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October 10

Juno

I typed "Juno" into the search, but id didn't come up with Juno (disambiguation) or the actual disambig page Juno. That makes it hard to get to the disambig page. (1) Is there a way to make one of them show up in the search? (2) Should Juno be moved to Juno (disambiguation)? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 01:47, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be fine. Perhaps try clearing your browser's cache? Rwessel (talk) 02:26, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to the drop-down autosuggestions below the search box before you perform the actual search by pressing Enter or clicking the search icon? The autosuggestions are made automatically by the software and not controlled by the editors. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:43, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the drop-down below the search. I often use that to look for a main article or a disambig page. But in this case, neither shows up in the drop-down list - making it harder to find the disambig page. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:51, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

This has frustrated me in the past as well. As disambiguation pages are the "index" for a subject, can't the software be altered to put them at the top of the drop-down? or second if there is a page on the actual subject? Arjayay (talk) 08:23, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Probably. This conversation may be better at WP:VPT since that's a better place for technical issues. That said, I normally get around such issues by typing the word I'm looking for followed by a left parenthesis, such as Juno (. That one character will pull up the disambiguation page, normally near the top of the results. Dismas|^(talk) 10:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

And in many articles they take out the link to the disambig page at the top of the article because "anyone that finds this is looking specifically for this". If you are typing it in, that is true; but if you are using the drop-down search it is not. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 14:27, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

new topic

Let me know how to post my new write up, a profile on a public figure, on the Wikipedia for public view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarma Sastrigal (talk • contribs) 03:32, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

No "please" or "thank you"? Go to...(wait for it, wait for it...) WP:AfC. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Sarma. Your use of the word "profile", and the fact that your account was created today, makes me think you might not be quite familiar with how Wikipedia works. Forgive me if you already understand this, but Wikipedia doesn't have profiles: it has articles. The difference as I see it is that a profile will usually be written by, or with the approval of, the subject. Wikipedia articles do not require the approval of the subject, and sometimes contain things that the subject would not want included (for example, if they have been criticised in the press). On the other hand articles (and especially articles about living people) should be entirely based on reliable published sources and may not contain any promotional languages. If you haven't already read your first article, I recommend you do so before proceeding. --ColinFine (talk) 14:25, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

BACKLOG OF THE WEEK Category:Pages with broken reference names

Hello. Some editors often fight off the vandal hordes, as I do repairing pages with citation errors. If I didn't - there would be a large backlog in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting and in Category:Pages with missing references list as in Category:Pages with broken reference names (more than 1500 yesterday). But it is impossible to work it alone. Do you know how to do a "Blitz" (excuse the comparision) to find willing editors to work on it. It is much more easier to repair references if you do it one hour, one day or one week ago after the errors were made instead of months and years after the error was done. Very, very difficult to find these errors.

Only with WikiBlame Search it is possible to find and repair such errors.

@Redrose64:

Best wishes --Frze ^{> talk} 05:32, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Have you looked at collaborating with members of a related WikiProject? Something like Wikipedia:WikiProject Citation cleanup might be a starting point. Karenjc (talk) 07:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Chembox

I have just created an article on a chemical compound, indolyl-3-acryloylglycine, and I can't get the chembox to appear, and I was hoping someone could tell me what I did wrong. This, by the way, is the first chemistry article I have ever created, so I don't really have much experience in working with chemboxes. Jinkinson talk to me 16:36, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I've fixed it for you for now; the line | IUPACName = 2-[[(E)-3-(1H-indol-3-yl)prop-2-enoyl]amino]acetic acid has been corrupted, in that the link doesn't feature the required ]] to close it. As I'm not sure what it should say, I've commented it out, but it'll need fixing by someone who knows what it should say, like you. I hope this helps.  drewmunn  talk  17:25, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

How to add a title to my article

Hi, I would like to add a title to my article, but I haven't found a way to do it.

I tried this: {{PAGENAME TITLE}} but it just added this text to my article.

At the moment the article title is user:duncanmccloud...

