble finding it. Please help me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookiesmell (talk • contribs) 03:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• What do you mean specifically? Like making a table of information? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 03:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• See http://stats.grok.se/ and the top at http://stats.grok.se/en/top. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding Dr. Lorenzo Niles Fowler to the site

I was researching phrenology and could not find an entry for Dr. Lorenzo Niles Fowler, a noted phrenologist of the 19th century but found a little info on his brother Orson Squire Fowler and none on him. How can details of Lorenzo be added to the site? The NYT ran his obituary on September 4, 1896 which provides some info as well as a bit of general info on the site on phrenology.

Please advise.

thanks.

---

You can go here to see what you have to do to create a new article on Wikipedia. Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 03:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 20:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Posting an article

i want to create a new page to post an article .......how?

If you do a search for the term you are creating an article on and no article has that title, one of the links to appear will be titled "Create the page." And please read Wikipedia:Your first article. Someguy1221 (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Go to the "search" field on the left. Enter the title of the article you wanted to create and press "Go". See the search results below and make sure there is no article with a similar content. And click the "Create the page" link. Put the content you want to include into the box below and preview. If there is no problem, save the page. Visit me at Ftbhrygvn (Talk|Contribs|Log|Userboxes) 05:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleting a page

I found a page that refers to a person that it is not real..What can i do to delete it? Djibril783 (talk) 20:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I've volunteered to help this user by working with him/her on his/her talk page -- I found his first attempt at having it deleted. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Page Not Needed

There's a page that is not needed. How do I propose it for deletion BlackFrostFan (talk) 22:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

See WP:DELETE. You can nominate it for speedy deletion if it meets one of those criteria exactly, or "prod it" (proposed deletion) if you feel it's fairly uncontroversial, or send the article to articles for deletion if you're not sure what to do, or feel the deletion might need further discussion. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

J. B. Dadachanji

He was one of the most renowned lawyers, who set foot on the Indian Soil. How can you leave him out in your fact file. He conducted various matters before the Supreme Court like Keshavananda Bharti, Privy Purse, Union Carbide Matter, Oleum Gas Leak matter, Indira Ganndhi vs. Raj Narain, and the list is endless even in the Commercial litigation. He has filed before the Supreme Court the most matters till 2001 when he stopped practicing. Recipient of many international awards, Dadachanji was doyen of the Indian Bar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.138.125 (talk) 06:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

If you think there are reliable sources about J. B. Dadachanji to satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (people) then you can suggest an article at Wikipedia:Requested articles or Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Articles are created by volunteer editors on their own initiative without an overall system. Maybe nobody has evaluated Dadachanji yet. If you don't have a conflict of interest then you could also write an article yourself. Here is general advice about article creation:

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Password change unsuccessful

Hi!
I changed my password, reloaded the page after I have saved the preferences, as it was indicated, but only then I got an error message (on the same page, in a rosy box). Then I tried to re-enter the former password using as “old password” both the new and the old, but all that sent me error messages. I am not the only one to use both my PC and this IP, and I guess that next time I'll have to login, I won't be able to do so without any valid password… How do I have to do now?
A thousand thanks for helping me quickly before one of your servers log me out (or before I have to do it myself when I leave the office for some time)! ✓ Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 15:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

At Special:UserLogin I have emailed a new password to the email address registered for your account. Both the new password and that registered before I sent the new should work. I don't have access to any of them. If you don't receive the password mail then try to set another mail address in Special:Preferences while you are still logged in. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

adding my company's name, not a link, for our work...

Wiki,

My company does deep water searches. We are associated with 3 searches on Wikipedia. Two of the searches referenece people on the search or the ship used for the search. Because of that, I don't see what the problem would be in referencing my company, who's equipment and personnel were used in the search - it seems to be the same as putting the people and/or ship - all factual information. What's your take?

thanks,

75.146.52.105 (talk) 17:33, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

See guidelines for external links and WP:SPAM. If you feel like your company enriches the content of an article in particular, you may bring it up on the relevant talk page. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 17:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, if you are inserting information without the proper citations, it may be removed on sight by other editors who challenge it. Please see the link for how to properly cite your sources. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 17:40, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Moderation tools

I am doing a research project for grad school on moderation of user generated content and was wondering if an editor/Wikipedian could help with a few questions. What is the time expenditure per hour of editing that goes toward the removal of malicious content (i.e., pornography, racism, negative political or religious commentary, etc.)? What sort of filtration tools are being used to reduce this time expenditure? What percent of user flagging elicits false positives (where a false positive is flagged content that ought to remain live)?

I'll leave it at those for now.If this is not the forum for these questions, please direct me to where I need to go. Thanks. Lootgrass

Lootgrass (talk) 00:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I would try posing your question at one of our reference desks. This page is for helping new users with using Wikipedia itself. Also, you might want to think about rephrasing your question. You've pretty much admitted that it's an assignment. We cannot do your homework for you. Homework questions tend to be ignored. Cheers. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 01:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not so much a homework question (in the form of the questions that Reference deskers won't answer - e.g. Discuss the influence of the tuba on modern psychology) as it is a kind of survey. However, this isn't the place you're likely to get a particularly helpful response from. For the last question, you may want to ask some administrators (try on WP:AN), since they're the ones who determine if a tagged article gets speedily deleted or not. For the rest, I'd suggest that you might get a response somewhere on the village pump. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 04:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

What does N stand for in user contributions?

Resolved

I tried looking at this page Help:User contributions but no luck. Can anyone help me out? Here is an example of what i am talking about. Thanks Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 03:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, howdy there mate, the N on the user contributions means that they have created a New page! m means a minor edit, and b means a bot edit, respectively. Cheers, BoL (Talk) 03:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes it does, thanks! Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 03:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Ballad formatting

I am trying to format a ballad correctly on the article, Heraclio Bernal. There is a Spanish version, its original language, and an English translation. How can I get this formatted correctly? IT should be four lines for the Spanish version and I would like the English version adjacent to it. It is the last two lines of the article. --I Write Stuff (talk) 14:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I have formatted it with a table. Does it look OK? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks great, thanks again for your assistance. I will have to copy that code for reuse. --I Write Stuff (talk) 13:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Maybe you can help me. Long story really, basically I made a few test edits and User:Barneca deemed them vandalism and gave me warnings. I then went to ask him/her directly why exactly I had been given warnings. I said nothing offensive, though I did question his heavy handedness with the warning botton and suggested that a more reasonable admin might have greated a newbie in a somewhat nicer way. I was stunned when my comments resulted in a 24hr block. Now the block is over I have been trying to talk to User:Barneca about the way he deals with people in general on here, and more specificly his ostensible heavy handedness with new editors when he adjudges them to have commited a minor act of vandalism. Unforunately User:Barneca refuses to talk about this with me. I get the impression that he is an admin whose power has gone slightly to his head and it makes me concerned that he/she may scare away new editors, albeit perhaps unitentionally. As such I was wondering what you might suggest I do about this. I just wish User:Barneca would give people the benefit of the doubt more often and be a bit more pleasant in his dealings with non-admins. 79.69.199.112 (talk) 23:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

No, you've been harrassing and insulting Barneca since he warned you, in addition to hurling obsceneties about. I'm going to suggest you just stop it and forget about it, or you're only going to get more blocks. Someguy1221 (talk) 23:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Discussing Wikipedia entries

I just FIXED a mistake and someone UNFIXED it.

I have SOURCES; he has NONE. I tried to discuss this via Discussion page, but there is NO way to do this.

Thank you, ZWriteZwrite (talk) 23:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by "NO way to do this"? You can create a section to discuss by clicking the '+' link at top of Talk:The Goodbye Girl. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

What did we do wrong?

Hello, My wife, Carol A. Adams, is a poet & author and we posted a piece about her on Wikipedia which has disappeared. What did we do wrong? I'm attaching a copy of the article FYI. Thanks for this, Bob & Carol Adams, "Carol A. Adams is a widely published author. Her poetry has appeared in a number of literary journals and anthologies. Her unique Seniors’ Poetry Workshop methodology had its beginnings in a series of articles she wrote on the Craft of Poetry for the “Canadian Writers Journal,” Carol’s monthly column for the Town Crier Chain of newspapers and a series of Poetry Workshops for Students conducted in the 2001-04 timeframe. Her poetic work was featured in the 2005 book The Missing Line, published by York University’s Canadian Woman Studies, using one of Carol’s poems entitled “The Missing Line,” as the title piece. Recently, she has published a book, “I Remember It Well, Poetry Writing For Seniors”.

Carol now lives in Don Mills with her husband, Bob. She continues to teach, write and conduct poetry workshops in the greater Toronto area.

