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February 18

Erroneous photo caption of Bishop Emmett Michael Walsh with president Truman

The photo caption of president Truman, Bishop Walsh et.al notes that Bishop Walsh is fourth from the right behind the judge. Actually, he is fifth from the left (wearing glasses). How do I know? I am his cousin

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Dr. Robert M. Gehlken--68.48.62.232 (talk) 03:49, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

According to the photo's information page the people shown are (left to right)

1. Miss Anna Lord Strauss;
2. unidentified man;
3. Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz;
4. the President;
5. Chief Justice Bolitha J. Laws of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia (administering the oath);
6. Most Rev. Emmet M. Walsh, Coadjutor Bishop of Youngstown;
7. Rt. Rev. Karl Morgan, Episcopal Bishop of California;
8. unidentified man.

The fifth from the left is not wearing a clerical collar nor glassses. Maybe you are counting differently. Counting from the right is more difficult, it is not clear how many photographers to include. Maproom (talk) 08:14, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Karl Morgan is 6th, not 7th from left per image here. That makes Emmet M. Walsh 7th from left, and I revised the article here and fixed the commons caption here. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 09:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Removing Table Of Contents

Hi, is it possible to make sections of an article not appear in the table of content's? If you click here you will see the table of contents includes what is inside the 'This is the title text' box. How can I get the table of contents to exclude what is in the box?--Dom497 (talk) 04:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

What you'd want is a "magic word", and I don't see anything like this at Help:Magic words. Nyttend (talk) 04:19, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

So is it possible to get one added?--Dom497 (talk) 04:21, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

You could fake section headers so they would not be recognized in the table of contents. For example:

This is not really a section header

---

though it look like one, huh? Also, if you use a lower level section header, say three equal signs, you can hide it from display using {{TOC limit|2}} --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:21, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Although that has the weakness of missing an [edit] link. I don't believe magic words can be added by us, since it's a software thing; you'd have to ask the developers for that. I think doing that requires you to file it as a bug with Bugzilla. Nyttend (talk) 12:42, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I was edit-conflicted out of mentioning "TOC limit" yesterday, but I think that's the ideal solution here. "TOC limit" does not result in a missing [edit] link. Its only effect is on the visual display of the TOC. -Thibbs (talk) 15:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

My personal view on TOC_limit is that if you have to use it the article has far too many levels of subheadings. For most articles sections with two levels of subsections should be sufficient, otherwise it gets confusing and messy.--ukexpat (talk) 15:29, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

In this case it would being used to hide material from the TOC, though. There's no reason the page has to be confusing or messy. In the scenario I'm imagining, the deeply subsectioned portions would only be used as anchors for linking and wouldn't show up on the TOC. There needn't be any more than a handful of subsections including the deep ones. -Thibbs (talk) 15:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks!--Dom497 (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Bridgewater, South Australia

see Bridgewater, South Australia's infobox.--淺藍雪 (talk) 05:08, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for reporting it. RudolfRed (talk) 05:14, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Alter page

Hello, I was reading the page about Quinton Kynston school and there is a factual error. I was a very un-willing pupil there from 1964 untill I walked out in 1969. The headmaster listed left at christmass 1964 and his deputy, Caterling took over. He was head when I waked out in 1969. We had no school uniform and it was not a tecnical, it was just a school. I am sorry that I am doing it this way. In the 44 years since then I have become a Grade 3 Serial Epileptic with PTSD from my service as an attendant at the House of Commoms. I there for do not understand your method of editing a page and I can no longer spell. My E-maill addresse is, XXXX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.61.50 (talk) 06:18, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about the articlle Quintin Kynaston Community Academy? That says the school became a Technology College in 2001, long after your time there. That appears to be correct according to the sources cited. If you have other concerns about the article, you should raise them at the article's talk page. I've removed your email address to save you from being spammed. Rojomoke (talk) 06:37, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I think the factual error OP wants addressed is that Caterling was headteacher from 1964 until at least 1969 and the Wikipedia article does not say that. I'll see if I can find any sourcing that will all us to add that to the Quintin Kynaston Community Academy article. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 08:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

A quick search online google archives, official website did not turn up anything. The information is old, so it might not be online and Caterling might not be spelled correctly per OPs initial post. It would help to have a first name of Caterling. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 08:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I've had a quick look through the school history page here but sadly it doesn't go into that amount of detail: it names names, but not all of them. I'm not sure how this can be taken forward. It's particularly awkward because of the merge and name changes. If I find anything (frankly not that likely) I will report back. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:55, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Looking for Wiki Editor to do Wiki on my website

Hello i seen on the wiki submission page i personally cannot write a article about my own company and what i do for independent and unsigned musicians and bands, so it said to find someone on here who can do it for me. The site i need a wiki on is

Chicago Music Promotions http://www.chicagomusicpromotions.com

The site has great reviews on yelp, and other social platforms, we have done many local events including festivals and talent shows, the site has been around since 2005 its been the only major outlet for consumers and music fans to find local talent and djs.

