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May 4

Susan Barrantes

Please repair ref number 1 - I got it wrong, sorry 2001:8003:D968:5701:657B:336E:7E52:F4A (talk) 00:06, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done (not by me) MB 00:57, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:TheWikiWizard/Templates/Main Page Did you know these Facts

Hello, Can someone make the image in that page appear like an image will on the Wikipedia main page if that is possible thanks. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:24, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Thegooduser - Have you looked through Help:Pictures to locate what you're looking for? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:46, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Oshwah, Nope, I didn't think of that! Thanks Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:46, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Contact article originator?

How do I contact the originator of an article to ask a question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimb101 (talk • contribs) 03:38, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Jimb101. If the article in question was 2015 Atlantic hurricane season, you would click the "History" tab, taking you here, whereupon you would click "oldest", taking you here. Then, you would scroll to the bottom of the page to find the creator of the article. In this case, Jdorje "created" the article, as a redirect, but Typhoon2013 was the first person to write anything, so you would contact them on their user talk page.

Bear in mind that articles are group efforts, and the original author may only be a small contributor to the text you see today. A more common way of discussing an article is to use the article's own talk page.

Also note that the earliest edit history for some very old pages has been lost, so finding the name of the original author may not be possible. Also, the author may be retired, or blocked, or otherwise inactive, so contacting them may be pointless.

Hope this helps! Eman235/talk 03:56, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

442nd Infantry Regiment Article Correct Soldier Name

The soldier holding a Carbine rifle is Sergeant Goichi Suehiro who served as a machine sergeant in Fox Company 442nd Infantry Regiment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuni12345678 (talk • contribs) 03:49, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

The US Army source doesn't say who it is, so I've deleted "Sergeant Inouya", but I can't add Suehiro just on your say-so. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Can't log in

I can't log in. I don't know my password or email address. I know my username and I have user page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:4300:383F:B070:9D2B:E31A:C2E2 (talk) 04:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Help:Logging in#What if I forget the password? suggests that making a new account is (probably) the only solution. You may want to ask an administrator (perhaps open a thread at WP:AN), though. Eman235/talk 04:50, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Used bookstore

Hi, I've added a gallery section on the article Used bookstore but not sure if it is okay or too much. So, can I add a gallery section?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 05:22, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I'd say too much. A bunch of store fronts doesn't really provide much in the way of additional information, IMO. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:41, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 07:31, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Is this fair use?

Hi there. I have recently created some userboxes for supporters of Association Football teams ([1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WBPchur/UB#Teams), but when visiting the Wikimedia commons page for one the teams' logos I noticed that it did not have a free licence. The page said the following "It is believed that the use of low-resolution images on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as fair use under the Copyright law of the United States". I believe that the userboxes I have created are fair use, but if they aren't it would be much appreciated if someone could let me know. I am still somewhat new here. Help would be much appreciated.

Definitely not fair use. There are no circumstances in which images intended for use on a userpage could ever be considered fair use. (Fails #9 of WP:NFCCP, if you want the formal policy.) ‑ Iridescent 06:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Ok thanks for that. I can remove them. WBPchur (talk) 06:44, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I have edited and removed all possible unfair use from the userboxes. Thanks for your assistance Iridescent. WBPchur (talk) 07:20, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@Iridescent: Well technically NFCC is intentionally more restrictive than fair use, so there are instances of fair use that would still be disallowed in Wikipedia. For instance a parody of a well-known story with copyrighted elements, as can be found aplenty on the interwebs, would be fair use; but it would still not be allowed on Wikipedia (per NFCC #8 in mainspace and NFCC #9 elsewhere). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 19:13, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Jeremy_Bentham#Death_and_the_auto-icon

Resolved

I've added a bit about a persistent myth, citing a podcast given by a primary source. Only problem is that I can't get the citation to work properly! Could someone please make the citation work properly, then point out where I went wrong? Thank you in advance! Stephen! ^Coming... 09:22, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I added <ref>...</ref>, thus. References need their reftags. DuncanHill (talk) 09:27, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I knew there was something I forgot! Thanks for tidying up after me :-) Stephen! ^Coming... 09:30, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