Thanks Duncan

Your question doesn't make sense. User pages such as User:DuncanMcCloud do not have article titles, they have the title User:ACCOUNTNAME. --erachima talk 17:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

So how does the page eventually take on a specific title once it has been approved? I submitted an article under a different account and it was marked to be reviewed but nothing has happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.232.65.207 (talk) 17:07, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I took a screenshot of my page, it would be easier to discuss if I could send it via email... — Preceding unsigned comment added by GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER (talk • contribs) 17:09, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

No, you don't need to email anything to anyone. I can see from this username's contributions that the draft you are referring to is in the User sandbox - User:GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER/sandbox. You have in fact not submitted it to AFC at all, you merely wrote about doing it. To actually do the submission you need to write {{subst:submit}} on the page - at the top is preferred. Hope this helps. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I also looked for User:Duncanmccloud and User:DuncanMcCloud, which are both empty. User:GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER does have something about a South African sweet called tameletjie. Is it one of these pages you are asking about, or the sandbox that Rodger found (the two are pretty much the same)? If not, it would be easier if you told us the URL of the page. If you really want to use the screenshot, upload it to an image hosting site and tell us the URL of that page.

It would also be easier if you stuck to one login name (unless you really are three different people). Astronaut (talk) 17:18, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

No, you don't need to email anything to anyone. I can see from this username's contributions that the draft you are referring to is in the User sandbox - User:GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER/sandbox. You have in fact not submitted it to AFC at all, you merely wrote about doing it. To actually do the submission you need to write {{subst:submit}} on the page - at the top is preferred. Hope this helps. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

(after edit conflict)I think that User:DuncanMcCloud is trying to create an article using his user page as a sandbox. However, he didn't do it under that user account, or failed to save the edit. You can email me using the "email this user" function you like, Duncan, but as Roger (Dodger67) there is no need to. Here are some thoughts and info.

Every page has a name, which is also the title for article pages. A page's name is changed with the Move function. there is no need to insert a template to indicate the name. I advise that you use the Articles for creation process to create a draft of an article and have it reviewed by an experienced editor. Failing that, create a page with a name like User:DuncanMcCloud/Article Name and work on your draft there, and ask an experienced editor to review it if you can, once you have the basic contents in place. That editor will move or help you move the article to the proper location if it seems acceptable. DES ^(talk) 17:21, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

thanks all, it makes more sense now, I created another account thinking the name of the all-caps account was the cause for my article not being reviewed. So do I then submit my article for review and only after that can my article receive a title? Or do I paste User:DuncanMcCloud/Tameletjie at the top of my wiki text to give a title to my article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER (talk • contribs) 17:30, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I have submitted an article via AFC, but how do I add Tameletjie right at the top of the article above the intro? User:GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER —Preceding undated comment added 18:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

You don't. It will be done by the reviewer who aproves it - by moving the article to the Tameletjie page. BTW the stuff described in the article is NOTHING like the tameletjie I know. It is fruit based. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I think there are different interpretations. Although a Malay person made it for us the way she knew it. I knew them as being completely clear like glass and extremely hard. Thanks for all the help!GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Changing username

How do I make a change to my username — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.79.37.231 (talk) 17:23, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Changing username. Dru of Id (talk) 17:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

CS errors caused by ISBN's

Just wondering if there is a preference or general agreement on fixing CS errors for ISBN... many pages have |isbn=3110134179, 9783110134179 or |isbn=3110134179 |isbn13=9783110134179, both of which cause an error. I am open to suggestions as to how to fix this, maybe with a template change.

Also, is there a preference or general agreement on which ISBN to list if both 10- and 13-digit numbers are available?

Quebec99 (talk) 18:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Use the 13-digit version if available - never both! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:39, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

More accurately, works published prior to 2007 should use the 10-digit version, because that is what such works would have been originally assigned. But it doesn't greatly matter, because there is a one-for-one correspondance. Any ISBN-10 can be uniquely converted to an ISBN-13, and any ISBN-13 (until we run out of 978- numbers, at least) can be uniquely converted to an ISBN-10. But I agree, never list both. However when there are multiple editions of a book, multiple ISBNs might be listed, but surely not in a single citation template. DES ^(talk) 19:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. Quebec99 (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

