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March 6

article vandalized

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_Arab_sheep

Please read and correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.130.93.140 (talk) 00:47, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

 Fixed Thanks for pointing this out. L3X1 My Complaint Desk 00:55, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

James Matthews (racing driver)

At the bottom of the page - the red words appear - Ivan Arias - there are no links at all to him anywhere. Please fix - remove. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srbernadette (talk • contribs) 01:13, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

There are links to Ivan Arias, and he appears to be a legitimate redlink. DuncanHill (talk) 01:27, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The redlink is there to indicate that the 'subject' may be worthy of a Wikipedia article. As a winner of a national, but not top level, championship this person is possibly only borderline notable though. Please read WP:RED for more information about redlinks. Eagleash (talk) 01:33, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

James Matthews (racing driver)

I am so sorry. I tried to take off the red name - as he was deemed "borderline" by Eagleash - a respected editor. But I have stuffed it all up. Please fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srbernadette (talk • contribs) (01:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. DuncanHill (talk) 01:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Fallacy of copyright

Dear Sirs, I was amazed to find out, when wanting to post a bio of George Maurice Cloud. When a warnign came up to delete my post as copywritten by the Paillon Gallery. I am G Maurice Cloud oldest son and sole heir to the estate. Papillon was only used to sell some of his work, as of today they have no right to any of G Maurice Cloud artwork. I want this copywrite infrigement to stop immediately. I am ready to sue Wikipedia to prevent the real owner of the estate to promote G Maurice Cloud work. Philip Lemarque — Preceding unsigned comment added by Partoutati (talk • contribs) 04:43, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello Partoutati. First off, Wikipedia has a clear policy against legal threats, which you can find here. I would suggest that you remove the text about being ready to sue from this page. That said, I think you are misunderstanding why the page was deleted. Text on Wikipedia need to be under a free license, so that anyone can reuse the text for any purpose. This means that text that is not explicitly under a free license cannot be copied to Wikipedia, as doing so is a copyright violation. The text of your article was taken from this page on Papillon's website. Since that website is not under a free license, copying text from it onto Wikipedia is a copyright violation, and that is why the page was deleted. This action says nothing about any rights to Cloud's artwork; the issue is the license of the text on the Papillon website. If you wish to recreate the article about Cloud, you should do so in your own words, and base the article off of reliable, independent sources such as newspapers, magazines, or art books. You can use the Article wizard to help you create a draft article. I hope this helps clarify why the page was deleted. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 04:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Partoutati, just to add to that. First, you must remove your legal threat, or you will be blocked. Secondly, if you think that Papillon is infringing your copyright without consent, you must resolve that with them, we can only only go by what we see there. Thirdly, as stated above, whoever owns the copyright, the text cannot be used here unless it is made explicit that it is free to use for any purpose, including commercial. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:24, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Partoutati also you should not write about your father since you have a conflict of interest, and you will not be allowed to "promote" his work as you wish, see WP:NOTADVERTISING Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:29, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Account now blocked by Orangemike Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:26, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Rebranding of Progressive Digital Media

Hi,

Progressive Digital Media has gone through a rebranding and corporate Merger. As of February Progressive Digital Media is now known as GlobalData. I would like to go about updating this transition on our wiki page. Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.griffiths.globaldata (talk • contribs) 10:12, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello, M.griffiths.globaldata. Your assistance in updating that article is welcome, but because of your conflict of interest you need to be very circumspect about how to do this. (You also probably need to make a declaration according to WP:PAID.) Reading the links I have given above, you can see that the best way for you to contribute to this article will be to make suggestions on the article's talk page. The more specific you can make the suggestions (eg "Please replace this text ... by this text ..."), and the better references you can provide for them (preferably to sources independent of the company) the more likely it is that somebody will pick up your suggestions and apply them. It is a good idea to add {{edit request}} (with the double curly brackets) to the beginning or end of your suggestion: this will put it on a list of edits awaiting consideration. If the logo has changed, similarly, suggest an update with a URL where the new logo can be found. --ColinFine (talk) 13:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