Respectfully Matthew Nalett (talk) 08:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.170.226 (talk) 09:28, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Even if someone else wrote the article, the subject (your business) would still need to be notable enough to warrant an article. For businesses, the notability standards are at WP:CORP. Can you say that your business meets these qualifications? Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 11:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

• If you are aware of newspaper articles, magazine articles, or books that have written about chicagomusicpromotions.com, you can use those links in a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:16, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Different Person

Hi

I have modified a date on wikipedia and I want to add the respective reference page; but I am not able to...

Kindly advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josephmaan (talk • contribs) 09:36, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

You seem to be referring to Michel Aoun. I have no idea what tayyar.org is but considering that Aoun was an officer with the Lebanese Army, I'd tend to believe them when they say what his birth date is. Therefore, I have reverted your changes which, by the way, also broke a template at the bottom of the page. As for references, please see WP:Referencing for beginners. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 11:04, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

changes on page of 1(German/Netherlands) Corps

I have just updated / corrected info on 1 (German/Netherlands) Corps. There are several boxes, though, that I do not manage to correct. The same applies for the profile text, which does not read our correct unit's name. It should be 1(German/Netherlands)Corps. Could you pls advise me how to do this.

Thx in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chiefpublicaffairs (talk • contribs) 10:13, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Please discuss this on the article's talk page. Britmax (talk) 11:08, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Pictures

How do I create a picture with the caption in the centre at the bottom of the image and the list underneath (birth name, birth place so on...) and what is the text or coding I would have to use? RVvDtink (talk) 11:28, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

You seem to be referring to an infobox. You can find more info about infoboxes at that link. Which infobox you use is going to depend on what you're writing about. For instance, if you're writing about a person, you might use Template:Infobox person. But be aware that there are special infoboxes depending on the occupation of a person such as models, athletes, etc. Dismas|^(talk) 11:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

i do not know how to edit a headline

i went to a site to find the results of the 2012 general elections in bermuda. the headline is bermudan general elctions. the correct spelling of the adjectival form of bermuda is bermudian. that is, there is an "i" in the adjectival name. (just like a person from canada is called a canadian; not a canadan.)the content of the article has the correct spelling. how do i edit the headline? Aminorsbda (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

When you say that you went to "a site", do you mean one of the articles here at Wikipedia? Are you referring to the title of the article, i.e. what is displayed in big bold letters at the top of the article? If so, then the article must be moved to its correct spelling. It would help greatly if you told us which article you're referring to. Dismas|^(talk) 13:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the article should be renamed, as the articles Bermudian dollar and Bermudian pound also use Bermudian rather than Bermudan and the infobox at Bermuda also gives the demonym as Bermudian. Maybe all articles in Category:Elections in Bermuda should be renamed in this fashion. You can rename an article by simply moving it to the new title as pointed out by Dismas. You can do it yourself if you like, but if you do, be prepared to explain to other editors why you are making this change. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:43, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

No User:Aminorsbda cannot move the article themselves, as they are not WP:autoconfirmed - Arjayay (talk) 15:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

There are a number of pages that will need to be moved if this is accepted; I'd suggest filing a move request for all of the in one place (maybe Talk:Bermudan general election, 2012). Whilst "Bermudian" seems to be preferred by inhabitants of Bermuda, "Bermudan" is widely used in English and may be the more common spelling. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:50, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

The most commonly used is irrelevant. Under WP:ENGVAR, this clearly falls under the subsection "Strong national ties to a topic" (WP:TIES) so should use the English of that nation. - Arjayay (talk) 15:42, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

• For the curious, OED: "Bermudian adj Of or pertaining to the Bermudas or their inhabitants. Bermudian rig n. a rig for a yacht, carrying a high tapering sail, called a Bermudian mainsail. So Bermudian-rigged adj., fitted with a rig and sail of this kind" and "Bermudian n. An inhabitant of the Bermudas; a Bermudian ship; a Bermudian-rigged ship." whilst (confusingly) The Times Style and Usage Guide (2003): "Bermudian, not Bermudan; but a Bermudan-rigged boat" --Senra (talk) 16:00, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
• Even curiouser, many adjectivals are formed by the suffix -ian such as Lancastrian (from Lancashire), Mancunian (from Manchester), Novocastrian (from Newcastle) and, erm, Yorkie Yorkshireman (from Yorkshire). Bermudan would be odd in {{British English}} --Senra (talk) 16:16, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Just as a comparison, a google search of bermudian on site in .bm gives 239,000 hits, bermudan less than 2000. I'm good with a change in the article names.Naraht (talk) 21:47, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Move request done at Talk:Bermudan general election, 2012Naraht (talk) 22:33, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