List of Malayalam films of 2013

a small mistake wiki,please change the mistyped month, actually it is OCTOBER not OCYOBER

regards' sarathnt --Sarathnt (talk) 19:08, 10 October 2013 (UTC)--Sarathnt (talk) 19:08, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top.
The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). DES ^(talk) 19:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed [1]. Dru of Id (talk) 19:12, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Adding References

I am trying to add more references to my article and it is saying that I do not have {{reflist}} at the top but I do. How do I fix this?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Melissa jf893 (talk • contribs)

The {{reflist}} part goes at the bottom, below a header that says "references" or something of the sort. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Fixed here. Dismas|^(talk) 21:40, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Robin Bigsnake

I was freading the article on Robin Bigsnake. He was not charged with impaired driving causing death. Please remove this from your page as he was cleared of all charges. We will proceed further if this is not taken down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.174.134.181 (talk) 19:55, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look if you quit making what appear to be legal threats. Bit of kindness will get you far. Threats will get you blocked. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

The article is reliably sourced and i can find nothing online about Robin Big Snake being cleared of any or all charges. Can anyone else? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:21, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Even if he was cleared, he was still charged, and that is sourced. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

However, if he was cleared, and that fact is reliably sourced, it should be added. [[[WP:NLT|Do not make legal threats]]] in Wikipedia. If you want a fact added to an article, provide a reliable source rather than making demands. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:27, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I think that there is a genuine WP:BLP problem here - The article states, with sources, that Big Snake was charged in 2010. And just leaves the statement hanging there. This is far from satisfactory, and I'd suggest that unless a source can be found which tells us the outcome of these charges, we should seriously consider removing the relevant paragraph, per WP:BLPCRIME. I've had a quick search online, and can't find anything myself, but maybe someone else will have more luck. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:18, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I've deleted the paragraph on Mr. TheGrump's recommendation. I couldn't find any published record about the outcome, be it conviction or dropped charges. Having read WP:BLPCRIME policy, I think I agree that it doesn't seem necessary to include the information. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:15, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikiproject Japan?

Is there a Japanese wikiproject on English Wikipedia? I need to link EarthStar.jp to a film named "State of Emergency" to prove they are a distributor. I've tried Google Translate with no luck. The film may be called "Last 4" in Japan, according to the IMDB. I don't read Japanese so i'm looking for someone who can or can link the film and distributor above. Thanks a bunch ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 21:30, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan. Dismas|^(talk) 23:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I'm still not very good at searching for Wikiprojects...ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I also have trouble looking for specific WikiProjects. The closest I have found is Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory. XOttawahitech (talk) 13:45, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Uploading Images

Hello, I still have a problem with inserting images. I'm doing an article and I have a photo that has been sent to me by the subject of the article, so I do not 'own' the photo but the sender of the photo does. But this person wants me to post his/her photo in the article about them and to put the photo in the public domain. I would like to see simple steps that Wikipedia will accept for me to be able to insert such an image into my article(s). Bwisok (talk) 21:52, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello there Bwisok - just need to look over Help:Introduction to uploading images - then use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard - if you still have questions just ask us again. -- Moxy (talk) 22:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, no. You must have the owner (the subject presumably) send this form authorizing the release in the public domain. ~Charmlet ^-talk- 23:08, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, the copyright owner is the photographer, not the subject, unless it was a work-made-for-hire by a phototgrapher who is a regular employee, or the photographer had a contract specifically granting copyright to the subject or the person who commissioned the photo, or the photographer later sold the copyright. None of thse is common, the photographer owns the copyright in most cases. Charmlet is correct that the copyright owner must fill out and send in the consent form, or otherwise publish the photo under a free license (CC-BY-SA or otherwise compatible with Wikipedia). DES ^(talk) 23:18, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

To summarise the advice above: go to Wikipedia:Permissions#When_permission_is_confirmed. Follow the process in that paragraph to upload the picture, get the copyright holder to send the email confirming permission using the form of words Charmlet mentioned, then put the OTRS pending tag on the image's page, which alerts volunteers to the fact that the permission for this particular image is on its way and reduces the risk of deletion. When the permission has been received and checked, somebody will change the tag on the photo to confirm that it is properly licensed. You can then insert it into your article. -Karenjc (talk) 07:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)