Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Irelandd

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: Keep. Userpages are generally de facto retained, especially if the user has edited constructively, and the page has no problems. WP:UP#DELETE clearly lays out the community approved reasons to delete them. The rules on deleting user talk pages, WP:UP#DELTALK, are even stricter. A wider community discussion at the proper forum about whether to retain or delete pages of this nature, and whether or not there should be a required level of contributions (if so what should it be), could be started if desired. On a side note: If this user page didn't have the {{Deceased Wikipedian}} template, it probably wouldn't have ever been noticed or discussed here, or ever be deleted under the current guidelines. Take that as you will. (non-admin closure) — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 06:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Irelandd[edit]

Another NOTMEMORIAL issue - user has less than 20 edits on two days (on his own article only, no less, which we don't allow), there was no content on his user page to begin with, and it's memorial templated for all eternity? We used to have activity requirements for these things. MSJapan (talk) 01:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why, but this notice set on the talk page, and it should not have. I can't fix it, but it should be on the userpage. MSJapan (talk) 01:12, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@MSJapan:

Fixed — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 05:47, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. We should welcome people wanting to contribute to their Wikipedia biographies, especially welcoming when they do so under a registered username overtly disclosing their identity. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:19, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Guidelines and "Consider archiving any unseemly disputes, warnings or deletion notices" Thincat (talk) 19:54, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - By default, constructively contributing Wikipedians should be honored with a listing at WP:RIP. Criteria for placement on the Deceased Wikipedian page has not been discussed, although by common sense listed users should have been active enough to be considered part of the community. Tell me how 20 edits on one's own article is "active enough to be part of the community" MSJapan (talk) 03:14, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A single useful contribution makes a contributor. All contributors are valuable to the project. A userpage memorial tag is the smallest show of respect. It also happens to be useful to other wikipedians, even if you don't care to show respect for the dead. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:30, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We are an encyclopedia, not a place to "respect the dead". You clearly misunderstand the function of Wikipedia, and I have no reason to "respect" a random person I've never met and never heard of, and you don't either. You simply have no standing to make your argument other than the fact that "I'm a bad person" because I don't agree with you. Disingenuous nonsense, by the way. MSJapan (talk) 18:56, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Editors matter. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:09, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets the appropriate guideline and serves the useful purpose of letting other editors know there's no point in trying to contact the user. Meters (talk) 21:53, 23 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per MSJapan, not meeting the standard set at WP:RIP. Moreover, the userpage and user talkpage are empty, there is nothing here to memorialize the person with! And if this user had contributed to 20 other articles, I would be on the fence. But all his edits are WP:COI, which is strongly discouraged. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 13:28, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You and MSJapan are mixing up two things: The "Deceased Wikipedians" obiturary list at WP:RIP (which requires names to be manually added) and the template {{Deceased Wikipedian}}.

WP:RIP applies to that obituary list ("Welcome to Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians, a memorial listing of English-language Wikipedians who died.") and WP:DWG has a section named "On WP:RIP and memorial pages" specifically for that list as well. I agree that a user with just a handful of edits does not belong there, but: None of the accounts listed by MSJapan was ever added to that list! Therefore your both arguments are based on false assumptions - and what you are complaining about is a complete non-issue.

However, none of this has anything to do with adding the {{Deceased Wikipedian}} template to a user page: The rules for adding the user page template are defined in the section "On the userpage" of WP:DWG: "A standardized and secular template, {{Deceased Wikipedian}}, is available to be placed on the user talk pages of deceased Wikipedians." Adding this template does not add a user to any memorial portal or hall-of-fame, it simply indicates that the account owner is dead, nothing more. Therefore, per our established rules: Keep.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:55, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I don't see the problem here. Yes, almost all of the editor's Wikipedia edits were to his own biography, but he must have been notable enough to justify having the biographical article, because the article has been up for 11 years and has never even been nominated for deletion as far as I can tell, much less deleted. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:28, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.