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April 18

Mukkadarpur Ka Majnu (Jpg)

I am just Informed That I am the producer of the film called Mukkadarpur Ka Majnu and that poster belongs to my film and it was designed by my team of designers, how I am violating Copywrite act...

please Help me.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mukkadarpur Ka Majnu (talk • contribs) 09:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mukkadarpur Ka Majnu:Basically, with rare exceptions, all creative works in fixed form are copyrighted. This includes that poster. I do not know the specific contractual details of copyright within your team or organization, but whoever owns the copyright (probably not you personally) will need to formally license the copyright under a compatible free license before you can upload it to Wikimedia commons. If you do not wish to license it that way, then it cannot be uploaded to Commons. You may have the right to act on behalf of the copyright holder: if so, you did not violate copyright law. However, you did not conform to our rules, so you cannot upload to our web site. -Arch dude (talk) 15:34, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Notability

Is this article, Eshakchi is notable enough to be in Wikipedia? CyberTroopers (talk) 09:36, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

CyberTroopers, WP:GEOLAND has guidance on that. More sources would be good, obviously. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:26, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you.CyberTroopers (talk) 10:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

How to delete my account

I want a new account i do not like my name how to delete account please per gdpr — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsla1337 (talk • contribs)

Hello Tsla1337. An account cannot be deleted. However, you can change your username by going to either Special:GlobalRenameRequest or Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple. Interstellarity (talk) 11:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

User page protection

It says in WP:UPPROT that "Base user pages (for example, the page User:Example, and not User:Example/subpage or User talk:Example) are automatically protected from creation or editing by unconfirmed accounts and anonymous IP users." (emphasis is mine)

But my user page was vandalised by a troll here who doesn't have a confirmed account and yesterday an unconfirmed account accidentally sent a warning to my user page [1].--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 11:44, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@SharabSalam: If you feel that your user page needs to be protected, you can request page protection at WP:RPP. Interstellarity (talk) 11:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) SharabSalam, the first was an autoconfirmed user, who waited since the 26th and then made exactly 10 completely pointless edits to become autoconfirmed. The second was also autoconfirmed, having registered on the 17th, and making 20 edits prior.

If you are interested, you can see what the filter has prevented being done to your user page at [2] (no idea how to properly link to that)

~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 12:01, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Alex Noble, thanks! I had no idea about this. I thought an account become confirmed when it has 500 edits and it has been registered for 30 days. When does an account become "autoconfirmed"?--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 12:25, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@SharabSalam: Autoconfirmed is 4 days and 10 edits. Extended confirmed is 30 days and 500 edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:37, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Aha I see. I never had time to read these user access levels. Thanks.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 12:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Wiki article

how do I create a wiki article? Yeetyman123 (talk) 13:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Yeetyman123, we recommend new users follow the steps at wp:your first article. Creating a new article from scratch is one of the harder tasks here, and we would encourage you to become acclimatised to our policies by editing existing articles first. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 14:47, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

SHROPSHIRE COUNTY CRICKETERS LISTED

MISSING - PETER MORRIS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.70.60.53 (talk) 13:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm guessing this is about a player named Peter Morris missing from Shropshire County Cricket Club#Notable players? I don't see a Wikipedia article for a relevant Peter Morris. The section should only list notable people about whom there is (or is likely to be) a Wikipedia article. (Please don't SHOUT). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:46, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Please confirm the page that you are enquiring about: The only Wikipedia article I can find about a cricketer of that name is this one, who played for Auckland in New Zealand. Lists of persons of a particular description would typically only contain names of those who have Wikipedia articles. WP:NCRIC shows the criteria for cricketers to be considered notable, (I.e. worthy of a Wikipedia article). If Morris did not play first class cricket he is unlikley to pass the guideline. There is a category, Category:Shropshire cricketers but again, players are included in that by adding the category to an existing article. Please do not write in 'all-caps' and please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 14:58, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing and font change