MfD

As part of a fairly large clear up of a blocked editor's userpages as WP:NOTWEBHOST I experimented with placing {{mfd|GroupName}} at the top of one of the pages (without saving it). I then 'previewed the page and clicked on the link to 'this page's entry' which took me here, redirected from Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/GroupName. This is a bit too much toward the 'oily bits' of Wiki for me, but something is seemingly not right here? Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 11:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• PrimeHunter deleted the redirect as I was typing here, but apparently someone erroneously had placed the MfD for the EAP portal at that location back in 2012. Consequently, the page was moved to the correct place and a {{R from move}} was left afterwards. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:39, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
• {{mfd|GroupName}} is used as example text in instructions where GroupName is supposed to be replaced by a name for a group of pages a user wants deleted. Another editor had kept "GroupName" and created the resulting page but then moved it to a proper name, leaving an inappropriate redirect. I have deleted the redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I have clarified the instructions.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 12:49, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks all. I had figured out the group name would be replaced with something appropriate... I hadn't got that far though...it was just when I saw the anomaly, it obviously needed sorting (and the instruction clarification is a good thing). Eagleash (talk) 13:09, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Albert Kitson, 2nd Baron Airedale

Ref 13 is no good. I did not do this ref. Maybe put it in the "also see" list. Thanks 101.182.96.231 (talk) 11:47, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

There is no ref 13, that I can see. Please clarify. Eagleash (talk) 11:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry - I meant ref number 12. Maybe it could go in a "further reading" footnote.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.96.231 (talk) 12:03, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Musicbot

Hello, Musicbot drafted this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Martti_Rosenblatt Now it is in evaluation for deleting. How long will this evaluation last? The page it self has references and the info is valid. Will it be deleted anyways?

Regards, Martti — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsisbtiis (talk • contribs) 12:40, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• That page is part of a giant Wikipedia-internal mess that you probably do not want to learn too much about. The short story is that one user created numerous articles about living persons without checking carefully the information they added; some of them included libelous accusations, some of which were deleted on sight but volunteers were overworked to properly check all of those article creations. Because they were still not complete rubbish, it was decided decided that (rather than mass-deleting them) those articles should be "quarantined" and evaluated before being retained or deleted. Musikbot, an automated account operated by MusikAnimal, was used to move that giant heap of articles into the "draft" space; it did not write anything of substance in any article.

You could proceed to the "evaluation" yourself if you are careful enough. See User:Aymatth2/SvG_clean-up/Guidelines for how to proceed to move the article into mainspace if you have checked all information to be both correct and supported by the references. If you cannot move the page because your account is too recent, you can list it at WP:RM#TR as a technical request. If I understand that link correctly, on April 24, the articles gets deleted by default (if none has come around to checking them).

Also, Wikipedia discourages editing pages about yourself, your company, your relatives etc. - see WP:COI - but removing false information about you, or on the contrary providing reliable sources backing up claims of the article, is totally OK. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:07, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

By the way: hello, Tsisbtiis, and welcome to Wikipedia! Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:08, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Multiple vandalism by ip# 72.226.7.89 regarding subjects family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Eurell

IP#72.226.7.89 has vandalized the above page multiple times, regarding subjects family.

A car accident the subjects wife was involved in 25 years after the case information is not relevant to the page in any way, shape or form.

This is clearly being done to personally attack a family member of the subject page.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.244.82.164 (talk)

Thanks for pointing this out. I have removed the BLP violation (spouse / family member privacy) and opened a TALK PAGE discussion. It is clear the incident has nothing to do with the subject - it is not notable - and speculatively an attack edit. Maineartists (talk) 14:08, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

References

Article move question

I found an article that once existed under two different names (A & B). A was the better article and B was at the correct name, so A was moved over to B (over 5 years ago). The old version of B still exists on a sub-Talk page. Should this be kept around or should I take it to MFD? MB 14:59, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I'd say take it to MfD. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Progressive Digital Media rebrand merger

Hi Colin,

Thanks for your help. I have updated information about this article. Should I post the edits here on the help page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.griffiths.globaldata (talk • contribs) 15:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• I am going to assume you want to talk to ColinFine. To attract the attention of a particular editor, you can use WP:PING (I just did that); for this to work, you also need to sign your post. You may want to talk "in private" with them at User talk:ColinFine (user talk pages can be seen by everyone, but it is usually the place to go when you want a one-on-one conversation with a particular editor). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:42, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, M.griffiths.globaldata. Rather than starting a new section for a reply to an existing comment, please edit the section of this page where the existing discussion is. You can indent your reply by starting with one or more colons (I have started this reply with one colon, so it is indented one step). To answer your question - no, post your suggestions in a new section on the article's talk page Talk:Progressive Digital Media. --ColinFine (talk) 20:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Contributing a picture for a bio on wikipedia