this page is inaccurate

Frank Farrelly

content is inaccurate, description is inaccurate. work was extremely controversial yet none of this is mentioned. Omission also of biographical details, early life, personal life. Article slanted to the positive, omitting the negative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.88.245.254 (talk) 14:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I added it to WP:BLPN. The wise ones there can probably bring it up to our standards.--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Wikipedia is a volunteer-based encyclopedia where editors donate their time to write and improve articles. Anyone can join, and everyone is encouraged to help edit the articles to improve their quality. So if you see an article that needs work, please feel free to boldly make changes to it. Articles can be edited by clicking the "edit" tab at the top of the page and then edits can be saved by clicking the "Save page" button at the bottom after the edit is completed. It's important to remember that all content must be based on reliable sources, and information must be presented neutrally. This sometimes means presenting both sides of a controversial topic. If you need further help please ask here again. -Thibbs (talk) 15:07, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Netaji Palkar wrongly edited - Died information

Hello,

Just wanted to let know team that information of Netaji palkars death is wrongly edited. there in no such district in Karnataka "Raigad". it in Maharashtra. Request you to confirm and change. below is the Link of ur page where mistak is done. Please go to below link and correct the mistake.

Netaji Palkar

Thanks and regards, Ravindra Kumbhar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.94.20.7 (talk) 17:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out. All the information in the infobox was added by an anonymous user about a year ago, and as you say the place of death seems to be nonexistent. As I haven't found a reference which mentions his place of death, I have simply removed it.

Wikipedia is the Encyclopaedia that anybody may edit, so you could have removed it yourself; or even better, if you have a reliable source which gives the correct place of his death, you could add that. In fact, if you have reliable sources for any of the information in the article, you could add citations, as the article is woefully lacking in references.

Resolved

--ColinFine (talk) 23:37, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Watchlist question

i just came back after being away for a few days and i have two new option on my watchlist patroller edits and wikidata what are theses?Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 21:00, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

You can learn more about patrolled pages at WP:NPPLOG, and you can learn about WikiData at WP:WDATA. -Thibbs (talk) 00:51, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Regarding, Jonathan Smeeton, British Lighting Designer. Which just so happens to be myself.

I'd rather like to apply a picture (head shot) And update the currently working information and something more in the worked for item. Just so happens to be Diana Ross, loads of theatre, Babyface and soon Beatlemania in Spain. How do I go about this? Can you help please.

Best regards, Jonathan Smeeton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smeeton (talk • contribs) 21:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Jonathan, and thanks for asking. The answer is in two rather different parts.

With regard to a photo, Wikipedia is always glad to accept photos which are relevant to articles; but be aware that in order to be used a photo must be either public domain or explicitly released by the copyright owner under a licence compatible with Wikipedia, allowing the material to be used for any purpose, commercial or not. See WP:Donating copyright materials for more information.

With regard to the content of the article, the situation is a bit different, because of the requirement that all articles are required to be written in a neutral tone and not promotional: people who are close to the subject, because of their conflict of interest, are likely to find it hard to write in an acceptable way. While we would welcome your suggestions for how the article might be improved, you are strongly discouraged from editing the article yourself, and should instead make your suggestions on the article's talk page, for uninvolved editors to decide what changes to make in the article. You should also be aware that, particularly for biographies of living people, all information in the article should be referenced to reliable sources, independent of the subject: material from your own knowledge, or private archives, is not acceptable unless it has appeared in a published reliable source. --ColinFine (talk) 23:52, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I would also point our that the Jonathan Smeeton article currently lacks any independent references – the only reference is to his own website. Without third-party references that establish its subject's notability, the article is in danger of being deleted. So, while a headshot would certainly improve the article, Mr. Smeeton could also help improve it by finding a few such references, and mentioning them on the article's talk page so that an independent editor can add them to the article. Maproom (talk) 00:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Excessive copying

I have discovered an editor has been copying and moving text among articles frequently and without attribution. Some material has been moved enough times that I am having problems figuring out the articles from which some content may have originated. Other than warning the editor, what steps should be taken?Novangelis (talk) 21:49, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Your first step should be to discuss your concerns with the other editor. Their talk page would probably be the best place.--ukexpat (talk) 22:05, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Then what?Novangelis (talk) 22:46, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

There are some examples of how to fix this problem at WP:CPM. If the other editor doesn't stop doing the copy-paste, and you've warned them about it, then that might fall under vandalism and you could ask they be blocked from editing. But, that should be a last resort. RudolfRed (talk) 23:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

If this is about David Hedlund, then Novangelis is, I believe, right to draw attention to the problem. Maproom (talk) 00:23, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