Hello,

I just added a paragraph, but the original material below my addition suddenly changed its font. What do I do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Congregational_Church_and_Cemetery Maineshepp (talk) 14:44, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Maineshepp, when a new line starts with a space, it places it into a box for some reason. I've fixed it. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 14:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Not "for some reason". That is the wikitext convention for what is called "preformat" in HTML, and is used when you wish to display text with a fixed-pitch font instead of a variable-pitch font. The leading example of this is for displaying computer source code. -Arch dude (talk) 15:18, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: I wonder if anyone actually uses it for that, as we have better ways of doing it (pre, source, code, etc.). I was going to respond, but couldn't actually find it documented. The only times I see it used recently are mistakes. Has there been any talk of deprecating it? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:37, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea. I'm guessing this is deeply embedded in the Wikimedia software and that it was inherited from the ancient days of earlier wiki software. -Arch dude (talk) 18:11, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I made a mistake

I logged out of my account and activated my vpn, than tried to log back in. This resulted in my IP address getting blocked, I can edit from my usual account but can’t create new accounts. I was planning on creating a bot account after my first one was involved in an incident and cruelly executed. I’d wait it out if the block was for a month or so but it’s for a really long period. Thanks, Rodrigo Valequez^(🗣) 15:53, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

My IP adress keeps getting blocked, and unblocked, and blocked again, and unblocked again.. Rodrigo Valequez^(🗣) 15:56, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Rodrigo Valequez, My advice would be to not create a bot until you have a very solid understanding of WP policy, and the existing bots. Before running any bot automated tasks, you would need approval from the bot approval group. Bots can cause a lot of damage, even if well intentioned and made, which is why their code and purpose are closely scrutinized by our tech experts. Looking at your last bot, it looks like you wanted to use it to fix typos. We already have a semi-automated typo fixing program, called auto-wiki browser that automates grammar fixes, but does require human oversight, because sometimes typos or grammar errors can be misread by bot syntax. You will also need to apply for permission to use AWB, as it is a very powerful tool. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

​ Well, thanks. Rodrigo Valequez^(🗣) 09:56, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Also I'm pretty sure you're slightly mistaken as to what's going on. Your VPN provider is probably flagged as an open proxy because people can use it to edit abusively. Wikipedia (and all Wikimedia wikis) uses TorBlock to prevent logged-out editing from such hosts. You can still edit from them while logged in to an account. (New account creation is also disabled because it would largely defeat the purpose; people could just create tons of accounts for abuse.) --47.146.63.87 (talk) 00:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Access date when editing an incomplete citation

I'm completing a citation that only consisted of an URL when it was first posted. Could anyone please tell me if I should put today's access date, or try to find out when it was added to the article? It's an online news article with a publication date, for the record, but my OCD made me feel guilty about not trying to find an answer to the question of what the access date should be, so sorry to annoy anybody who reads this.--Thylacine24 (talk) 16:29, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

The access date is supposed to be the "date a cite template's |url= parameter was last successfully accessed", so if you've visited the source's URL and confirmed that the source still supports the cited information, you should enter the date on which you accessed the source. Deor (talk) 17:17, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for telling me. Just finished fixing it. (Note: Changed signature due to being logged out when I first signed. Sorry about that.) (Further note: Fixed it incorrectly, and forgot to add another edit note here, and not just in the edit summary. Sorry yet again.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 17:33, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Deor and Thylacine24: At Template:Cite web/doc#URL, bullet url(access-date) starts Full date when the content pointed to by url was last verified to support the text in the article. Based on this, I suppose you could set it to the date the bare URL was cited, but I think leaving it out is reasonable. Unless, of course, you're willing to verify the cited material against the source (please ), in which case, set it to the date you verified it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:56, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Could you please tell me if you mean that I should search the page's history to see if I can find when the article's URL was first cited? I'll try to do it in lieu of no access date at all, but since you seem to be disagreeing with Deor, I feel conflicted.--Thylacine24 (talk) 18:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I believe that the access date should either be left blank, or should give a date at which the source was actually accessed. Setting it to the date at which the bare url was cited might not do that – for instance, if the bare url had been copied from another article without checking. Maproom (talk) 07:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Maproom Thanks for telling me that.--Thylacine24 (talk) 15:09, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