No problem, DuncanHill (talk) 09:35, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

WikiProjects and Special:RecentChangesLinked

Hey there. I'm wondering if there's a better way to watch over recent changes to articles pertaining to a specific WikiProject. I've been using PetScan to compile a list of articles belonging to WikiProject Iceland in order to be able to look over recent changes to articles tagged as belonging to the project (copying what WikiProject Medicine does). Since only the talk pages of articles are tagged, I can't enter the category in Special:RecentChangesLinked since that only shows changes to talk pages.

Is there a better way to look over changes in a WikiProject? Does there exist a bot like Community Tech bot (which currently compiles a list of the most popular pages) that compiles a list of all articles related to a WikiProject? I can see that Wmflabs had a tool in 2008 for watching for related changes.

– Þjarkur (talk) 11:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Usernames after import

I just imported AustriA from nost:AustriA. Both on the nost page and the one here, the usernames are "imported>Josh Grosse" and "imported>LarrySanger‎". Any idea what happened, and any idea whether someone with edit rights at nost would be able to fix something? Nyttend (talk) 12:30, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Nyttend this is deliberate - see phab:T200135. Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:37, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Archiving multiple external links present in a Wikipedia article using Internet Archive's Wayback Machine

Hi! Is there a service/script/gadget that would allow me to save multiple external webpages that are linked in a Wikipedia article (or other page) at once using Internet Archive's Wayback Machine? This would, for example, make it easier to archive a bunch of references and help combat link rot. --Hmxhmx 12:40, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@Hmxhmx, have you tried the InternetArchiveBot Management Interface? – Þjarkur (talk) 18:18, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@User:Þjarkur, thanks! I will try that. Does that also work on other language-versions of Wikipedia? --Hmxhmx 19:08, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Hmxhmx - If you click history on a page, and then "fix dead links", this does the same thing, and sends you to the same page. Remember to click the radio button on the page to archive references. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:22, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@User:Lee Vilenski, thanks! I wasn't aware of that. --Hmxhmx 19:25, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

​It's available for a few wikis which are listed in the site's toolbar, but not currently hrwiki. I'm not certain (hopefully someone can correct me), but I think it is possible to turn on InternetArchiveBot for other wikis if you find someone to write a new configuration file for InternetArchiveBot, and then have an hrwiki admin submit a ticket on Phabricator asking to turn it on. – Þjarkur (talk) 19:38, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, we already discussed enabling IABot on hrwiki and came to a positive decision, but then no further action was taken. I'll re-open the discussion on that. Thanks for the help! In the mean time, I'll manually fix dead links on hrwiki, and use the IABot Management Interface for enwiki. --Hmxhmx 19:44, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Users which write articles.

Dear Wikipedia,

I got a reply on a remark that I made to an article. But the sender only left his "name" to which there is no connection. How do I find???

145.129.136.48 (talk) 15:55, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

It might help if you could tell us which article and what was your question. - FlightTime (open channel) 15:59, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

OK. It was a remark about saga. But I could not remember the page. I got a question from the maker but he appeared not addressable. ?

145.129.136.48 (talk) 16:06, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

The person who contacted you had something wrong with their signature. Anyway, you can find their talk page here to post a message: User talk:Smithriedel. They might nor respond very quickly since they haven't edited in a month, though. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:28, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

List of films containing frequent marijuana use

Hi!

The article 'List of films containing frequent marijuana use' should not contain the term 'frequent' as it is too ambiguous. I believe any indication of marijuana use should be listed.

I recently stated that in the film Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring, Bilbo states to Gandolf, "This is good weed Gandolf" while they smoke their pipes. This is a certain indication that the term weed means marijuana. When I enter this fact on the article someone removes it. Why?

I have stopped donating to Wikipedia due to the fact that objective information can be erased without my being able to defend the validity of my observation. This is bias, and I am not sure why it's being done?