If it's not cut-and-paste moves of entire articles but only sections or paragraphs which are copied or moved then see WP:RIA. I have for example made dummy edits with edit summaries like "The edit by XXX copied content from [[YYY]]". PrimeHunter (talk) 00:29, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Deficient article

As per the community guidelines for Autobiography, I'm writing about an article about which I'm the subject: Ken Kalfus. The page, which I did not originate, could be more complete, more accurate and more interesting, if anyone wishes to take the trouble. Some suggested revisions:

- I never attended Trinity College. It's true that I don't have a degree; the last school I left, however, was New York University. Reference: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/22/books/it-started-with-a-vision-of-tolstoy-s-death-then-segued-into-a-first-novel.html?gwh=1245049D7B4BAD52B1D7CAF68CF3985D

- My first collection of stories, Thirst, is comprised of short stories that I published in literary magazines, including the Village Voice Literary Supplement, the North American Review, and the University of Arizona's Sonora Review, when David Foster Wallace was its fiction editor. References: already cited Salon piece; also, about the Sonora Review: http://www.sideshowmediagroup.com/?p=88

- From 1994 to 1998 I lived in Moscow, where my wife Inga Saffron was the Philadelphia Inquirer's correspondent. (reference: Times article)

- My story "Pu-239" was adapted for film by Scott Z. Burns and starred Paddy Considine, Radha Mitchell and Oscar Isaac. (Reference: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472156/?ref_=sr_1)

- My new novel, Equilateral, is being published in April 2013. It's set in Egypt at the end of the 19th century; its theme is the search for extraterrestrial life. (Reference: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_10?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=ken+kalfus+equilateral&sprefix=Ken+Kalfus%2Cstripbooks%2C262)

- My wife is now the Philadelphia Inquirer's architecture critic. (Times article)

Please excuse me if I've violated some protocol by making these suggestions. I'm an enthusiastic supporter of Wikipedia and would like its article about me to be as complete as possible. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walesspeed (talk • contribs) 21:58, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

No, these type of *referenced comments* are just fine! However, they *should* be placed on the talk page for the article (Talk:Ken Kalfus), hopefully an editor will take care of it (which will take care of any WP:AUTO issues. If no one has done so in a week, comment here again.Naraht (talk) 23:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

No apology necessary: apart from not knowing the best place to put them, these are exactly the kind of contributions with which somebody who is the subject of an article can best help with that article. --ColinFine (talk) 23:55, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

One quibble: amazon.com is not considered much of a reliable source; so if you've got a better source, it would be appreciated. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:55, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I've moved the questions to the talk page and replaced the Amazon reference.Walesspeed (talk) 21:28, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Covario page

• Covario (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Trying to add reference and text, but keep getting error when I add reference. I added ==References== , like it said, and removed <relist/> (not sure what it was. But no luck in correcting this error. Claudieb762 (talk) 22:19, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

The {{reflist}} or <references /> tag needs to appear after all the references. There's a reference at the very end of the article. If you move that up, it will work. RudolfRed (talk) 22:32, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

• I revised the page and the talk page. You probably do not need five references to support one sentence. Also, the lead section does not need references. See WP:LEAD. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:11, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

editing the page "Peter Vettese"

I am continually blocked in editing the page "Peter Vettese" or "Peter-John Vettese". The page has incorrect information and is dramatically out of date - I planned to upload with completely new text - but it keeps getting bounced. Please can you advise how to review the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Violet Lushington (talk • contribs) 22:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

First, don't mark edits with the minor edit box unless you're changing something very small like a typo. When someone reverts your changes, instead of putting them back, raise the issue on the article's talk page. See WP:BRD. Also, read the guidance at WP:COI. Some of your edit summaries suggest you might have a conflict of interest. RudolfRed (talk) 22:37, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Besides the above raised by RudolfRed:

• You cannot replace a cited article with a new version that doesn't contain any reference.
• The new page is completely unformatted whereas the previous page contained correct Wiki formatting.
• Most importantly: You cannot overwrite it with a page that is both advertising and non neutral in tone.

And to parrot the previous statement: please read WP:COI as well. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 22:42, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

• I listed the matter at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Peter-John Vettese. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:03, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata and its impact on English Wikipedia

Based on responses to my query here and this signpost report I wish to find "... the current RFC is out there ...". How do I find this "current RFC"? See also Wikidata first steps ... and Wikidata live on English Wikipedia --Senra (talk) 22:39, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure where it is. It might have been posted on one of the Village pumps, you could try looking through the archives there. Or ask the user who mentioned the RFC. RudolfRed (talk) 23:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

The quoted signpost comment also says "The first service offered is interwiki links, so it makes sense to look at that issue first." I guess the mentioned RFC is Wikipedia:Wikidata interwiki RFC. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:55, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

 – thank you --Senra (talk) 10:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)