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Curator(s) or manager(s) of image issues?

I'm a longtime Wikipedian. But here is something I'm ignorant about: is there a person or persons devoted to dealing with issues related to images/photos for existing articles? My reason for asking this is that I've received an email from the holder of copyrighted photos of Gerald Heard, hinting that he may be willing to donate a good photo. Can you suggest someone I might contact? and if so, how can I contact them?Joel Russ (talk) 20:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Joel Russ Most images, and ALL images of living persons, are hosted at Wikimedia Commons. They have a help desk but for instructions how to donate copyright material, see Commons:COM:ET. The simpler procedure is for the holder of the copyright (usually the photographer) to upload it themselves by following the instructions at commons:Special:UploadWizard, which page also contains a link to their Help Desk. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:15, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Mike.Joel Russ (talk) 23:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Feature photo not displaying correctly

The primary feature photo for Mount Verendrye is not displaying correctly as it is stretched. It's not an issue with my computer's cache because it appears the same on another unrelated computer. Ron Clausen (talk) 01:49, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ron Clausen. The image displays just fine to me. I am viewing it through the desktop site on a Android smartphone. Cullen328 (talk) 02:21, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Try with a regular computer, and an iPad. Ron Clausen (talk) 03:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

So I looked at a Samsung smartphone, and it does display correctly which aligns with your result. So there must be an issue with type of operating system. Please look into it. Ron Clausen (talk) 03:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

So it now displays correctly, so somebody fixed it. Would that person please also fix the same issue with the feature photo for Mount Sparrowhawk. Thanks. Ron Clausen (talk) 03:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ron Clausen: There's nothing wrong with the infobox picture on Mount Sparrowhawk; the article was last edited in September. The article history for Mount Verendrye shows no alteration to the infobox image's details. Bazza (talk) 08:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ron Clausen Sometimes this is a problem at your end, and can be fixed with WP:BYPASS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:47, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but that didn't fix it. Again, if it was just this computer I could believe it's something on my end. But the fact that I can go to the wife's iPad (which doesn't ever use Wikipedia, and not connected to the desktop) and find the same problem indicates something wrong at Wikipedia. Again, the feature photo for Mount Sparrowhawk is stretched, but when clicked on, it will display correctly. Ron Clausen (talk) 12:02, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I've just compared the image ratios reported by Chrome on Windows 10 for the image in the article's infobox, and the original on Commons:

• Image in infobox 272 × 184 = 1.478 ratio
• Original image 2,610 × 1,767 = 1.477 ratio.

They're both around the same ratio, no stretching here. Bazza (talk) 15:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Here is my view of the stretched image in the infobox:

flickr.com/photos/145389106@N04/52444477631/in/dateposted-public/

Compare to how it's supposed to look:

flickr.com/photos/145389106@N04/52444477251/in/dateposted-public/ Ron Clausen (talk) 00:04, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

According to the commons page, you uploaded two versions of that file on 20 September. Your "stretched" screenshot seems to be using the earlier version of the file, which is substantially taller than the later (current) one. I don't know why you would be seeing the earlier version, unless it's a caching issue. CodeTalker (talk) 00:38, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Not sure how it's a caching issue on my computer when the photo appears stretched on an unrelated iPad as well. Are we talking spooky entanglement? (a quantum particles reference) Ron Clausen (talk) 00:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ron Clausen: (edit conflict) The stretched image in your first link is not the same image. It's the first version at File:Mt. Sparrowhawk.jpg#filehistory, stretched to the height-width ratio of the new version. This sometimes happens for a while at certain resolutions or on certain connections but it doesn't usually last a month. For me, the article displays https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Mt._Sparrowhawk.jpg/272px-Mt._Sparrowhawk.jpg which loads the right image for me. MediaWiki makes HTML specifying both height and width of images so the browser can reserve space for the image before it's loaded and display other elements like text without having to move things around later. If an image with another ratio is loaded for some reason then it's stretched by your own browser. It's often hard to fix and I already see the right image so I cannot tell whether a couple of things I tried are working. See commons:Help:Purge#Advanced manual thumbnail purging for some things you can try, but it will probably fix itself eventually. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:53, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense. But doesn't explain why it also appears on the unconnected iPad. Ron Clausen (talk) 21:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ron Clausen: There are meta:Wikimedia servers around the World to handle the traffic. You probably hit the same data centre and maybe the same server. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:41, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

