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May 9

Les Misérables (2012 film)

Incorrect: Catherine Woolston as Azelma, the younger daughter of the Thénardiers. The character was present during the original French production but cut from subsequent productions. The film reinstates the character. Correct: Catherine Woolston to be included in minor roles- not this character 212.183.128.141 (talk) 10:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

If you have a source for your information so that it can be verified, you can go ahead and fix it yourself. If you aren't comfortable doing that, then you should raise this issue at Talk:Les Misérables (2012 film). --Jayron32 11:36, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Citation needed tag for citation???

Can a citation get its own 'citation needed' tag? See reference #9 in the Halo Burger article. Steelbeard1 (talk) 11:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

That makes no sense. The user who added it [1] apparently wants a non-primary source. {{Primary source-inline}} can be used for that. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:31, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I made the change which makes better sense. Steelbeard1 (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

your best price on proforma

[1]seal-13b0283..quty.8 [2]o-ring-12B0216..quty..8 [3]O-RING-12B0424..QUT..8 [4]GASKET-81A0080..QUTY..4 [5]SAEL-12B0422..QUTY..4 [6]SEAL-12B0421..QUTY..4 [7]O-RING-12B0423..QUTY..4 [8]O-RING-88A0456..QUTY..4 [9]GASKET-81A0112..QUTY..4 [10]STEEL WIRE-75A0128..QUTY..8 [11]SEAL-13B0169..QUTY..2 [12]O-RING-12B0105..QUTY..4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.255.169.193 (talk) 12:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--ukexpat (talk) 12:56, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

"What links here"--is there a way to eliminate the nav box links?

This is probably a dumb question, but when I click on a "What links here" link for an article, sometimes there is a huge list of links because of numerous nav boxes which link to the page. It makes it cumbersome to find whether a specific page is linked. Is there a way to eliminate these nav box links from the list? I've tried the various options/filters on top, but I can't seem to get what I want. I would like to see just the links that are within "real articles", not articles which just link to the page due to the nav box. I hope this makes sense. Thanks. --Logical Fuzz (talk) 13:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

This cannot be done. See more at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 69#What links here and navboxes. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:04, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. I don't feel so dumb now! --Logical Fuzz (talk) 16:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

how do I

refer in my contribution to Wikipedia to an unpublished paper in PDF form 84.20.238.83 (talk) 13:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I am afraid you cannot - unpublished materials are not reliable sources for Wikipedia purposes.--ukexpat (talk) 13:33, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Huggle

Is it possible to get Huggle to work on a Mac? Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 15:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I haven't tried it, but this page explains it: Wikipedia:Huggle/Wine RudolfRed (talk) 16:42, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Need help at editing Infoboxes

I wish to add free label to an article's infobox here Central National Herbarium. However, they don't show up. Where is the problem? and also kindly suggest some constructive ideas. VIVEK RAI :  Friend?  15:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Er, your request is not that clear, but if I understand correctly you wish to add "free labels" to the infobox for information not supported by the {{Infobox Museum}} template, this would appear to be impossible as far as I know, (other editors?), I have however added the "curator" line to add the scientist-in-charge's name. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 15:35, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

See above #Free labels in Infobox don't show up!.--ukexpat (talk) 15:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Expat, was just dropping to the bottom to see if I could help out, that's all cleared up then. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 17:24, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

That is okay, but the information I wish to list is of great importance. May be you can suggest some alternative ways to do so. VIVEK RAI :  Friend?  05:47, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Tutankhamun age of death.