No, no, no. |access-date= holds the date that the cited source, an ephemeral url, supported the content of the en.wiki article. Checking the url to see that it doesn't 404 and using the date of such a check as the access date has no value. Please, check the source to see that it supports the en.wiki article. Hunting back through the article history (using WP:WIKIBLAME can help – alas, it's down right now) to find the date that the original url was added to the en.wiki article can serve as a good date to start from when looking for an archive of that ephemeral url.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:31, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Trappist the monk So, just to be absolutely clear, you do want me to find the date that the URL was originally cited, right?--Thylacine24 (talk) 14:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, if it is necessary to find an archived copy of that source. If you check a source today and today's version of the source supports the text in the en.wiki article, then use today's date in |access-date=. If today's version of the source does not support the en.wiki article, then a search for the date that the url was originally included in, and presumably supported, the en.wiki article is helpful because now you can go to https://archive.org/ or other archival sites and perhaps locate an archived copy of the source on or about that date. It is still important to check the archived copy to make sure it supports the en.wiki article (ephemeral urls can change at any time so the archived copy may be wholly irrelevant).

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

{{u|Trappist the monk]] Thanks for telling me, and sorry to be so late in replying – I've had a lot of OCD-related stuff on my mind, so I forgot about it. I also just made the edit.--Thylacine24 (talk) 23:02, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Spelling Dictionary for Source Editor

When I am using the source editor, I sometimes see words underscored in red, which seems to indicate that they do not pass a spelling check against a spelling dictionary. Where is the spelling dictionary located? Alternatively, what Windows 10 application is being used by the source editor to do the spell check? I think that I am asking this question in the right place rather than at the computing Reference Desk because it is specific to editing Wikipedia. (At least, it has to do with editing Wikipedia. Until I know what Windows 10 app I am using, I won't know whether I am using it somewhere else also.) Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: It's probably your browser's spellcheck. Danski454 (talk) 17:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: You can probably disable it by right-clicking in the edit window and un-checking something like "Check spelling". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:59, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Danski454, User:AlanM1 - I will follow up at the Computing Reference Desk about the Firefox spell check. I wasn't asking about turning it off, but I would like to be able to add words to it. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:03, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: I don't know about editing the dictionary directly, but if you right-click on a red-underlined word, it gives the option to "Add to dictionary". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:06, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing signature on help desk

I accidentally forgot to log in before responding to an answer I had requested here, and edited it afterward, which I then screwed up, fixed, and forgot to add a parenthetical note about my second signature-related edit, which I then added on a fourth edit. Sorry about all that. I know I'm asking for forgiveness instead of permission here, but could anyone please tell me if fixing a signature in this way is acceptable here?--Thylacine24 (talk) 17:44, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Thylacine24, I don't think anyone is going to begrudge if you fix it. In fact, its better to claim logged out edits you make by accident, rather than just leaving them. It helps clarify conversations, and prevents people from thinking you're trying to log out on purpose. Its not a big deal. But do try to stay logged in whenever possible, since editing with your IP is actually less anonymous than editing with your account. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 18:55, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for telling me. (Edit: And now I just made the same mistake again, and had to edit it, sorry.) (Further edit, which I'm sorry I didn't confess earlier: this whole post was OCD-motivated, but I still think it was worth asking, and I found Captain Eek's response informative. This particular confession was also OCD-motivated.) (One last edit: I accidentally put down two identical signatures, but removed one in the same edit that I'm writing this. Sorry about that!)--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:19, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Color code table

Hi! I need help to add colour coding for the tables in articles List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_NCT and NCT discography. Basically, this is a page that shows a long list of releases by an umbrella music group as well as by many of its individual sub-groups. It used to be a short list, but with newer releases added every year, I reckon it is now becoming quite confusing especially for readers who come to this article with the purpose to look at only the content related to a certain sub-group. (Context: these units carry out most activities independently - very few activities under the umbrella group name as a whole).