Hello, I would like to contribute with missing bio images on wikipedia. Can I use images found on the internet that are widespread and used if the person is a personality on tv etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8806:6301:F800:D9DB:CF16:CA08:9AD8 (talk) 15:15, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Usually no. The fact that an image may be widely circulated on the internet, doesn't mean that it isn't covered under copyright, and is usually a pretty good indication that it actually is copyrighted. Using copyrighted images is only permitted if it very carefully complies with guidance at Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. But for the majority of cases, if the image isn't about a hundred years old, and you didn't take it yourself, it's probably not usable on Wikipedia. TimothyJosephWood 16:51, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• The short answer is no; if you have a specific image in mind, you can ask here though. Images of living persons on Wikipedia should be under a free license (some non-free images are allowed but for people WP:NFCC #1 is assumed to not be fullfilled as long as the person is alive and could be photographed) and, as a general rule, photographs in the press are copyrighted (at the end of the day, the newspaper paid the photographer to be able to use it, and both want that none else can use it - or at least not without paying).

Notice that in many jurisdictions there is a "public figure" exemption to privacy laws (saying for instance that I can take a photograph of Donald Trump at a public rally and distribute it without their consent) but it is not an exemption to copyright laws (which say basically that whoever took the picture can choose who can reuse it). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:01, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

progressive Digital Media rebrand and merger

Also, there is a new logo for the company. How would I attach this?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.griffiths.globaldata (talk • contribs) 15:16, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello again M.griffiths.globaldata. See my note a couple of sections above about starting a new section. I answered this question in my original reply above at #Rebranding of Progressive Digital Media. --ColinFine (talk) 21:02, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Generating references

Hello, a couple of years ago i remember using a website to create to help me generate cite web templates. I think that it used to be on tools.wmflabs.org/ but perhaps the tool have been removed? Anyone got a link? --Trade (talk) 16:35, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Take a look at Help:Citation tools--Moxy (talk) 16:38, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• Trade, it is hard to tell from your question, but you might be talking about the (excellent IMO) WP:reftoolbar which is a widget in the editing window. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:38, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

How to publish an Article in English on WP (a DRAFT of this article is already prepared on my SandBox)

RE : How to publish an Article in English on WP (a DRAFT of this article is already prepared on my SandBox)

Hello , I prepared the following draft of an article in English on Thomson brand for publishing on WP. Please see its contents here : here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:User:Moamoa17/sandbox Could you please explain and provide me the appropriate guidance, on how could I get this article in English to be published on WP? Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards Moamoa17 —Preceding undated comment added 16:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

User:Moamoa17/sandbox appears to be an attempt to translate from the French article fr:Thomson_(marque), but you have not provided attribution to the source. You need to read Wikipedia:Translation and Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Translating from other language Wikimedia projects. You have apparently copied and translated the rendered text rather than the wikisource, hence you have included things like "[edit | Change the code]" but you haven't maintained the links of the references to the text which they were being used to reference; you need to read Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Please don't ask the same question in more than one place, Moamoa17: David Biddulph has answered you here, and I have answered you at the Teahouse. Our answers are quite different (but both valid). --ColinFine (talk) 21:04, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Gillette Mach3

the GilletteMach3 was designed by me and sent to the UN on an audiotape the spring in the razor was my design also where the hinge is located and I designed ultrasoundcooking on audiotape to dutchparliament after two days ultrasoundbreastcancercooking came on nosjournaal on tv my design for a motor that doesn't drink and ultrasoundheating mach3 designed by jean-paul Wassen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.84.80.40 (talk) 17:59, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations? TimothyJosephWood 18:16, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Albert Kitson, 2nd Baron Airedale

Please help and apologies. I have failed when trying to add 2 books to the "Further reading" section on this page. It is all wrong . please fix if at all possible. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 21:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done: You don't need the ref tags (<ref></ref>) when adding a publication to the 'reading' section. Eagleash (talk) 22:02, 6 March 2017 (UTC)