The book, “I Remember It Well, Poetry Writing For Seniors”, provides activity professionals with little or no poetry training with a template to conduct poetry workshops for seniors at their facilities. It contains an entire fully scripted year of poetry workshops for seniors written in an easy to understand format. Although it focuses on residents in a long-term care facility, the benefits can be extended to younger seniors and mature adults in a private home setting. Based on a series of poetry workshops conducted at Trilogy LTC Centre in Toronto, the objective of the poetry workshop is to promote resident’s self-esteem, enhance their quality of life and increase mental alertness. These objectives were certainly met at Trilogy. The workshops are now into their third year and the residents love it. Many homes think this is a great idea and are going forward with their own workshops. Recent studies and user experience indicate that the mental and creative aspects of poetry workshops include: · Creative art exposure · A significant addition to the field of recreational therapy · An avenue to capture our senior’s very special memories and a way to build up their sense of self worth. · A way to decrease mental age

Carol’s book details the methodology used and gives examples of some of the positive results obtained. “I Remember It Well, Poetry Writing For Seniors” (ISBN#978-1-897113-57-8) by Carol A. Adams includes a year of workshops, fully scripted and ready to go. The cost is $19.95 plus Shipping and Handling and the book is available from the publisher, General Store Publishing House. To purchase this book, please contact Alison Roesler, <deleted> To contact the author, please call <deleted> or e-mail <deleted>." Rdbobadams (talk) 13:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Spam#Advertisements masquerading as articles and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest as the article you composed is promotional in nature and you were writing your spouse. Second, all statements in the article need to be verifiable (see Wikipedia:Verifiability) via reliable sources (see Wikipedia:Reliable sources) and properly cited as the article contained no references from third-party neutral sources. So an article written by you and your wife about your wife will generally be quickly removed per these policies. On your talk page at User talk:Rdbobadams, you have been left a welcome message with links to the fundamental policies of wikipedia and some tutorials to help get you started. -Gwguffey (talk) 15:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Non-visible images

I added two images (anarchocommunism.jpg and Fr-fulr1.gif - accessible by Image:) on the article Anarchist communism, but they don't show up after I have refreshed the page. What have I done wrong? I used the tags Image:anarchocommunism.jpg|thumb|200px|left|Flag with an anarcho-communist logo and Image:fr-fulr1.gif|thumb|200px|right|The flag of the French Fulor anarcho-communist movement within double-brackets. (Please reply on my talk page.) Karmus (talk) 14:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

replied on talk page to refresh cache. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 14:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Can we do this

Whenever an IP has made vandal edits are we allowed to place the info. of where the IP is registered like i did here Or is it only when the IP is blocked that we can place this or the admin that did the block can place this info. Can anyone help me out? Thanks Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 01:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you allowed to? Sure. There's really no point, however, as anyone can click the WHOIS link. The only time it's really worthwhile to place such a template is when the WHOIS information would influence what blocks might be placed on the IP, such as determining it to be shared, a school address, AOL, or a government organization. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

User boxes

How do I create a new user box for my user page? The Bush Bear (talk) 08:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I think if you read Wikipedia:Userboxes it might give you some ideas. If you need more help just ask. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Copy write on image

I sent a picture that I wanted to put along with the edits I made in the Maragogi article. However, I was informed that it needed copy-write information and that it would be removed in seven days. I want it to be free BUT I have no idea WHERE the picture is at this moment. I assume it will be removed, but what do I do to find it? Brazilbum (talk) 08:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The image is at "image:foo.jpg", substitute the name of the file you uploaded for "foo", and change "jpg" to whatever format the image is in. Herostratus (talk) 08:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The image is here: Image:Jangada Sail on Maragogi Lagoon.jpg. I found this the same way you would; I looked at your contribution history. Every user has a contribution history. To access it, click on the link marked "my contributions" at the top of the screen. It shows all all of your edits with the linked names of what you have edited. You can access other users' contributions by going to their user or user talk pages and then clicking on "user contributions" link which on the left hand side of the screen inside the toolbox just below the search field. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Left justify text

In creating a page I have some text that I want left justified as in this example: Name Phone number Address City State Zip How can I achive this? Rbcrump (talk) 16:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

There are several different ways suited to different situations. One way is to write <br> each time you want to start on a new line. If you also want to fill data into another left adjusted column then you can use a table instead. Click "edit" to see how I did it below. But that type of information should rarely be in a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an address book. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Name	XX
Phone number	XX
Address	XX
City	XX
State	XX
Zip	XX

Deleting an accidental page

I accidentally posted an article that was meant to be a practice, it is completely untrue, how do I delete the page? Cats Health Trust (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cats Health Trust (talk • contribs) 16:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You can add {{db-test}} or {{db-self}} to the top of the article. Aecis^Brievenbus 16:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted Cats jumping into fires. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Finding the status of a disagreement about posting

About 1 week ago my student Leoscript posted a page linked to the Clovis disambiguation page that was about a business named 'Clovis'. This was deleted as spam almost immediately by RHaworth. Leoscript then asked a polite question on the discussion page for the Clovis disambiguation page. Now the entire discussion page has disappeared. Please let me know where I can see the (missing) discussion page. I've already looked around for it as well as I am able.

Also, is there a specific statement of Wikipedia policy about articles on businesses? 147.9.124.202 (talk) 21:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)paperswamp

The question [*1*] can be found here; the question was never responded to. You could ask RHaworth (talk · contribs) (the admin who deleted the link) or Gb (talk · contribs) (the admin who deleted the article itself). There was a discussion page for Clovis, but it was deleted two weeks before LeoScript posted his "spam." And yes, you can find it at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Someguy1221 (talk) 21:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The question [*1*] was never seen at the time because for some unaccountable reason it had been put in an archive page. I have restored talk:Clovis and checked user:LeoScript's deleted contributions. It does not matter how politely you ask, if you don't save it, it will never be seen. I think the matter has been now dealt with - a simple case of {{db-inc}}. In any case, the article was nauseatingly spammy in tone and looked like it had been copy&pasted from the company's website. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 19:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Full protection pages

I would just like to ask on this page here which lists the fully protected articles, it is packed with many articles that can be edited by anyone. Can someone fix this up? for example Novistador is listed as fully protected but anyone can edit it. Something must be wrong with this list, is there another one which lists the fully protected pages on wikipedia? Thanks Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 11:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

In fact, Novistador is protected, though its target isn't. Perhaps you were confused because the list is full of redirects? --Sopoforic (talk) 11:30, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks yes that is the answer. That explains everything. Thanks again. Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 11:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Anastasia Nikolaevna

I have been studing Anastasia Romanov for some years now and i believe that some of the information on the page titled " Anastasia Nikolaevna". I believe and many other scholars i work with believe that the death date is quite incorrect seeings how Anasatsia's body was never found. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.138.187 (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Reports of her survival are mentioned in Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna of Russia#Reports of survival. I see you are in conflict with other editors. Please don't break Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. The place to discuss the article is Talk:Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna of Russia. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

WWE Divas

searching for wwe divas fro a long time but no idea since!! need help!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.34.98 (talk) 23:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

wwe divas redirects to the article WWE Diva. What do you want help with? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Why not use advertisement?

why does not wikimedia use advertisment to monetize the wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.65.101.158 (talk)

See Wikipedia:Advertisements. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Contributors Deletion

Can I delete an edit from an article revision history like I've done nothing? Ahmed Elblasy (talk) 06:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)Ahmed ELblasy

Not unless you're an administrator. Admins can delete selective revisions from an article's history -- this is usually done in case of the revision contained libel or private information. The deleted revisions can still be viewed by admins. In extreme cases, the revisions can also be deleted permanently. See Wikipedia:Revision hiding for details. utcursch | talk 06:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Up-loaded Images = (PD-Self)

Greetings from Kuwait. Please help me insert the required (PD-Self) for each image I have up-loaded. I apologise for being blinded by science, so to speak, as not yet comprehended instructions of how to do stuff, very sorry! There is no copyright on any of the images I up-load and such are for the Public Domain. Moira English Editor 217.69.188.26 (talk) 06:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

User pages

Hi,

I'm a relatively new Wikipedia editor, and would like to inquire about the rules (if any exist) concerning the content of a person's userpage. I have come across a userpage that I feel contains inappropriate and offensive content, and I wondered whether I should report it. I realize that userpages are not part of the encyclopedia, but I suspect that there is some standard of maturity regarding who is allowed to make edits...

Thank you in advance, --MonicaMaio (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

The relevant policy is Wikipedia:User page. Cheers.--chaser - t 20:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

USS Trego (AKA78)

I have two photos one of the USS Trego (AKA 78) and the other of the ship with the signal division in front of it. I served on the ship from the day it was commissioned until after it made its final docking in San Francisco after the war ended. How do I upload those photos and have them inserted on the Trego page? Clif2rock (talk) 00:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Try reading WP:IMAGE and browsing WP:UPIMAGE. The links will surely be of value. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 01:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

where did my article go?

One more time:

51 hours after creation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_DiMuro

it is not in the deletion log. It is not visible. I know somebody's checking on it, I don't mean to be a pest. Of course if I just re-submit it over and over again, I overwrite what's sitting in the 30 hour backlog?

thanks! Hunchentoot (talk) 23:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Looking at your contributions you never created Dino DiMuro. Instead, you wrote an article about Dino in Wikipedia:Tutorial (Editing)/sandbox‎. The article you wrote is visible here in the sandbox. You can edit that old page and copy it.

(I don't need to do that. I have all the text here. It does not help) Hunchentoot (talk) 02:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

If you click the red Dino DiMuro link above, you can paste your old edit into the real article.

There is no "backlog" of new articles. They are visible immediately after you click Save page. Sbowers3 (talk) 23:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Hunchentoot shows no edit by your account to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_DiMuro or any other article page. I'm an administrator and can see no deleted edits by your account. I see no sign that a page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_DiMuro has existed. Saved edits at Wikipedia become visible immediately. Where did you see a claim of a 30 hour delay? Maybe an attempted save at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_DiMuro didn't work for some reason. After saving you should see the page you just saved. Did that happen? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

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I was at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_DiMuro

ten minutes ago, doing the same thing I describe having done 51 hours ago.