I will continue to use Wikipedia as it contains many useful articles for research, but if facts are allowed to be deleted without defense of reason then it becomes bias propaganda.

I did state on the talk board well in advance that I believe in my statement, but no one reacted, instead they just deleted my observation/fact.

Wayne

Hello Red Shield, your addition of the Lord of The Rings was reverted because the films are speaking of the fictional pipe-weed and not cannabis. Most people explain why they remove things in the edit summary, these were the explanations given at the time: [2] [3]. – Þjarkur (talk) 16:46, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

While I absolutely agree with Þjarkur about pipeweed, a more cogent reason why your addition was removed, Red Shield, is that it was unsourced. Wikipedia is not interested in what you - or I, or any random person on the Internet - knows, or thinks, or believes, unless this is backed up by a reliable published source. Please read about verifiability. --ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I am guessing then that I may insert this link as proof? Or do I have to get the Director and writer to send a formal letter about all the films listed? Here is the citation:-

[4]

Also, can we please discuss this on the talk page of the article instead of this hidden talk page? I would like other's feedback and explanations of why all the other films should not have citations to verify the fact.

Red Shield, you can cite the film to support the claim that a particular word is used in the script, yes (though not by linking to a copyright-violation, so somebody has removed the link). But that completely fails to support any particular claim as to the interpretation of the word (especially a contentious interpretation). --ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Red Shield Wayne, the fact the characters in the book/movie are calling what they're smoking "pipe-weed" does not prove they're talking about marijuana. The fact we call it 'weed' now does not mean that was what Tolkien intended or what the writers/directors of the film intended. You'd have to find someone specifically saying, "In the LotR films, the director intended modern audiences to believe that the pipeweed smoked by Hobbits was similar to marijuana." --valereee (talk) 18:30, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I've taken this back to the article talk page, as requested by the original poster --valereee (talk) 18:46, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

There is no copyright breach if it is just a small portion, that's why Youtube have it on there site and it has not been removed. But you don't seem to want to acknowledge their copyyright laws - which are the same as Wiki's. Anyway, small portions are not a breach of copyright, that's what they told me when I did a media law module in my law degree, so why remove it? And why is this conversation here? Why not on the discussion pages of the article where it ow belongs?

No one seems to want to look at the fact that in other films that weed is never mentioned, but the reference is clear. I shall not be discussing it here anymore, but on the page on the talk on the article. Also, watch the clip, Bilbo calls it "weed" not "pipe-weed" as you all misrepresent.

So the trolls in The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey are actually internet trolls because Tolkien used modern slang throughout his works? I think not. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:25, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh, and don't forget athelas, that "weed" with medicinal uses (wink wink nudge nudge). Clarityfiend (talk) 19:35, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

FWIW, Part 2 of the Prologue to the book The Lord of the Rings (originally to Volume One, The Fellowship of the Ring) is entitled Concerning Pipe-weed, which Tolkien describes as "a variety probably of Nicotiana." There is nothing whatever in the book(s) to suggest that pipe-weed is cannabis or has any of the properties of cannabis. An instance of one character in one of the derived film referring to it by the shorter term "weed" is no more significant than someone referring to tobacco as "baccy" (a common British English term). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.2.132 (talk) 02:10, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

The phrase "the dreaded weed" was commonly used by the generation born between the wars to refer to tobacco. I would suggest that Tolkein (1892 – 1973) writing between 1937 and 1949 is more likely to have this usage that the 1960s and later usage in mind. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:07, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Gandalf's description of the effects of the weed here [5] can be read as supportive of the molly-interpretation. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:40, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Concerning Pipe Weed: Simply tobacco, or something more? covers the topic pretty well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:46, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Super Bowl LVIII And New NFL TV Contracts