On the Tutankhamun page in the "foreign policy" section it states he died age 18, but in the "probable product of incest" section it states age 19. If someone know's which is right can they edit it? It's nothing major, but im a pain for spotting mistakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.156.225.244 (talk) 15:26, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source stating the information, yes. Otherwise, someone might revert your change because they consider it vandalism or otherwise doubt what you changed.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:29, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Searching only Wikipedia for images

Is it possible to search for a given search string (e.g., DSC) within the File namespace but without receiving results from Commons? Cheers, Nikthestoned 15:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I tried and failed. You might ask at wp:VPT where the experts hang out.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's possible with Wikipedia's search. A Google search can achieve something like that with DSC -"This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons" site:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 97#Wikipedia search (2012-02-21). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:15, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Removing unintended italics

Can you please help out with something? I recently edited the article on Katie Boyle, adding a sentence to note that she used to be an agony aunt for the TV listings magazine TV Times. However, for some strange reason, when I added this sentence, it ended up in italics. It should not be in italics - could some one please look at this article and explain how I can get this back to ordinary type? I left a note on the talk page of this article about this issue, but no has responded as yet. Many thanks in advance for any help, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed - there was a '' at the beginning of the sentence, which I've now removed. Cheers, Nikthestoned 15:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Can I put name of photographer while uploading a photo

Hi I want to upload some pictures in Darbhanga Raj section of WIKIPEDIA, I want to show my name below every photograph, which will depict that this photograph has been taken by Alok Shankar, is this allowed ?? Please let me know.

Thanks Alok Shankar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alok Shankar (talk • contribs) 16:11, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Nope. By posing your photo to Wikipedia you release it under a CC-BY-SA license, or into the public domain. Adding a signature would be pointless as you are mentioned on the file page in the documentation. Hghyux (talk to me)(talk to others) 16:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

MoS:CURRENCY formatting question

The following is clearly wrong (no dashes with "between" constructions allowed):

"The production budget was estimated between $15–18 million."

But how is it formatted properly? (Obviously, it will involve "between ... and ...", but are "$" and "million" to be used more than once? And where to put them?)

Also, maybe the corresponding guidelines should be amended? – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 16:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The fifth bullet point under "Formatting" at MOS:CURRENCY says that the dollar sign should be used only once. If the estimate was an in-house, pre-production one, you could write, "The production budget was estimated at $15–18 million"; if it was an after-the-fact estimate by others, you might replace "at" with "to have been". (Back when I was working as a copyeditor, we tried to avoid such uses of the en dash, though, to prevent people's misreading the meaning [even momentarily] as "between 15 dollars and 18 million dollars". We'd probably have gone with either "between 15 million and 18 million dollars" or "between $15 million and $18 million".) Deor (talk) 19:31, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not following. What rule(s) do you see that would imply "$15–18 million" would be incorrect? Rwessel (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your replies.

("$15–18 million" would be correct, but not "between $15–18 million", like, "between 1928–1935" would be wrong, it would have to read "between 1928 and 1935" – but putting the Dollar sign and the word million in there makes it more complicated)

So, Deor, in keeping with the structure that was there, should I change it to "The production budget was estimated between $15 million and $18 million.", then?

(And, again, could someone bring this to the attention of the people engaged in the writing of the MoS or make the changes themselves? I don't feel confident enough in such matters to touch that.) – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 19:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but I might insert "to be" after "estimated" just for clarity. Deor (talk) 20:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your help – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 20:11, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding bussiness website links to City/County information.

Is it permissible to add business directories to city/county artificial. For example add a new heading "Local Business in the area" and link back to their respective websites? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mperdue 116 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

In short, no. See Wikipedia:NOTPROMOTION. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 17:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Looking for images in the public domain

Can you please tell me if the images you use on Wikipedia are in the public domain? I want to use the following historical photographs in a learning environment, but I will be charging for the workshop. I understand that copyright permission is in order if it is not within the public domain.

Alexander Graham Bell, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison Thank you!209.203.137.3 (talk) 17:14, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Not all images on Wikipedia are public domain. Images on Wikimedia Commons are freely licensed (which doesn't mean public domain, but...). Public domain images on Wikipedia are seen at Category:Public domain files and its subcategories. Commons files in the public domain can be found at Category:Public domain and its subcategories. To find out if your specific file is PD, you can look at the "Licensing" (or sometimes "Summary") section of the specific file's page. - Purplewowies (talk) (How's my driving?) 17:26, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Does WP:REUSE help? --ColinFine (talk) 22:47, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Old Georgian Club

Dear Sirs, there is information about the Old Georgian Club on Wikipedia, which is incorrect. The Old Georgian Club is a club which gets together the former pupils of St George's College, a high level education school located in Buenos Aires, Argentina. It states that our Club does not play rugby any longer and that was the case till last year, when we made a re entry to our rugby union association.