No matter how many people tell me I was in the sandbox, I WAS AT:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_DiMuro

Is that the sand box? And if so: WHY?

editing that page took me to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dino_DiMuro&action=submit

(I got the idea that it could take thirty hours, by going to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AFAQ#An_article_doesn.27t_show_up_in_the_search

where it says:

"The search index is maintained on a dedicated server, and is updated completely approximately every thirty hours. Recent changes are not reflected until the next time the search index is updated." )

(but I was wrong, it's talking about the search index? versus the new submissions)

for starters, understand: I am so frustrated by this that I tend to clear my browser cache every two minutes, so don't even suggest that!!!

I don't see the sense in using a different browser to submit the article, as "sandbox" submissions have worked. but I think I'm about to go try the other three browser applications, though they work less well!

I appreciate your response!

I find it difficult to get to the deletion log at the moment, so bear with me, I will check it again! I'm sorry I got nasty, above.

You asked: "After saving you should see the page you just saved." Answer: that has never happened, not even in the sandbox. To see the page in the sandbox, I must preview it. But when I do, I see the most recent edits always take effect. After which, saving does store the page.

When I submit the page thru http://en.wikipedia.org/Dino_DiMuro

(which goes to: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dino_DiMuro&action=submit

something new is happening. I get the message: "This article or section is in the middle of an expansion or major revamping.

However, you are welcome to assist in its construction by editing it as well. Please view the edit history should you wish to contact the person who placed this template. If this article has not been edited in several days please remove this template. Consider not tagging with a deletion tag unless the page hasn't been edited in several days. While actively editing, consider adding {{inuse}} to reduce edit conflicts."

whoa! wasn't expecting that!

the page suggests I preview before saving. So I do. (Saving in the sandbox without previewing causes browser crashes here!)

Then saving at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dino_DiMuro&action=submit

results in this: (same as thing as in sandbox) "Your edit includes new external links. These may be much welcomed links to references. Please note that the nofollow HTML attribute is applied to external links in Wikipedia, instructing search engines to ignore these links when computing page ranks. For information on our standards for adding links, please see our External links Guideline."

thanks again! Hunchentoot (talk) 02:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the waiting period is only for Wikipedia's search function to find the page in searches for words it contains. There is still no sign that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_DiMuro (written Dino DiMuro in Wikipedia's wikilinking syntax) has ever been created. I don't see the message you quote but it sounds like you are viewing or previewing a page with {{Underconstruction}} on it. Maybe the article doesn't save when you first click "Save page" because you are a newly registered user adding external links. When you click save, is there a message about a CAPTCHA (weird looking graphic letters) you have to type? Your account will be "autoconfirmed" (four days old) in 2 hours.[1] When that happens it may be easier to save certain edits. I have an old account and cannot see what new accounts see. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_DiMuro is not a sandbox. You have registered edits in a sandbox (there is more than one) at Wikipedia:Tutorial (Editing)/sandbox. You can create your own sandbox at User:Hunchentoot/Sandbox. Then others will (probably) not edit it so your edits are kept. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I see you have now created the page, right before I saved the above edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Dino DiMuro has been created and is developing. I have gently drawn the editor's attention to our notability criteria. Bovlb (talk) 03:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

there it is!

So I see, PrimeHunter

well ... I guess persistance helps! I re-submitted for about the fifth time. Then I saved it FIVE TIMES! Then I went there by some circuitous route... and now it shows up!!

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I am thankful to Consumed_Crustacean and Prime Hunter for wrapping your minds around this conundrum! Alchemy is not supposed to apply to computers, but sometimes it does! And the basic rule of Macintosh is if it doesn't work, try it again! So perhaps Macintosh (plus wikipedia) equals: try it five times!

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perhaps in a day or two I should delete all this blather. thanks people! Hunchentoot (talk) 02:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

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statement appended at (?) 07:23 15 April 2008 rather than be presumptious, I'll leave it to PrimeHunter or any administrator to delete any or all of the where did my article go sturm undt drang. (I'm still trynta figure out if wikipedia is based out of the Isle of Man timezone, so I better not delete this nonsense myself!) peace, Hunchentoot (talk) 07:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

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Glad to see you finally succeeded. The external links message you quoted is the first paragraph of MediaWiki:Fancycaptcha-addurl, but there was supposed to be a second paragraph and some letters in a CAPTCHA you may have to type in order to save external links as a new user. Did you see the full message and type the letters each time, or the last time, or never? I'm wondering why it was so hard for you to save the page and whether others have the same problem and could get more precise help from us next time. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

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There was generally not a CAPTCHA. There may have been on one occasion. I have sometimes complied with that in the Sandbox, and sometimes ignored it. However, in submission mode, I would tend to take it seriously. Hunchentoot (talk) 03:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

How should WP:CONSENSUS be interpreted? (specific question)

I am relatively new to wikipedia. What got me interested was an article on Fox News that I saw as presenting only one side of opinions about the popular and divisive channel. My question deals with how to go about changing consensus and adding NPOV to the article. One or two experienced editors immediately revert any edits I incorporate, even though I have done a request for comments and the majority of responses expressed support for adding POV-balancing to the lead. The reason given for their immediate edits is "consensus must be reached to edit this article." Is that true? These editors are much more experienced then I am, since I am very new. However, reading the flow chart at WP:CONSENSUS, I see it shows that editing is the beginning of going from "previous consensus" to "new consensus". It also says, "Consensus is typically reached as a natural product of the editing process; generally someone makes a change or addition to a page, and then everyone who reads the page has an opportunity to either leave the page as it is or change it." The flow chart says, "previous consensus--> make an edit--> was the edit reverted?--> (if so) Do you accept the result?--> (if no) discuss ideas --> make an edit." The flow chart they seem to be suggesting would read, "previous consensus--> talk about an edit--> was the edit agreed upon by everyone?--> (if no) leave article alone --> talk about an edit." So it seems I am stuck between having to believe the policy statements of experienced editors, or the one on wikipedia's policy guideline. I have been discussing every edit I make, and even began an Request for Comments. I just edited in versions supported by a great many editors in the RfC a few minutes ago, and, if today is like every other day, my edit will be reverted by lunch with nothing said more then "revert to consensus." Plus I will be scolded in the talk page for violating consensus, and perhaps an admin will even protect the page because I made two edits yesterday that were immediately reverted by one of the minority editors. Am I just totally in the dark on this? Please give me any advice you think is appropriate. Thank you. Jsn9333 (talk) 12:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Please fill in the subject box above, then replace this text with your question, and don't forget to sign by leaving the following four tildes (~'s) in place which automatically formats to your signature once you click "save page" below. Freyachiang (talk) 16:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Can I edit an article about organization with Chicago Manual of style?Freyachiang (talk) 16:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

How Can Consensus Occur In This Situation?

I am relatively new here. My question deals with how to go about changing consensus and adding NPOV to an article. At Fox News, one or two experienced editors immediately revert any edits I incorporate, even though I have done a request for comments and the majority of responses expressed support for adding POV-balancing to the lead. The reason given for their immediate edits is "consensus must be reached to edit this article." Is that true? These editors are much more experienced then I am, since I am very new. However, reading the flow chart at WP:CONSENSUS, I see it shows that editing is the beginning of going from "previous consensus" to "new consensus". It also says, "Consensus is typically reached as a natural product of the editing process; generally someone makes a change or addition to a page, and then everyone who reads the page has an opportunity to either leave the page as it is or change it." The flow chart says, "previous consensus--> make an edit--> was the edit reverted?--> (if so) Do you accept the result?--> (if no) discuss ideas --> make an edit." The flow chart they seem to be suggesting would read, "previous consensus--> talk about an edit--> was the edit agreed upon by everyone?--> (if no) leave article alone --> talk about an edit." So it seems I am stuck between having to believe the policy statements of experienced editors, or the one on wikipedia's policy guideline.

I have been discussing every edit I make, and even began an Request for Comments. This morning I edited in versions supported by a great many editors in the RfC and, today, like every other day, my edit was reverted with nothing said more then "revert to consensus." Plus I was be scolded in the talk page for violating consensus, and an admin even protected the page saying it will only be unprotected after consensus is reached. Am I just totally in the dark on this?

I may be mistaken, but the highest form of dispute resolution I see for content disputes is mediation. I have asked the warring parties to mediate with me, and they have refused. Those parties, one or two editors whom are in the minority of the RfC, continually revert the edits the majority in the RfC have approved. The discussion has hit a standstill as they have made it clear they do not respect the reliable sources the majority approves.