Color coding the table rows by the sub-group would make it easier for the readers , although I'm not sure where to start with color coding... also, if you have seen somewhere an article that has this table color coding system nicely in place - something I can reference to work on it - would be much much appreciated. Much thanks for your guidance! :) --PeaceNT (talk) 17:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@PeaceNT: I was going to suggest, for WP:ACCESSIBILITY, adding a column for the sub-group, but I think you're referring to the Recipient column in the awards article? If so, in source editor, you can color a table cell by adding style="background-color:#xxxxxx" | before the value. If the '|' is already there because of rowspans, etc., place the style before the existing '|'. For example, change:

• | NCT 127

to:

• | style="background-color:#88FFFF" | NCT 127

or

• | rowspan="8" | NCT 127

to:

• | rowspan="8" style="background-color:#88FFFF" | NCT 127

Example:

Year	Recipient	Nominated work	Award	Result	Ref.
2017	NCT 127	NCT 127	New Artist of the Year	Won

If there is already a style="something" there, just add to it like this: style="something; background-color:#xxxxxx".

Use {{Legend}} or one of its alternatives to produce a color key. Also note the WP:ACCESSIBILITY guidelines for color contrast. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:24, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks! I will revise the tables this way. Much appreciated, --PeaceNT (talk) 19:00, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Vanishing Account

Hello, I recently tried to create an account in my own name. Wikipedia sent me an email to verify my identity which indicated that I had about 6 hours to respond by clicking on a specified link in the email. When I clicked on the link a page opened that indicated that the link was expired. I was able to get into my account preferences page which also had a similar verification button at the bottom of the page (which I assume was to verify edits to the page). I clicked on the button and got a similar email to which I responded. I got the same message about an expired link. When I backed up to my account preferences page to try again, the account preferences page was gone. It appears that my account was deleted. Why? Allyn Shell (talk) 19:18, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Accounts cannot be deleted. I guess you were not looking at Special:Preferences but at your user page User:Allyn Shell. It's optional for users to create a user page. Before you did so after posting here, the page would have said: "Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact title. In general, this page should be created and edited by User:Allyn Shell". The email with the link is only to verify your email address so email features can be enabled. It sounds like your mail software failed to copy the full link when you clicked it. Try copying the address directly to your browser address bar. It's optional to associate an email address with your account. You need it if you forget your password. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:00, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Article classification

Hello, I recently had an article Luke Swann accepted which was brilliant! I got a message saying it was assessed as a 'start-class' article. I have tried looking for this confirmation on the articles talk page but I can't seem to find where it says 'start-class'? Could you please advise as to where it confirms the current article status. Many thanks Pegs50

@Pegs50: Some content is omitted in the mobile version. Most editors use the desktop version. Click "Desktop" at the bottom of Talk:Luke Swann to see the desktop version. It currently says Stub-class but the first version said Start-class. Click the "View history" tab and then the oldest time stamp to see it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Who may edit a page about someone who is deceased?

Hello; my niece and I wanted to edit a page that was posted by someone (not us) about my mother. My mother passed away last year and, because she was a notable political figure in our home state, someone picked up the obituary and created a page on her. I stumbled upon it and wanted to edit it to add details which are verifiable and referenced. My niece and I spent some time working on it, but then when she was ready to post, she was told that a family member may not edit a page about someone.

Please advise, who can? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1314:42F5:2420:7D78:6F46:BDD5 (talk) 20:59, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Per our conflict of interest policy, please make the proposal for the changes on the article talk page. If other contributors feel they are valuable, they may add it for you. Also, my deepest condolences to you and your family. El_C 21:03, 18 April 2020 (UTC)