I am the administrator of the Old Georgian Club. How do I go about correcting this issue?

Thanks and regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.194.136.43 (talk) 17:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

If you go to Talk:Old Georgian Club, you can let someone know exactly what needs to be changed. Please also indicate a source for the changes, as we wish to get information at Wikipedia correct, and thus information should ideally be verifiable so that people with questions can look it up. --Jayron32 18:26, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Can you provide a link to some published document, maybe a local newspaper, or a newsletter from your RU Association, as evidence? If you can, I or another editor will be willing to update the article. Maproom (talk) 18:27, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Email on talk pages

Could you please tell me if it's proper etiquette to paste the content of offline emails into a talk page? I was contacted via email by an editor about some articles where I had placed maintenance tags. Some of what was said would be relevant to a talk page discussion, and I think the comments should be posted publicly where they may be properly addressed. Thanks. --Drm310 (talk) 17:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

In general, I'd say no, but if you really want/need to do so, you might ask permission from the editor whose email you would posting. - Purplewowies (talk) (How's my driving?) 17:48, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I think they are covered under privacy laws of most countries. You can't repeat anything said by others without written permission.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Very good, I have replied to the editor and asked their permission to post it. Thanks for the guidance. --Drm310 (talk) 04:35, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I Do Not See The Wikipedia Page I Created When I Do A Google Search

Hello,

I submitted an article today for "DJ Mell Starr". I do not see the wikipedia name when I do a google search for that name. Did I miss a step or is there another process that I should have completed? Please advise....

--DJ MELL STARR 17:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ Mell Starr (talk • contribs)

New webpages take some time for Google to find. If you just created the article, it may take anywhere from a few hours to a day for Google to pick it up, aditionally Google has its own criteria for ranking and displaying web pages, and Wikipedia has no control over when, where, and how prominently a Wikipedia article will appear in Google. --Jayron32 18:18, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Please use four tildes ~~~~ to sign your posts or use the signature button in the toolbar above the edit window, do not try to simulate the signature manually. Roger (talk) 18:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

It has only been live for 3 hours, give it a little more time.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:34, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

OK. Thank you so much for the responses & suggestions.

DJ MELL STARR 18:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ Mell Starr (talk • contribs)

You're not paying attention - Do not write your signature manually - use the button or tildes. Roger (talk) 18:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Autobiography is strongly discouraged in Wikipedia: please read WP:AUTOBIO. --ColinFine (talk) 22:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Hangul consonant and vowel tables

Could someone with more knowledge of wiki markup please improve the layout of this article, so that the tables can perhaps fit two next to each other? Interchangeable 18:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm really not quite sure what you're looking to do. I might be able to help, but let's move this discussion to the talk page for the article. MyNameWasTaken (talk) 04:40, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Done. Please see the talk page. Interchangeable 16:43, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Responding to an unconstructive talk page section

A new section on the Afrikaner talk page is troublesome: This is why scholars disregard wikipedia as a reliable source of information... It's not constructive, and clearly violates the talk page policy to "Keep headings neutral" (see WP:TALKNEW). Something should be done about the section, but I'm wary of feeding the troll or violating policy myself. --TSchwenn (talk) 19:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The post is a few months old. It does not explain what "error" or "dipute" it is referring to. There are "bias tags" in the article but no discussion about them on the talk page. IMHO such undiscussed tags should simply be deleted per the "put up or shut up" principle. Tagging something as biased without any explanation of the percieved bias is unconstructive. Roger (talk) 21:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree about removing the bias tags, but what about the useless talk section? Can I simply delete it (with a helpful edit summary, of course)? TSchwenn (talk) 21:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Don't delete the talk page post - just ignore it. Roger (talk) 21:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Parenthesis in title

Is there a way to use a parenthesis in a title so that the full URL has a parenthesis, not percent coding? I know how to do per cent coding when certain characters cause a problem, but in this case I want to go the other direction.