The two editors in question has refused to mediate with me, and as it stands a minority of editors has ensured that the version the majority of editors has agreed needs to be changed will not be changed... "indefinitely". How is this possible? Any suggestions? Jsn9333 (talk) 17:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

educational video postings?

new contributer here. i am a producer of an internet TV show that discusses different medical issues with specialists on live tv. we have done shows on subjects like diabetes, hpv, weight loss, pain management etc etc. i thought it would be a great idea to post these videos in the corresponding sections of wikipedia. what i have been doing is adding a new section to these pages called "educational video" and adding an external link to a page on my site where you can watch the entire episode for free in a flash player.

is this appropriate? we do not sell anything, these videos are being made for educational purposes only and to spread the word on interesting treatments, doctors and products. i just wanted to make sure i am doing this right. here is an example of an edit i made to the "pediatrics" page on wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pediatrics#Educational_video

please let me know what you think. NPTV (talk) 18:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• I don't know if the videos are important enough, but please don't post your e-mail address on Wikipedia. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 18:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• oh sorry, was just puting it for people to contact me with response. /bonk of course they can just post here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.229.180 (talk) 20:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Where I can edit an article about organization?

Where I can edit an article about organization? Should I write it in my user page or there is other place for me to edit it? I actually post an article before but got deletion, can I still write the same organization but make adjustment?216.70.138.56 (talk) 22:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

It depends why it was deleted. What was the page name, what is your username, and are you associated with the organization? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

where does licensing tag go in upload description?

hey there!

I uploaded a new image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3ADino_on_left_Keiths_Moog.jpg the licensing pull down menu had "Your own work: allow non-commercial use" greyed out. I think that's why the image lacks a PD-self tag. (licensing tag. My work, that I am releasing into the public domain.) I did go thru FAQs, links on the html page that resulted from that upload. I got as far as figuring out the image needs that license tag. After that I can't find an example. I did search this newbies help desk, to make sure the answer wasn't here, already. I could use intuition and put that tag in, right after the "Author" tag. But the next part of the overall script/set of tags says: other_versions=none. I shouldn't be so wary, but do you think that's were the PD-self tag goes?

I can re-upload it (and delete duplicates) if that simplifies matters.

I'm much obliged! (my idiot dial-up ISP disconnecting me every 7 minutes has not exactly helped)

Hunchentoot (talk) 01:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

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Oh foof! I just found it! Edit the page, there it is at the top. Well, now I'll run around and figure out how to delete or rename it, because DINO is on the RIGHT, not the left! sorry .... DOH! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hunchentoot (talk • contribs) 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The reason that option is greyed out is because allowing non-commercial use only is not a valid condition for free content on Wikipedia, as the GFDL allows commercial use of its content. In general, things that are freely licensed (PD, GFDL, CC etc.) are recommended to be placed on Wikimedia Commons, so that they can be used on all Wikimedia projects. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 04:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Creating a new article with same name of another topic

I just created a page Simple Gifts (trio), although I would like to just use Simple Gifts. That name is used for another topic. How can I ensure that people will get to this article without having to search for Simple Gifts (trio)? Tusseysky (talk) 14:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

You can place one of the otheruses templates on the top of Simple Gifts. Someguy1221 (talk) 15:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

As there was also a film with the name, I created a disambiguation page at Simple Gifts (disambiguation) for the term and added hat notes. You can use these as examples for when you encounter similar situations, Tusseysky. --Gwguffey (talk) 18:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Provinces of Tajikistan: note [1] does not appear in list of references/notes

I have updated some numbers in the main table in the article "Provinces of Tajikistan" and added a note with a reference. For some reason this note [1] does not appear in the list of references/notes at the end. (a) Please make it appear (b) Please tell me what to do in such cases in the future. Thank you. Zlerman (talk) 15:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

There was no {{Reflist}}. Someguy1221 (talk) 15:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Sachidananda bharathi page tag removal

Another person has put tags on my page. What is the process for removing these tags? Kbala1055 (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

They can be removed after the problem pointed out by each one has been addressed and corrected. The tags are currently spot on as to what's imperfect about that page. Someguy1221 (talk) 15:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually can I add the source as a book or biography of the person using the title? after this can I remove the tag Kbala1055 (talk) 16:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a number of acceptable formats in which you can cite your sources of information. Sources include printed and online books, articles and so on, and they should be reliable and credible. Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources for a full description of the topic. It's also a good idea to find an article which uses citations in the way you would like to, and take a look at the page's Wikicode by clicking on "edit this page". This will help you understand how the citation has been created, and how it looks on the finished page.

One small point to note - you mentioned "my page" on your original question, but of course none of us owns any page we create here on Wikipedia, and everybody is free to make edits to any article, unless it has been specially protected because of vandalism or controversy. Take a look here for more information. Good luck with the citations. -- Karenjc 18:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Lee Espinoza

The Coachella Valley Boxing Club was founded by Lee Espinoza at the Boys & Girls Club in order for his son to pursue the sport of boxing. At that time, Lalo Gutierrez owned the Boxing Club name but he retired soon after, and Lee became the owner of the original club for the next five years.

Then, due to lack of available space at the Boys & Girls Club, Lee relocated the club next to Coachella City Hall in the old fire station. Despite confined quarters and little financial support, the program flourished. Lee's guidance and overall commitment to community is demonstrated by these youth who continue to succeed in business, in the neighborhood, and in the boxing ring.

The Coachella Valley Boxing Club and Fitness center is now a 9,000 square foot, state of the art training facility. [2]

Lee Espinoza has trained and managed hundreds of amatuer champions and 6 world champions. His professional world champions are:

Julio Diaz [3] Antonio Diaz [4] Pancho Segura [5] Joel Diaz [6] Rudy Dominguez [7] Sandy Yard [8]

Hello Coachella. I suspect you are trying to create an article, but this is not the place to do it. Here are a few guidelines to get you started:

Firstly, as a new member you won't be eligible to create a new article for four days. You could use the time to read up on Wikipedia's guidelines for creating new articles, to format your article to post when the time comes, and to search Wikipedia to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. And please remember to sign your talk page comments with four tildes, like this ~~~~. Good luck and happy editing. -- Karenjc 18:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure article creation is restricted only to registered users, not autoconfirmed (older than 4 days) ones. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you're right. This user does appear to be registered (as User:Coachella) but, if so, won't be able to create new articles until the 20th. -- Karenjc 15:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Camp Fannin

I am curator of Camp Fannin (Texas)(World War II) Roll of Honor of men and women who served at Camp Fannin and died in uniform in World War II. I maintain a website -- <campfanninrollofhonor.com> -- and would very much like to have it listed as an external link in your entry for Camp Fannin. I have reviewed your procedures for accomplishing this task, and judge that I would likely fumble the procedure. Thus I would very much appreciate it if you would do the job for me. Take a look at the site and let me know if you can provide a link to it in your Camp Fannin article.Ethorne003 (talk) 22:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Address and e-mail removed. Please don't post your snail mail or e-mail address on Wikkipedia. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 22:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I have added the external link as requested. -- Karenjc 08:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

adding a Festival to your list

I would like to add our festival to your list..please advise how i do this.

Laurie Taylor Fontwell Park festival —Preceding unsigned comment added by Entertainers (talk • contribs) 08:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Since no article appears to exist on that subject, assuming you mean a festival that takes place at Fontwell Park Racecourse in the UK, and assuming you mean adding the festival to a page like Festivals in the United Kingdom or a category such as Category:Festivals in the United Kingdom, for the former it can be added as a link to the page by clicking "edit this page" at the top of the page, but links to nonexistent articles should only be added if the subject is both notable and verifiable; if there aren't multiple, already published, reliable sources discussing the festival in some depth, no link should be made. For the latter, a topic cannot be placed into a category until a page on the subject is written. For information on writing an article, please see Wikipedia:Your first article. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleteting an edit added to account

Hi just added by mistake to the wrong site pls can you remove my entry

Sam Hutchinson Wikepedia Entry: Injured Oct 2007, re-occurence of injury back Jan 2009

This is not the correct person I thought it was how can I remove my edited piece?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.103.63 (talk) 13:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I see you have now reverted your edit to Sam Hutchinson. Thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Saving/Other Editors

How can I save my page with editing changes, without publishing it to Wikipedia. Can my other editors see it before it is published? Carrol Grady (talk) 19:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You can use your user page as a temporary host for an article that you are working on before making it go live. Also, you may want to create a sub-page as a WP:SANDBOX to for the same purpose. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 19:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

This link can help you create a sandbox - [9]. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 19:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Category linking

I added a category (Evangelical Anglicans) to an article (Thomas Scott (Commentator)). I can go to the category from the article, but the article isn't listed on the category page. What do I do to get it listed? Fergus Pearson (talk) 02:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

He is listed on the category page under "S". If you continue to not see him on the category page, try clearing your computer's cache memory.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Editors

Its not really directly about editing as I have the language down. I am trying to find out what programs people use to create articles. I have a hard time mapping out my sources and keeping track of each one and what information I am getting from it. Perhaps its a layout issue for me, but is there any professional software that may assist in a greater capacity?

I am also trying to create an article on a group that has a lot of relations to other groups, I am trying to keep track of how everyone is related, there position etc, and am having trouble managing this in a notepad document. I have tried MindManger, anything better available? Is there any onwiki software available possibly that I have missed? --I Write Stuff (talk) 19:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

When I'm creating a new article, or making a big change, I create my own user page, i.e. I Write Stuff/Sandbox. As I edit the page, I can see what it will look like, all properly formatted. When the article is complete, I just copy the whole edit window from my sandbox to the article. To create your sandbox page, use the link in this page: WP:Sandbox

--A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 22:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

where did my article go?

hello!

after three days in the sandbox, I submitted an article at 01:00 Sunday, which seems to be 4 AM Sunday, wikipedia time.