This article has very wrong things

• Holmesburg Prison was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 2022-01-18 and 2022-05-06. quote:

"Richard P. Strong at Harvard University went as far as to say that TCDD was the most toxic and most carcinogenic compound known to man."

• ref:Journal of Zoophily 16 (1907): 94
  • the reference and "Harvard", is from Hornblum, but not in the context of TCDD:
    • Hornblum, Allen M. (13 May 2013). "Three". Acres of Skin: Human Experiments at Holmesburg Prison. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-134-00165-1. In 1906, Dr. Richard P. Strong, an American who was the director of the Biological Laboratory of the Philippine Bureau of Science, performed a series of experiments with the cholera virus upon the inmates of the Bilibid prison in Manila.
  • however, dioxins post-1962:
    • Institute of Medicine (US) Committee to Review the Health Effects in Vietnam Veterans of Exposure to Herbicides. Veterans and Agent Orange: Health Effects of Herbicides Used in Vietnam. Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 1994. 2, History of the Controversy Over the Use of Herbicides. Available from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236351/

hatnotes anyone?

0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 12:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. Please discuss on the talk page of the relevant article, and express yourself more clearly. ColinFine (talk) 13:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Created a page for Gary Lionelli

Created a page for the music composer Gary Lionelli, however there seems to be very few interviews or articles of him online. Can use some help with this page. The Ajan (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, The Ajan. I don't recommend starting by creating redlinks. Instead, create a draft using WP:AFC. Writing an article begins with finding the sources - and most of them have to be independent sources, so interviews don't help. Sources don't have to be online; but if the reliable independent sources don't exist, then he doesn't meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and it's not worth spending any time on it. ColinFine (talk) 13:32, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I see you did attempt to create it in mainspace, and it got deleted. That is what tends to happen. That's why I recommend working in draft space. But you also apparently used copyright material, which is a no-no. Have you read WP:YFA? ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

If there are very few articles about him, that's not a good sign as far as trying to assert his notability. Interviews are pretty near useless for this purpose. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:49, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Story and biography of Georgios Dritsakos

I just found it in the archive.org/web/201408060533317/http://www.haf.gr/el/structure/hgesia/dritsakos_cv.asp. I just put it in his references for Georgios Dritsakos. It will help find a translation in English. 100.2.114.167 (talk) 15:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)  Courtesy link: Draft:Georgios Dritsakos

Hello. I'm not sure why you have told us that here. Is there something you want to ask us? ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Page no longer updated

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias/Table is no longer updated since October 15. What happen? 94.247.8.9 (talk) 17:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

It appears to be updated by a bot over on Meta. The bot has stopped running. Someone has already queried the bot operator. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:10, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Editing guidelines for Simple Wikipedia

I've just started editing pages on Simple English Wikipedia. (I have some experience editing normal Wikipedia.) Can you point me to any specific editing guidelines for this version of Wikipedia? Rosieredfield (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

You're likely to get a better response if you ask this at simple:Wikipedia:Simple talk, but see simple:Wikipedia:Useful pages for a starting point. Also note that the Simple English Wikipedia is an entirely different community and has its own different processes and expectations in addition to having pages written in a simplified language. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks!Rosieredfield (talk) 19:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Citing the Soka Gakkai Dictionary of Buddhism

For example, how would I cite this page? Mucube (talk) 19:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

{{cite dictionary |entry=Wei Yüan-sung |entry-url=https://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/dic/Content/W/9 |dictionary=Soka Gakkai Dictionary of Buddhism |publisher=Soka Gakkai Nichiren Buddhism Library}}

