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Hatfield and McCoy in Piegon Forge Tennessee

I was told I could go to tripadvisor.com and find out about it and there would be a place to make a comment can you tell me how to get there? Thanks Kimberly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.80.99.14 (talk) 00:36, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. RudolfRed (talk) 01:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I think this is the TripAdvisor page you're looking for. --Colapeninsula (talk) 08:40, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

How to delete my location from wikipidea map

I want to permanently delete my location, along with all the post.

Coordinates: 25°50'37"N 84°56'39"E

Sanjeev Singh ki wife Nikki ka Gaon SAlemPur Sutihar Chapra SAran

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=25.843282&lon=84.8930347&z=12&l=0&m=b&show=/23962650/Sanjeev-Singh-ki-wife-Nikki-ka-Gaon-SAlemPur-Sutihar-Chapra-SAran&search=chapra%20bihar

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=25.8670716&lon=84.8054874&z=12&l=0&m=b&show=/23969503/Sanjeevsingh-ki-lover-ke-ghar-ka-rasta&search=chapra%20bihar

Coordinates: 25°51'36"N 84°51'36"E

Sanjeevsingh ki lover ke ghar ka rasta

Coordinates: 25°51'22"N 84°51'47"E Sanjeev Singh ki lover ka gaonNikki I Love YOu http://wikimapia.org/#lat=25.8670716&lon=84.8054874&z=12&l=0&m=b&show=/23969483/Sanjeev-Singh-ki-lover-ka-gaonNikki-I-Love-YOu&search=chapra%20bihar

Coordinates: 25°50'34"N 84°56'36"E

SanjeevSingh ki wifeNikki ka Ghar Salempur Sutihar-shakti-premjit-hardevsinghka ghar

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=25.8427606&lon=84.9386108&z=15&l=0&m=b&show=/23962607/SanjeevSingh-ki-wifeNikki-ka-Ghar-Salempur-Sutihar-shakti-premjit-hardevsinghka-ghar

Please delete this location on wikipidea map

What is the policy to stop a user from following my edits

Hi,

If a user I do not wish to interact with follows my edit history, what is the general remedy please? I have emphatically asked the user to stop following my edit history and I have received a less than civil response. The user seems to feel that they "have a right" to follow me to pages they have never edited before, but can develop an immediate interest in based on my presence there. I have issued the user notices/warnings about both hounding and incivility but they have been dismissed by him.

What is the best remedy for administrative help to stop future potential hounding and deal with the current case of incivility, as well as avoiding future incivility. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 09:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Please see WP:HOUNDING. You might want to report it to WP:ANI supported by diffs of instances. --lTopGunl (talk) 09:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I have seen the WP:HOUNDING. I thought ANI is generally for more major issues. In this case I was hoping for a simpler more specific venue. Is there a hounding noticeboard or civility noticeboard that has simpler and faster resolution than ANI? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 09:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, see WP:WQA. But don't expect any sanctions on the other user or you from there as that is meant for resolving this by discussion. If that doesn't work, you'll have to go to ANI. --lTopGunl (talk) 09:50, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous. This was a settled matter last night I thought, as I even said "Truce" to him at the end...and explained matters, and tried to smooth it over. So what he did here is unnecessary. And leaving out pertinent facts, to bad-mouth me. He's now LYING. I did NOT "hound" him. For real. I only went to ONE ARTICLE TALK PAGE, not numerous ones, as he's giving the (false) impression, but just one...out of sincere interest in religious articles. It was not meant as anything malicious or "hounding". HIS response to my sincere comment on "Mediatrix" talk was HORRIBLE. And anything less than civil. He over-reacted big time, when I meant nothing bad. He's giving a false impression that I've been "following him around" on numerous articles. Which is simply not true. It was one article TALK PAGE...that by accident, and I chimed in with all due respect. He reacted coldly and uncivilly. Number two: He lies when he said "I dismissed his request". At first it was not a request but a horrible jerky demand and rude disrespect. But later on (if you see right here) I did smooth things over and told him he might have had a point.

I wrote this last night (and he definitely saw it):

-----I did not violate any WP policy by coming here, and with the first comment on here I made. But you did violate WP civility with your response to what I did. So naturally I reacted telling you off for being so rude. It's really that simple. Point me a clear thing (not just say "click this link") in WP policy pages that says an editor can't simply chime in a talk page of an article and lend his points in a respectful manner, simply because it was of a page that another editor knew someone else in? I'm interested in religious articles. So what?

I meant NO disrespect towards you, in doing that. For real. I thought you could get past stuff. I was wrong obviously. I meant well here though. But your reaction was extremely disrespectful. Hence my reaction to you. (My first comment here was well-meaning and simply for others to see in general. And you totally dissed it. But I meant nothing so terrible.) YOU turned this into this. Man. Not I. I had no bad intentions. I was over matters already. You obviously weren't. You could have easily have been cooler about it, or ignored the Mediatrix comment, etc. But you had to throw cold rudeness at me. Simply because of stuff from before.

I mean, maybe you're right in a way. Maybe it would have been smarter or better for me (for the time being) even if I meant it in a neutral or cool sense, for me not to peruse other religious articles (that I may be interested in) that other editors that I know (such as you) have been dealing with. But again, I did not mean it quite the sense that you probably assumed. Meaning that you really did NOT have to react the way you did. I know I'm not perfect necessarily. But if you think you were perfect here, then there's not much I can say to you, and I will try hard to steer clear of you. Though we did have a decent working relationship in the past. Cheerio.-----

The only reason I'm HERE, by the way, in case he accuses me of "following him around" again (a total exaggeration) is because I understandably was curious if he was talking to any boards about this again even after last night. Seems I was right. And since this is about me, I have a right to say something here.