I did remove the {{please do not edit this line sandbox tutorial}}

at the top of the submission. The help system did not say to do this, but this was not a sandbox experiment. The help system says simply create the article. This I did by "going to" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_DiMuro

and then created that page, previewed it, and saved it.

I went thru the help system and found that it can take thirty hours for a submission to be visible, or rejected.

It is now forty hours since the submission, and I have submitted the thing again.

Can you advise me as to what I am doing wrong?

I have bookmarked this page per its instructions, and will check back.

Thank you very much!!!

Hunchentoot (talk) 21:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

It looks like you just put it on Wikipedia:Tutorial (Editing)/sandbox, instead of actually creating a new article. This page might help. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

This I did by "going to" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_DiMuro

and then created that page, previewed it, and saved it. I did not go to the sandbox. If wikipedia put it in the sandbox, something is wrong at that end. I will go look at consumed crustacean some more... thanks! Hunchentoot (talk) 21:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

"Consumed Crustacean" is the name of the user who answered your question. He was asking you to look at the page in the link attachted to the words, "This page"! Anyway... I see you have made some edits to the article you asked about, so I presume your question has been resolved. Happy editing! --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 22:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Can this photo be uploaded?

Is it possible to upload a photo of Mark Knopfler from the center photo here in this collection? [10] We've noticed some of the few photos deemed acceptable here are from Flickr, so, what's the verdict? --leahtwosaints (talk) 11:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I think you're looking at this one? If so, that appears to be licensed under {{cc-by-2.0}}, which is a Wikipedia-compatible image license. – Luna Santin (talk) 02:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

YES! My question is having to do with the little green light saying it's public, and the other disk saying "Some rights reserved". Are we allowed to contact the people displaying the picture to ask permission to place it on wikipedia? --leahtwosaints (talk) 00:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Contents Box

How do I put the Contents in a box, as it is in other articles? Is this a table? Carrol Grady (talk) 04:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

See Help:Section. If you still miss a table of contents then give the page name so we can see what's wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Responding on user's talk page. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 04:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your help to someone who is not very computer-savvy! I tried to follow the directions for the different-size headlines which will result in a Table of Contents and that worked. But on my user page, where I am now working, the table of contents just shows "1 Headline text" "1.1 headline text," etc. instead of the actual words in my headlines. Will that be changed when I publish it, or did I do something wrong in the way I inserted it? Thanks! Carrol Grady (talk) 18:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

All the headlines in your source say "=== Headline text ===". You must replace the text inside "=== ... ===" with the actual headline, for example "=== History and Organization ===". PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

And Wikipedia only capitalizes the first word in article names and headlines, so it should really be "=== History and organization ===". PrimeHunter (talk) 22:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Carrol Grady (talk) 23:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding an article about a company

I used to work for a UK magazine publishing company that I think is worth a Wikipedia article. Its magazines go out to 65 countries every fortnight and are well known and respected in their own niche market (music). I wouldn't write anything that looks like advertising. But how do I know they won't be deleted immediately as 'non-encyclopedic'? Thanks 217.41.2.230 (talk) 09:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The honest answer is that you don't. Articles about companies are notoriously prone to deletion on the grounds of non-notability or promotion. But you can make it less likely if you prepare the article carefully, using the guidance at Help:Starting a new page, Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. You can use your userpage to work on the article in draft, or create a subpage, before you publish it in mainspace, adding a header to explain to visitors what you are doing and ensuring the draft doesn't look like advertising. The article won't be deleted as unencyclopaedic if you make it encyclopaedic, so follow the formatting guidelines carefully, assert notability and include citations and references from reliable sources. It's a good idea to find a similar article on a similar subject that already exists on Wikipedia and follow the format - if that one has succeeded here, then yours is more likely to pass muster. And if you do create the article, ensure that you cut and paste the Wikicode from the completed work into a text file and save it. That way, if it is deleted, you will have a copy to work on if you want to address the issues that attracted criticism and try to recreate it. Good luck. -- Karenjc 15:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

NPOV

As a straight person who is supposedly more neutral, I have been asked to write the original copy for a page about a non-church-recognized GLBTI support group, which is, of course, a controversial subject. I do have my own personal bias, but have tried to stay factual and use reliable sources. Just how much of the denomination's negative view on this subject must be represented? Is there anyone who would be willing to actually scrutinize our page and give some pointers on where and whether we are showing bias or need to include another point of view. We don't want to put this page up until it is going to withstand criticism. Thanks for any help! Carrol Grady (talk) 18:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I see I forgot to give our article title: It is Seventh-day Adventist Kinship International and you can answer on our talk page.

Mmm, I've had a look at your website, and in my opinion the group seems likely to satisfyWP:Notability so your article, properly sourced and referenced, will probably avoid nomination for deletion (though that is only my view!) However, do bear in mind that whatever you write can and will be edited by any other Wikipedia user who feels like it, from the minute it appears. It would be honest to mention the denomination's negative view in your original draft if this is a fact, but if you don't, doubtless someone else will! Just ensure that your statements are verifiable and correctly cited from reliable sources. I'm afraid no article on Wikipedia withstands criticism, and none keeps its original form.

You may want to look hard at WP:COI - there are good reasons why people who are close to a particular subject may not be the best ones to create an article about it. In particular, please do read this carefully. When you create an article about something and post it in mainspace here, especially if it is controversial, you may find that it has unintended consequences for its subject. Good luck with it. Karenjc 19:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC) (Answer copied to the user's talk page)

what is syntax of non-free fair use tag

hello! I've been going around in circles with the help system, trying to find the actual syntax for a non-free fair use tag. This question relates to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3ADino_in_%22Keyboard%22_magazine.jpg

I've gone thru: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags can't find actual syntax {within brackets}

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/Non-free eventually get to a template. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template%3ANon-free_fair_use_in

which displays the result of the tag, but not the tag. I am allowed to view the source, as the page is locked (to prevent editing). Supposedly I can copy the source, to look for { brackets } that would help me find the tag. Somehow my Mac won't copy the source. I can't find anything that looks like a tag within the wiki script / page source. Let me simplify: can someone tell me what is the syntax {in brackets} for a non-free/fair use tag. Is it the entire (?) 300 word script that results from "viewing the source"?

thank you very much! Hunchentoot (talk) 03:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Food Ingredients....Clean versus Not Clean

What is the definiton of the term "Clean" regarding food ingredients in the bakery industry, i.e. This line of cake and bakery products is clean.

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Soxred93 | talk bot 19:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Environmental Skepticism

I recently tried to post an article "The CO2 Emissions Fable" on the environmental skepticism page. I don't know what happened but I don't think it made it. Would you please assist. Thank you! CO2 Doubter CO2 doubter (talk) 19:58, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The article The CO2 Emissions Fable has been proposed for deletion, because an editor thought that it contained original research, and didn't comply with the neutral point of view we strive for. Aecis^Brievenbus 20:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

PT community new feature

Hi. Can you help me, please? The wikipedia pt's community is debating if we should implement a wizard similar to Wizard introduction. The only difference would be that, after the unresgistered user completes the wizard, the new article would be immediately created rather than being sent to revision. Could you please let me know if this new feature can be implemented in wiki pt? Thanks and regards, --Rodrigofera (talk) 14:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't have an answer for you because I'm finding your question confusing. I thought it might be helpful to suggest things you should clarify if you still seek information here or plan to ask others this question in the future. What is the "pt community" (Portuguese community?; Portuguese Wikipedia community?). After research, I guess you mean by "Wizard introduction", Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Wizard-Introduction? If so future posts should contain the link. What is "Wiki pt"? If you mean the Portuegese Wikipedia, note that wiki is a type of software and sites which use it may be called wikis—there are thousands of them. This place is the English Wikipedia, while the Portuegese Wikipedia is just that; referring to either as just "wiki" leads to confusion. If it is some unrelated wiki, a link would help greatly.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

how do i add a person to Wikipedia and what are the criterias if any

Hi, Could you please tell me what I need to do to add a person to Wikipedia? Is there a special criteria as to who can be published here? There may be some directions on this but the limited time i had to study the site is up and there is not a clear explanation to this. Thank you for your earliest attention. My very best, Adrienne Dalma11221122 (talk) 07:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Notability (people). And if you are closely connected to the person then see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Note that many articles by new users are deleted for not satisfying our policies. Here is our general advice about creating new articles:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

account

how do you create anaccount? 74.129.142.227 (talk) 21:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Click on 'Log in / Create account' at the top right of this page. Algebraist 22:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale

I have recently added a picture to the "Great Lakes setting" section of the article "Limited geography setting (Book of Mormon)". I need to know if my addition (fair use rationale) is adequate or if I need to add something more. Polly (Parrot) contacted me and let me know that I needed to add the rationale

Regards, Kovesh (talk) 02:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The image requires an appropriate WP:LICENSE or copyright tag. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 02:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding hyperlink to Daughters of the Cross page

Hi I am a Daughter of the cross We have recently created a web site. I would like to add this as a hyperlink to the Daughters of the Cross wiki entry. How can I do this so that when folks click on daughters of the cross they are directed to the web site? I have tried to do this, but am told this is illegal.