"Wei Yüan-sung". Soka Gakkai Dictionary of Buddhism. Soka Gakkai Nichiren Buddhism Library.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:09, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Street (surname)

I have frequently removed from Surname pages entries that have no corresponding article. Recently however a User, with more WikiCredentials than this old plodder, reversed one such (it had a reference though). Their comment was "notability was explained in the entry's addition - disambig pages commonly include unlinked entries". I don't mind being wrong, but who's right? Doug butler (talk) 20:26, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Same here, I don't mind being wrong. It has been my understanding that disambiguation is just for that purpose - to direct to a more specific article, or to at least mention other notable possibilities. I've never heard of a hard rule that all entries must have blue links. For the purpose here, I added an entry with a reasonable notability claim - a musical artist who had at least one Billboard Hot 100 hit. I believe the inclusion would be helpful for anyone searching for Janey Street on this site, for at least they would see she's a notable Street, and someone may at some point decide to create an article. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:55, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

From WP:DABSTYLE: "Each bulleted entry should have a navigable (blue) link, normally as the entry itself (see the previous bullet), or in the description if the entry is red-linked or unlinked".

This may be "commonly done", but it seems to me that it is directly contrary to an editing guideline. ColinFine (talk) 22:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. That's what the guideline says then, albeit mass violation going on. So what is the guideline for what qualifies for a blue link in the description of a red link or unlinked entry? Has this ever been resolved in any meaningful way? I could certainly think of blue links to use in descriptions. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 23:00, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguation articles are there to disambiguate between articles – actual articles that exist. People who want to "add a subject to Wikipedia", without the bother of actually creating an article, sometimes add a redlink to a disambiguation page. They shouldn't. They'd do better to add a redlink to an existing article where a mention of their chosen subject would be relevant. Maproom (talk) 07:24, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Points taken, but creating an article takes a lot of time (including defense of it), something I and many others don't have. Mentioning a notable subject at least gives a searcher something to land on, and see that an article is deserving. I'm just going to remove all the notable subjects I've recently added to a few DAB pages - this conflict reminds me why I essentially quit a few years ago. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Resolved

How to create a numbered list without indent?

I was wondering how to create an ordered numbered list without each item indented. For example if I use the code # I get:

1. Item 1
2. Item 2

Notice there is an indent. I am trying to get a list without this indent. Cheers! Thinker78 (talk) 23:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Thinker78. You can probably do it with explicit CSS, but I don't know the details. If you study Help:List, I think it might give you some clues. ColinFine (talk) 19:21, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Thinker78: For a decent solution, you need to apply CSS styling to the list's HTML container (which in this case is <ol>) as well as its items. [1] has some technical information about this.

The {{Ordered list}} template, which you can use in place of wiki mark-up, only lets you apply styling to the list's items, not the list itself. You can cheat a bit and do this

{{Ordered list|item_style=margin-left:-2em|Item 1|Item 2}}

1. Item 1
2. Item 2

but it's a clunky solution and you need to be sure that the default indentation is always what you think it will be, and whether your list will grow into ten or more items.

Aside from all that, is there a reason you wish to do this on Wikipedia? Bazza (talk) 10:26, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bazza 7 Thanks for the info you provided. The reason I want this is because I have noticed that when someone posts in a thread and ends with an ordered list, the subsequent reply's indentation matches that of the list. The indent can be increased in the reply easily, but the different indentation of the list can confuse things a bit. Thinker78 (talk) 00:11, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Thinker78 I see what you are saying, but is this worth finding a workaround? David10244 (talk) 23:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@David10244 I try to be very detailed oriented in the work I do. When I stumble on a problem and it generates my interest I try to find a solution. Thinker78 (talk) 03:11, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@Thinker78 Well, that makes sense. I do that sometimes, but I might give up more easily! Cheers. David10244 (talk) 02:58, 26 October 2022 (UTC)