Super Bowl LVIII will likely air on CBS because their aring Super Bowl LV now but NBC can not air 2 Super Bowls in 3 Years so that would be selfish so that means they would air Super Bowl LIX Unless they decide to pair it again for the 2026 Winter Olympics for Super Bowl LX. So I Think in the next NFL TV contracts look for CBS to air Super Bowls LVIII, LXI and LXIV. Then NBC can swap Super Bowl LIX to Fox in exchange for Super Bowls LIX, LXII and LXV. And then Fox can swap with NBC for Super Bowl LX to pair it for the 2026 Winter Olympics in exchange for Super Bowls LX, LXIII and LXVI. I Think I Could Be Right About That. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 17:29, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi, 68.103.78.155 -- I'm not sure what you're asking? --valereee (talk) 18:13, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Since I don't follow games they play in foreign countries, I have no idea what you are talking about. But I don't see how this post is in the least appropriate to this page, which is about getting help in editing Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

pages in my watch list marked as visited

Twice today a page has come up on my watch list showing I visited it since the most recent change, when I definitely have not done so. Has anyone had this happen? --valereee (talk) 17:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

No 68.103.78.155 (talk) 17:38, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@Valereee: Yes, see section above and Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Watchlist not being marked read. Eagleash (talk) 17:44, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Eagleash, thanks! Very weird --valereee (talk) 18:32, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Please revert this vandalism

Please can someone revert this edit to Adele. I've just tried a couple of times to do it myself, but it apparently contains a link to a blacklisted website so Wikipedia's software won't let me revert it. Cheers, This is Paul (talk) 18:20, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Have reverted and removed the offending link (awardsandwinners.com) – Þjarkur (talk) 18:25, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 18:26, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Chlorous anhydride article

Hi,

I've been going through Special:BrokenRedirects and Special:DoubleRedirects and on the Double Redirect section I've come across a double redirect Chlorous anhydride article which isn't an article just a redirect to Chlorous anhydride and then another redirect to Chlorous anhydride WTF! What's the protocol for this type of redirect? Could an admin have a look at it and delete those articles which only includes redirect links I was going to place a G8 deletion request but not sure on this situation. Also according to the history log only one user had edited/created the said articles for some reason and hadn't done anything to it since those redirect links and its clogging up the DoubleRedirect page. Regards ImpWarfare (talk) 19:34, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

This circular redirect should probably be deleted. Ruslik_Zero 19:40, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

What template should I use for situations like this? I originally thought it would be the G8 template but not sure. ImpWarfare (talk) 19:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

ImpWarfare If a redirect isn't a clear-cut candidate for speedy deletion, we take it to Redirects for discussion to seek the opinions of others: Bhunacat10 (talk), 07:21, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll try and remember this in the future as I wasn't aware. ImpWarfare (talk) 18:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Aldgate

Aldgate in South Australia is a town, not a suburb of Adelaide — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ 2001:8003:a034:7f00:e14e:5766:8ea8:4d55 (talk • contribs) 4 May 2019 22:10 (UTC)

Thank you for noting, but be aware that the appropriate place to mention the oversight is on the Talk page of the article with the error.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:41, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

The opening sentence of Aldgate, South Australia states "Aldgate is a South Australian town and suburb of Adelaide". There is a source in the article for this statement. Eagleash (talk) 22:48, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

The source for that is not the most reliable though, being reports of real estate agents' comments. It refers to Aldgate as a "Hills suburb", which leads me to wonder whether they were conflating Adelaide suburbs with the Adelaide Hills region. Other towns in the Hills region, such as Mount Barker which is the largest, are not refered to as Adelaide suburbe. This question has already been raised at Talk:Aldgate, South Australia and if it can't be resolved there you might like to refer to WikiProject Australia.--Gronk Oz (talk) 04:04, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

A bit more research - the LGA.SA government web site here lists the Adelaide Hills LGA as being part of "Metropolitan Adelaide". So Aldgate is a suburb in the Adelaide Hills LGA, which in turn is in Adelaide Metro. That sounds to me like it qualifies as being a suburb of Adelaide.--Gronk Oz (talk) 04:34, 5 May 2019 (UTC)