How can I edit St Elizabeth's School and Home which has now changed its name to St Elizabeth's Centre since the opening of St Elizabeth's College on site. I would also like to add hyperlinks to St Elizabeth's Centre St Elizabeth's School website (and its ofsted reports) St Elizabeth's College St Elizabeth's Home

Thank you--Gillianfc (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Gillianfc, I think the problem is you put a link to the website in a random place in the article. The body of an article should contains links to other Wikipedia pages, not to external websites. Your link belongs in a special "External links" section near the bottom of the article. See for example this page which was linked from the page you were trying to edit.

I also see you got a warning when you tried to add a postal code to the name of an institution. I'm guessing the person who called it "vandalism" doesn't understand UK postal codes, and thought someone was entering some random letters and numbers! Anyway, I don't recommend putting an address in the article; that is closer to an advertisement than an encyclopedia entry. Also, you said you wanted to put a link to your website on several pages. I advise against this; just pick the page that is most relevant. If your future changes get reverted again, I suggest following the instructions in the warnings you got, and ask for advice on the article's discussion page. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 13:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Gillianfc. I have had a look at what you were doing, and I can't see that it seriously violated Wikipedia guidelines in content, just in layout. Knight's right - we don't usually put addresses in here, and the extra links you were proposing would indeed have been too much like advertising, but a single link to the St Elizabeth's website should be fine and so should one to the main Daughters of the Cross site. We have a policy here about "biting" newcomers WP:BITE and I think you just unfortunately - and without any malice - got a little nipped by mistake!

I have been in and made some changes to the article, adding the external links section and formatting the links correctly, and rewording the description of St Elizabeth's in a way that I hope will pass muster with the bots and other editors. I hope this helps, but please feel free to remove or alter my changes if I have been inaccurate. Karenjc 14:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedians who have made an edit recently

Just want to ask how many users does Wikipedia have that have made an edit say in the last 3 months. I know there are 6.9mn registered users but about 50% maybe more dont exist anymore, all the red links on the list of users here. How many do you think have made an edit recently, i cant seem to find a page that shows me this. Thanks Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 06:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Red links don't mean the users are gone, it just means they don't have a user page. I see many users making edits without having a main user page. Some don't have a talk page, either! Sorry, I don't know of any place to find the answer to your question. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Creating a wiki user account despite the fact that a new editor uses a public city wireless lan (wlan) hotspot ?

Is it possible or allowed to create a User account despite the fact that the new editor uses a public city wireless lan (wlan) hotspot? I ask this question because there might be other users who have the same ip but only because they all might share a public city wireless lan (wlan) hotspot connection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.233.80.60 (talk) 17:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

From what I understand anyone can create an account. Using a wireless public hotspot is very similar to other forms of internet access, so I wouldn't foresee a problem with it. Gazimoff ^Write_Read 17:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

i just don't wanna be accused of being a "sockpuppet" or being this or that user ^^ . so, from what i understand now it's ok to create and use a account despite the fact that some users might have the same ip (because using a public city wlan hotspot)...right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.233.80.60 (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

That's right. Even though other users might use the same IP address as you, either at different times because of DHCP or at the same time because of proxy servers, it takes a lot more to even suggest sockpuppetry. It's also common for schools, companies and other organisations to share a single IP address between many users. You should be fine.

As another note, when you make a post on a talkpage, you should always end it with four tildes (~~~~) - this signs your posts with either your username when you register or your IP if you're not logged in. It allows other editors to follow the conversation more easily. Hope this helps and best of luck! Gazimoff ^Write_Read 18:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright question on articles

Can users put "Copyright 2008 myname" on their articles ? Doesn't fit GFDL, but I don't see anything in the policies (specifically CSD G12) that addresses this. It seems to me that should be speedied, but I can't find a policy to fit. Plvekamp (talk) 23:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

They can't, but it also doesn't have to be speedied. Once a user makes an edit to Wikipedia, the content of that edit is published under the GFDL even if he still claims copyright over it. Someguy1221 (talk) 23:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

As noted above, see also Wikipedia:Copyrights#Contributors' rights and obligations for a full explanation. -Optigan13 (talk) 23:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, that kind of makes sense. Can other users then remove the copyright notice, or are we stuck with it ? Sorry for the stupid questions; I'm new at editing and trying to learn. Thanks for the answers. Plvekamp (talk) 00:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and it actually should be removed. The only time the author/publisher of content should be specified in an article is when that content was actually copied from a GFDL compatible source, such as a certain public domain encyclopedia. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Southbank International School

I tried to improve the article titled Southbank International School, but I Do not know whether I did well and enough. May someone check? Many thanks forward. Furthermore, I could not retrieve a reference for the following assertion (in the History section), though I assume good faith from the school: «According to The Times, the Southbank International School is currently in the top 5% of international schools in the UK (§3 point 4).». ✓ Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 11:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Divertion of FLIGHT INSPECTION to FLIGHT TEST

Gentlemen,

I found no way to tell anybody about this little thing, so I apologize, but every time I tried to solve it, I could not find any "text-prompt area" (like this one) to write on.

I suppose there must be a more proper way to contact WP Administrators, but I have been unable to get it. So please forgive my shameless comments and try to understand, just my first contribution to WP was re-directed, and practically deleted...

The fact is:

In my understanding, the divertion of FLIGHT INSPECTION to FLIGHT TEST is a mistake.

If you read carefully, all FLIGHT TEST explanations are talking about special flights where aircratf parameters or design are tested, so plains are the objects under test, whereas FLIGHT INSPECTION is a different world (believe me), and part of it are flights where the object under test are the radio navigation aids.

This is the reason why I respectfully ask you for reconsidering this change, leaving FLIGHT INSPECTION page in a separate and independent entry, the way it was designed.

Again, I apologize. Again, thank you for your patience and understanding.

Best regards,

Artcort.fis 193.33.2.101 (talk) 11:56, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Flight inspection is a redirect page pointing to Flight test. You are saying they should be two separate articles. I recommend you sign up an account, because then you can create new pages, or in this case split an article. I did that myself with an article soon after I signed up (that was just this month), and it worked out fine. I'm not sure of the value of having someone else do it for you, because you seem to have a good idea of what's required. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 15:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the poster must be User:Artcort.fis who didn't log in for this post. Artcort.fis created a small article "Flight inspection" [11] which was then redirected by JuJube. Artcort.fis contacted JuJube but got no reply. The article looked a little like a dictionary entry but Wikipedia is not a dictionary and does not aim to make an article about every term. It was also unsourced and did not show notability. Can you write a larger sourced article demonstrating notability of flight inspection independent from the concept of flight test? Here is our general advice about creating articles:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I removed the redirect for the reasons you stated. Having said that, this article needs to have 3rd party references which demonstrate notability and verifiability, or it will probably be deleted speedily. I've left a welcome notice on your talk page with some links to help you. Welcome to Wikipedia ! (As a side note, when you leave a comment you should append 4 tilde marks to make the discussion easier to follow. When you save the page, the system will replace them with your username and timestamp.) Plvekamp (talk) 03:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The School of Chinese Language

Hi, I added the above to the list of schools in kolkata, india. thereafter i wrote a description and added it, twice. i must have made some mistake coz i cant find it each time i log in. please, will you help me? i need your guidance to handle it correctly. thanks 59.93.212.247 (talk) 12:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello, the article for The School of Chinese Language was last deleted for blatant advertising. I undid your edits on the Education in Kolkata page, because it seems you deleted all of the medical schools. I would have put the language school back, but I think the list should be ordered first. Louis Waweru  Talk  15:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Ideas for new editors?

I've got a whole day off (It's a teacher strike here) anyone know how I can help in simple ways. I've looked at all the red link pages and clean up things but it it very difficult. Any simple ways to help while I have a few hours spare? - - ōsK8r4EvAō--tAlk- 12:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

It depends on what you like to do! You could take a look at Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit, which might be a little more straightforward than the red-linked pages. Improving articles in Category:Stubs requires more knowledge of the specific articles, but you might run across things that you're familiar with. Category:All pages needing to be wikified has lists of articles that could use more wikilinks. So, in short there are lots of things to do! Hopefully those options were some of the more straightforward ones, but for a more broad perspective of all the cleanup things on Wikipedia, take a look at Wikipedia:Cleanup. Happy editing! -- Natalya 12:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

change the IP

Please how can I change my IP to usernamePolystudent (talk) 16:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean here, but edits made while logged in are automatically linked to your username. When you sign comments while logged in, your username is displayed instead of your IP. If you've made comments on talkpages that show your IP, you can always comment later that the comment was made by you while logged in.

All that said, welcome to Wikipedia and happy editing! Gazimoff ^Write_Read 17:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Ebase

Hi - can someone advise me. I just created a page about the Ebase Platform, which is a software development platform...and it was immediately deleted. I find this confusing because there seems to plenty of other articles about software products. The content of the article, by the way, was very factual i.e. no advertising or anything. Many thanks for any help.