For example:

Isothermal microcalorimetry (IMC)

renders as

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isothermal_microcalorimetry_%28IMC%29 --SPhilbrick(Talk) 20:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

"full URL" where? And renders where? In IE, Google Chrome, Opera and Safari I get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isothermal_microcalorimetry_(IMC) if I go to Isothermal microcalorimetry (IMC) and copy the url from the browser address bar. In Firefox I get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isothermal_microcalorimetry_%28IMC%29, but I get wikipedia.org/wiki/Isothermal_microcalorimetry_(IMC) if I omit the start when copying. Are you using Firefox and hinting at this Firefox feature when you say "full URL"? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:54, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes Firefox. I was telling someone to use the full url (until it is indexed in Wikipedia) and thought it looked ugly. Interesting that it looks better in IE, and other browsers. No big deal, I just thought it might be easy.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isothermal_microcalorimetry_(IMC)

works

and so does

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isothermal microcalorimetry (IMC)

--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually such acronyms/abreviations are not meant to be used in article titles. Parenthetical disambiguation is used but thats not the case here. The article should simply be Isothermal microcalorimetry - the abreviation should be introduced in the lead. Roger (talk) 07:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree, so I have moved the page title to the unambiguated form over the redirect. Bencherlite^Talk 08:31, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Sagnificant country and politic issue

Please review this artcile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2012 and remove the word "Macedonia" as a name of the country participated. There is no country with this name. The right word for this is FYROM or Skopje. Please remove it as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.132.46.10 (talk) 20:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

You might want to check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Republic of Macedonia where some of the participants may be able to give you feedback.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 20:16, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Any such renaming edits would conflict with the established Wikipedia naming convention (Macedonia) for the country. --TSchwenn (talk) 20:22, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

It's high time Greek chauvanists got used to the fact that a country exists that happens to have the same name as one of their regions - just suck it up already! Americans don't complain that the European country of Georgia has the same name as one of their states. Roger (talk) 21:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

There is no country with the name "Greece" either. Or "Germany". Or "United States". ... --ColinFine (talk) 22:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

time zones

My question is about time zones. the article for US time zones example Alaska UTC -9:00

                                     Wake Island +12:00

does this mean + or - 9 hours or 12 hours I am in US Philadelphia, Pennsylvania this is for my personal information. How will I get an answer--69.249.215.234 (talk) 22:16, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

See Time zone for an explanation. (Incidentally, this page is for asking about using or editing Wikipedia. For general information, try searching for a relevant article, or else post a question at one of the departments of the reference desk). --ColinFine (talk) 22:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

User namespace redirects for user names

I have created some redirects to my username of User:Alan Liefting. They are User:Alan, User:A Liefting and User:Liefting. Is this cool or am I going to get a sound wiki-thrashing? Can I have User:Green dude, User:Diodehead, User:Techie dude and User:Ecodude as well? Please...? Since I am vehemently opposed to sock puppets and I cannot use these to be a sock puppet anyway I cannot see a problem. In fact wiki-squatting on the alternatives to my name may prevent identity theft. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

You should only redirect usernames you actually own. See WP:DOPPELGÄNGER. By redirecting them you are implying that you own them. The account User:Alan was registered years ago (before registration date was stored) but has no edits. It's a common name and http://toolserver.org/~quentinv57/sulinfo/Alan shows users who have edits with that name in many other Wikimedia wikis. Special:ListUsers/Alan also shows a lot of Alan's here. If it isn't your account then you have no right to the name. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:21, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I have speedily deleted the last two under WP:CSD#U2 (no such registered user) and the first one I have simply speedily deleted on the grounds that it's not your account, so you shouldn't be redirecting his userpage to yours. Bencherlite^Talk 23:35, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

However you simply create the last two and tag them as doppelgänger accounts, like I did with User:Salvadrim & User:Salvid. Salvidrim! 00:46, 10 May 2012 (UTC)