Dbrawlins (talk) 19:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I see from your talk page that the article was titled Ebase Technology Ltd. (the company), not their product. Perhaps you also created an article for the product, maybe under another ID. I suggest reading the help pages mentioned in the notice you received, and if you feel an article on the platform base meets the criteria, try posting a rewritten version and follow the notice's advice on how to assert its notability. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 21:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Dbrawlins also created Ebase Platform. See Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? The deleting administrator can be contacted at User talk:Cobaltbluetony. "WP:SNOW" refers to WP:SNOW so it sounds like Cobaltbluetony didn't think it would have a chance of being kept if it went through other deletion procedures. The article sounded rather advertising to me with claims like "offers developers increased levels of productivity" and "powerful integration engine". Please see Wikipedia:FAQ/Business. There were no sources or other content to indicate that the subject satisfies Wikipedia:Notability. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:40, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

19th Bomb Group History by 19th BG Historian

I have compiled a history of the 19th Bomb Group from 1932 to 1946 and it's now a part of my web sit www.lanbob.com I would like to make that 19th history a part of Wikipedia for those interested. I'm asking how this can be done. The information was accuired from 1994 to 2002 at which time it was compiled in book form for sale to 19th BG personnel who are part of the 19th Bomb Group Association. The content of the book is on the Web site but should be separated from other information which include family history and history of my experience in the Aerospace industry (except parts omitted for classified reasons). The material contained in the 19th BG history is that provided by the participants and compiled by me. I served as B-29 Engineering officer, 28th Sqd 19th BG 314th Wing North Field Guam 20th AF. I made contact with my outfit after I retired from Aerospace industry in 1992 and was made the historian in 1993. The history information was accuired from participants from that time on and verified by distribution among other participants. I frequently receive requests for imformaton about relatives and included rosters (to the extent available) of those known for a 1941-1942 period in the Far Pacific in B-17s and a 1945 period on Guam in B-29s. Please let me know how the 19th BG history on the web site can be made a part of Wikipedia. Thank you. PS the web site also includes information regarding aerospane work while with North American - Autonetics on Navaho and Minuteman I, II, III; however that was written as my work experience and not as an encyclopedic endeavor. Boblan (talk) 05:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Translating an already existing page

Hello Wikipedia helpdesk I would like to translate an already existing article (they are several pages on the same matter) into Italian (my language) changing just what I really think needs to be changed. Do I need to sign up for this? Is it allowed? How does it work? I would be grateful if you could shed some light on this.

Thank you very much

Claudia 133.221.1.253 (talk) 12:39, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Translation and it:Wikipedia:Traduzioni. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding Cateogories to the Show Globe Page

I am trying to add the categroy "Pharmacy" to the show globe page. I had trouble and for some reason the word template was put there. Could you fix this this up. There is already a category "Pharmacy" Could you also direct me to the place in the tutorial where it talks about adding categories. Thanks, Natalie

Natalie kupferberg (talk) 17:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)Natalie Kupferberg

I corrected it for you; all you need to do is put Category:whatitis in square brackets at the bottom of the page. Plvekamp (talk) 17:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

See more at Help:Category. And since you asked about the tutorial, see Wikipedia:Tutorial (Wikipedia links)#Categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

adding images to the file on show globes

Again I need help in my article on show globes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_Globes

I am trying to add the following image and its caption which I uploaded in the commons http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Red_Hanging_Show_Globe2.jpg along with its description.

A coworker Bruce Leach took the picture and gave his permission to put it in the public domain. I tried following the tutorial but got confused with the syntax. How do I add the vertical line? While I would appreciate it if you would just fix it for me (Its placement can be similar to that in the article on mortar and pestles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortar_and_pestle your full time job is not to help me with wikipedia articles.

I have the book "Wikipedia:The Missing Manual" but that does not help much. How can I learn this stuff?

Any suggestion are appreciaited. Thanks, Natalie Natalie kupferberg (talk) 22:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)Natalie kupferberg

Help:Images and other uploaded files gives a discussion of the various methods of placing an image in an article. The image on Mortar and Pestel is not merely an image, however, it's an infobox. I've fixed the snow globe page for you. Someguy1221 (talk) 22:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Tables

Is there an automated/fast way to alternate colours on tables?

Thanks, Skyezx (talk) 07:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't know such a way. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

How to contribute an article

Hello, I would like to contribute an article with photos of a colleague. All the information is either from his website, was written by me but also approved by him. I have set the article up so that its appearance it like that of other musicians articles. How do I get started? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srkbrat (talk • contribs)

Here is our general advice about creating new articles:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Baroness Teophillia Kazis Danis Zlatarinskas Golden of Kvetki Lithuania 1895 to 1988

Last daughter of John and Elizabeth Kezis, Granddaughter to last Provincial Governor John B Kezis. Niece to first ambassador of Lithuania Count Felix Kamorouskas. Married Baron Andrew Zlatarinskas 8th Baron of Pa Vistycio Vistytis, Grandson to Countess Catherine Sawliejiworn East Prussia, and 10th cousin to Tsar Alexander I. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sucess01 (talk • contribs)

This is a help page where you can ask questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have a question? PrimeHunter (talk) 18:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

serial number

how do find my serial number to allow me to receive registry great217.171.129.77 (talk) 18:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

music SONG LYRICS

previously I requested song lyrics for a song that may be classical or a broadway show tune. I have since found it may possibly be from a patrioic type show eg. "God bless Americal"" again, some of those lyrics are "let there be music" another part of the song is "music gives expression to gladness,release from all sadness"... can you help??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shortieprice (talk • contribs) 19:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• This isn't a lyrics repository. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 20:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• This page is for questions about Wikipedia. Your first question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment#music SONG LYRICS was in the right place. Click "edit" to the right of it to add something. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

only 1/3 of article comes up after editing...did I ruin everyones hard work?

I was trying to edit the page about 'literotica' the page had old data (2005) and several typos. Anyway, I rewrote the parts that needed updating and added more statistics and references. I tried to change the page and ended up screwing the whole thing up. When I try to fix it, I preview changes and only 1/3 of the article comes up. I saved it, it still only has part of the article. I typed all the text, (I have original saved on my computer) but it just doesn't come up. What do I do? I hate to think that I ruined something I worked so hard on, not to mention the contributions of others. Can someone help me?

Can you please notify me on my talk page? Valcorie (talk) 04:11, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

All prior editing and content is contained on the Wikipedia servers, nothing is ever lost or messed up. Don't fret. Simply click on the history tab at the top of the article and click to the two version you wish to compare, preferably the new version and the one prior to your edits. You can undo your own edits this way. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 04:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

See here [12], an editor has already fixed your accidental error. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 04:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

alex sandor weisz

survivor liberated by general Patton May 5th 1945. he was the only survivor in that bmw slave labor factory. age 14, at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.15.49.32 (talk) 09:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

This is a help page where you can ask questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have a question? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

PT community new feature 2 (corrected)

Hi. Can you help me, please? The Portuguese Wikipedia is debating [13] if we should implement a wizard similar to Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Wizard-Introduction. The only difference would be that, after the unresgistered user completes the wizard, the new article would be immediately created rather than being sent to revision. Could you please let me know if this new feature can be implemented in Portuguese Wikipedia? Or indicate a Developer to help me? Thanks and regards, --Rodrigofera (talk) 12:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Question on the use of personal sandbox in creating a new article

Myself and several others are working on a new article in a sandbox page in my user space. When we are at a stage were we want to submit this as a regular article I am assuming that we should perform a Move to its real article name to save all of the editing history? Would this be the correct way of doing this. Are their any disadvantages to this method. The only other way I can see is to just copy and paste the article into a blank new article but then all of the editing history would be gone. Thanks Captain-tucker (talk) 12:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes you should move it, especially because there are multiple contributors involved. When a single editor is involved and then he or she paste the content to a new title name, there is no GFDL problem because all content is created by one person. When there is more than one contributor, as you;ve already noted, pasting cuts the other users out of the article history, which violates the GFDL. One thing to watch out for: when you perform the move the subpage will become a cross namespace redirect to the article. You should either remove the redirection if you plan on using that subpage under the same name in the future, or tag it after the move with {{db-u1}}.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

If all other contributors release their copyright, for example with {{User Publicdomain}} on their user page, then you will be allowed to copy and paste it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Ordination of Women

Janetlees (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)I am a new editor and all this stuff is a bit daunting. I was reading about the ordination of women and realised that I knew something that was not there, and that something else was wrong. I knew this because I'm the joint editor on a book on the ordination of women in the United Reformed Church (Kaye, Lees and Thorpe, 2004). The omission was the name of the first woman ordained in 1917: Constance Coltman (nee Todd), and a few more facts about the practice of ordaining women in the United Reformed Church.When I'd put in the bits I wanted to edit it said complete edit summary and I would but I couldn't seem to work out how to, although it's probably quite easy. So I decided to write and ask how to do the edit summary and where to put the info about the book so that it could be verified. I expect loads of people ask this - sorry to be a pain. Thanks: Janetlees (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, simply be WP:BOLD and update the page yourself. It shouldn't be a problem if you are correcting an error, or adding additional relevant information. Simply click the "edit this page" tab at the top of the article and add the relevant info. Before clicking the "save" button there is a small white box that reads "edit summary". This is where you can elaborate on your changes to the article, explaining why you made the edit in question. Before clicking save it's always a good idea to preview your work, so click the "preview" button first to double check that all is good. Cheers. If it does become a problem (someone reverts you), bring your concerns to the talk page of the article - click the "discussion" tab at the top of the screen and create a new section. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 18:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Janet. Have a look at WP:Citing sources and WP:Citation templates, which explain the preferred format for citations and give you templates you can cut & paste, then fill in to create your reference. In particular, have a look at Template: cite book. If you paste in either of the two example templates 1 or 2 at the point where you want the reference to appear, then complete as many fields as you can and preview, you'll find you've created a citation (the program will number it for you) and the book's details will appear automatically in the reference list at the bottom of the article page. Don't be daunted! By the way, a good tip is to open Wikipedia again in a second window when you're editing an article. Use the second window to keep templates or help pages like WP:Citing sources open to refer to, while you edit the article in your original window. -- Karenjc 18:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Accused of spam; fail to believe this is the case

Hi all, new to editing.

My first move was to put a few external links on some Russian city pages. These link to our site, which features daily business news from those cities each day. I didn't put anything in the article body about us or do anything other than link. I find it hard to believe that these links might not be useful to English-speaking people looking at these cities' pages, since there are hardly many sources providing English business news from Russia's regions.

I have read through the guidelines and thought I was OK. If someone tells me I'm not, well, then, OK, but it would be a surprise.

Any help/feedback welcomed.

Thanks Soysauceman (talk) 16:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Per WP:EL, the links should provide additional and useful information that may not be obtainable from reading the contents of the article. It also might benefit you to read over our guideline on WP:SPAM. All external links are required to exist solely for the purpose of information, and not advertisement. They also need to be immediately relevant. I think a potential problem is that you, the editor, are adding links to a website you are affiliated with. This causes a potential conflict of interest.

You might to want to read WP:LINKSTOAVOID. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 18:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Alberto Blanco, Mexican Poet

I have spent 2.5 days trying to post an article about Alberto Blanco, an important contemporary (born 1951) Mexican poet. I have been frustrated to the point of near-suicide.

But now the page exists (with an "underconstruction" note at the top.) What do I need to do now.? Today is Monday, April 28.

I tried to follow the WIKI directions, but...I am a writer and translator, not an HTML specialist. In addition to adding an image, what do I need? I can give more references or footnotes, but they can be redundant.

Any help would be great. Blanco is MAJOR MAJOR Mexican poet. I have translated a great deal of his work, and know him that way (through email and a few face-to-face meetings).

Thanks, Millerowski (talk) 03:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to respond on the user's talk page, because it's likely to get long-winded. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

George Armstrong Custer Last Stand

I find your account of the famous Custer Last Stand somewhat deficient. Major Marcus Reno was a hero, he was not irresponsible by retreating from the Indian summer camp and Custer made four military mistakes, not three.

The single most important issue that Wikipedia overlooked was the use of the Henry Repeated rifle by the Indian warriors where the 7th Cavalry was ill equipped with a single shot old issue (GI guns of the Civil War Era). The soldiers dropped their guns and retreated to Custer so-called ‘Last Stand’ because their guns required to be reloaded for every shot. The Indians had 11 or 13 bullets each loading….

Major Reno was a hero for saving two third of his commend after experiencing that the Indian’s superior fire power exceeded his men’s by a large margin. Dying for one’s country is a dumb idea, we want to survive by killing the enemy and Custer failed to weigh the fire power into this sad battle plan.

The Gatling guns absent was obviously another mistake; they were left behind to ensure that Custer would be first (ahead of the rest of the troops) at the Indian encampment for the glory. Therefore Reno is twice over smarter officer that Custer was by (1) understanding that the Indian fire power was no match to his and (2) having dinner with his soldiers rather be scalped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.51.216.55 (talk) 13:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• You know, you can always fix the article yourself if you find it deficient... Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 13:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Although, if you do, you'll want to write it in a way that is both neutrally worded and verifiable. Calling Custer "stupid" and the plan "sad" would count as neither. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 01:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Pages

I just wrote an article and it was deleted. It said because it might be a spam or conflict of interest article so I'm assuming I did not write it in the proper wiki language since it WAS my first time. So I was wondering if there is people that will re-write or proof read my article for me? Or maybe give me some pointers on what kind of external links to put on there. --Lawjik (talk) 14:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

conflict of interest, notability and WP:ADVERT are all useful links. You may also want to read up on WP:ARTICLE (how to write a great one) and your first article. Each one of these links, especially the latter two will help you conceive an article that should avoid deletion. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 18:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Dudesleeper --> possible breach of WP:AGF and WP:BITE

I noted a reverted edit on London Underground by User:Dudesleeper from a new editor see this diff [14]. I was not happy aboput the manner of the reversion as it had been identified as vandalism (I thought the edit was valid, albeit that it was unreferenced), and User:Dudesleeper had not given a reason on the talk page of this new editor User:Aonang. I asked for the editor User:Dudesleeper to explain this edit, as per this diff [15]. His response can be found here [[16]. I was not happy with his response as it implied that the revert was because of a bad edit made on another page. I considered this to be in breach of WP:AGF, and as the editor he reverted was new that he was also inbreach of WP:BITE. I replied to this effect as per this diff [17]. I would like the have some feedback on whether I am being over-the-top on this, or whether User:Dudesleeper has infringed WP:AGF and WP:BITE. All that I wanted was for him to apologise to the new editor for reverting his edit, and at the very least explain why he had reverted it. Thank you. Olana North (talk) 18:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

It should be noted that I asked for clarification on the issue on the London Underground talk page several hours ago, to which I've received no response. - Dudesleeper / Talk 18:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

This sounds like a storm in a teacup that probably shouldn't have been brought here (but at least it wasn't taken to WP:AN/I). I have reviewed the edit in question [18] [19], and while it was probably a fairly trivial addition that I may have reverted myself, it was certainly not vandalism. If there is any lesson to be learned here it's that editors need to be careful when using semi-automated tools like Twinkle. --RFBailey (talk) 20:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) To be honest, if I had checked the user's contribution history and seen the "joke" edit to Loughguile, I would have been tempted to regard the "fluffy train" as a hoax too. The edit's language is unencyclopaedic and the phrase "fluffy train" may well be insider jargon, but there does appear to be a train that fulfils this function. I googled "track cleaning train london" and found this [20]. I have no idea whether this is what User:Aonang is referring to, but it may be.

Reverting or rolling back with tools always carries the risk of unfairly branding a GF contribution as vandalism. I think Dudesleeper probably has nibbled Aonang (I'd hesitate to say bitten hard, because no warning was issued over the revert) and the edit should be construed as good faith, although it needs a citation and editing for style. But this page is for new users who have questions about editing and finding their way around Wikipedia. Surely you can sort it out between you with a bit of googling and a discussion on your talk pages without bringing it here? -- Karenjc —Preceding comment was added at 20:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, and apologies for Olana North's trigger-happiness. - Dudesleeper / Talk 22:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

mulitple search words for same page

I am working on the page Thaddis "Kuk" Harrell. Is there a way to reference it so that if someone searches for "Kuk Harrell" or "Thaddis Harrell" they will be directed to his page? Also, did I fix the copyright issue with the picture? I took it and I own the copyright. Kidfrost08 (talk) 02:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

To fix the copyright issue, you'll need to add the appropriate copyright tag to the image page. As for getting the parts of his name to go to the page you've created, you can use redirects. -- Natalya 03:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Missing new page

I just spent hours creating a new page, complete with formal references, and adhering to Wiki style . . . then clicked on 'Show preview' . . . and instead of seeing a preview, was told that no such page existed. Purging the page didn't work, and there is nothing in my 'deleted pages' log. . . has all of this work simply vanished? If someone can reply on my talk page, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Annarean7 (talk) 12:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

That is incredibly frustrating. I once lost a term paper in that manner. There's only one possible way to retrieve the material I know of: if you're using the same window that you typed the article in (you've never shut it), click your back button until you reach the page it was typed at and hope it's still in your computer's cache memory. Sorry, but if that isn't possible or doesn't work, it's gone. It wasn't deleted by anyone—it was never saved; you are a victim of electrons and chaos. I never click save, show preview or show changes without first saving material to my clipboard (highlight the text and copy, either through your browser's editing menu, or by clicking control+C). This is second nature by now. I don't think a single post I've posted in years on any electronic forum wasn't copied in this way first, and it takes less than a second. When typing long documents I've sweated over I go a step further and save it to an offline document, such as a wordpad document, rich text document or a Wordperfect or Word document. I know this is little consolation now, but doing this in the future will guarantee this never happens to you again.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Fuhghettaboutit. You're right: it's no consolation, but good advice . . . I always save my work in any other environment automatically. . . in this case, I was following the direction in the tutorial, which specifically said to preview before saving! Incidentally, I tried the 'back' button as soon as this happened, but was not taken back to my editing page - instead, I was taken into a series of different Wiki pages each time, which all said that 'no such page existed'. . . A disappointing waste a few hours hard work! Anyhow, thanks for the quick reply. Annarean7 (talk) 12:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding a Picture to a living person biography

I've just composed a living person biography and am trying to sort out how to add a picture. I have a JPEG image that I uploaded (file called Geoff_Nelder), but every time I click on "Replace_this_image_male.svg" on the wiki page, I'm just taken to another page with the "no free image" stand-in picture. How do I get my uploaded photo onto the page? " Raveonette22 (talk) 14:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey there. You needed to replace the "replace this image" text in the infobox template with the name of the picture you wanted to appear there. I've done it for you - take a look at the page history to see the diff, that'll give you an idea of how it works. Cheers! Tony Fox (arf!) 16:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)