But again, to set the record straight. 1) I did not "hound" him at all. As my going to that talk page was not meant as hounding or dissing or anything like that, and I only checked his history page simply because I'm interested in religious articles in general, and I know that he (and some other editors) generally work on religious articles. And I was curious what was out there. No malice (at all) was intended. For real.

2) It was only that ONE article talk page...ever...not a constant thing as he's implying, with other articles, so he's giving a (false) impression.

3) The first comment I left on that article talk page (about Mediatrix dogma etc) was respectful yet pointed, and I said if I might chime in, which he totally dismissed, only focusing on the fact that I was there, and how dare I.

4) He only got this way because we had some disagreement earlier that day from something else, which I thought he might have been over...since I was...and it was whatever. I moved on, obviously he didn't.

5) Again, to re-iterate, my checking his history was only to see what other religious articles were out there, NOT to diss him. As he wrongly assumed. My interest was in the article, not in the editor.

6) He is not telling the truth when he said I totally dismissed what he said. At first I got angry at his rude nonsense, but a little later I wrote on his page with the section heading "Truce". Where I explained matters, and my motives, and how I meant nothing bad like he thought, but that he may have had a point. Of course he fails to mention that here, leaving pertinent facts out. That I sincerely tried to smooth things over. Not sure why he felt the need to whine here, and diss me again here, and misrepresent (or leave out) certain facts. Not cool. I mean, he and I got along well in the past, so it's sad this nonsense has to happen.

But just remember...no matter how flat you make a pancake, there are still always two sides. And there's a saying. If you heard only one side of a two-party dispute, you heard LESS than half. (People will always conveniently omit facts, and then exaggerate other facts...to make them look better, and the other person look worse.) I did NOT, repeat NOT, "hound" him. Not in any true Wikipedia sense. I was only perusing religious articles, and from some editors that I know work on them. Out of sincere interest in the articles, not in the editor. I did not disrupt or change any of his edits on "Mediatrix", nor did I ever intend to. (I do NOT do that, to people. For real. I don't follow editors around that I had a disagreement with, just to annoy or disrupt them. He slanders me basically by saying that, or at the very least, hastily and wrongly assumes...and puts bad motives on me, which, by the way, is against WP policy in itself.) I only said a little piece on the talk page, cuz I was interested. That's it. He went off on me. All cold and rude. Assumed this or that. Jumped the gun. Put bad motives on me. Ignored the content of my actual comment. And made me feel bad. Not "civil" at all. I naturally got upset, went off on him that he was out of line. But I still felt bad, called a Truce (which he never mentions here.) And I basically later on apologized to him at the end. Though technically I did nothing wrong. And his reaction was ANYTHING BUT "civil" in the beginning. Again, you can check out the whole matter and see all sides. I'm not perfect, necessarily, but he definitely isn't. I told him I was gonna respect his wishes at the end, so it wasn't necessary for him to spout off here, bad-mouthing me, and conveniently forgetting to tell you everything. Not cool. But I'd rather leave things in peace. Regards. Hashem sfarim (talk) 18:34, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Watchlist

The Watch list changes notification only lists the last change made to each page on each day. This sounds logical enough except that, if the last change was a minor spelling correction (which is quite often the case) it can hide the fact that half the page may have changed just a few minutes earlier. Is there some way of expanding the list to all changes? Even a note something like "3 changes between **:** and **:**" would be ok. I know this information is available in the history but it would be more convenient if it was imediately visible. Roly (talk) 10:48, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I had wished for that feature too. Please suggest it on WP:VP and it may get implemented at some point. History2007 (talk) 11:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Go to "My preferences", "Watchlist" tab, and tick "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent". There's more at Help:Watching pages#Options. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:43, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia article keeps disappearing

Can you please make sure that article Volunteering under "Wishaw" (Town) will not be removed, or categorised as advert, which isn't. Volunteering is free of charge service and provides many opportunities for the local communities, which are listed in the very article..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishaw#Volunteering

From time to time somebody removes/deletes this article which is a bad idea considering a fact that 30% of Scottish population is or was involved in any shape or form of volunteering (information from General Register Office for Scotland).

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.15.67 (talk) 12:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

The information you're adding sounds like advertising; that's why it keeps getting deleted. If you want the information included, you must make sure it adheres to a neutral point of view. For other editors, the IP is referring to the information he is trying to add here. AndieM (Am I behaving?) 12:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

To see the phrases and words that other editors are objecting to, see Wikipedia:Wikipuffery. Dru of Id (talk) 13:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

You are (reasonably) interpreting "advertising" as meaning "commercial advertising", but that is narrower than the kind of thing that is forbidden on Wikipedia. Your statement about 30% of the Scottish population indicates that your purpose for the article is advocacy: this is fundamentally inconsistent with the purpose of Wikipedia, which is to report and summarise information which has already been discussed in independent reliable sources.l --ColinFine (talk) 20:41, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

How do you add information on top of an edit page?

I would like to leave a note on my talk page stating that I am a female and I want it to show up while the page is being edited. However, I do not know how to do that. Any help would be greatly appreciated. AndieM (Am I behaving?) 15:24, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Anything you write on the page User talk:AndieM/Editnotice will appear to anybody editing your talkpage. You can also put a message on User talk:AndieM/Talk header. That message will appear above all content on your talkpage, when the talk page is viewed in 'Read mode'. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 15:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! AndieM (Am I behaving?) 15:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Downloading PDF documents

I've attempted to down load both individual articles and books in the pdf format. In each and every case I've been unable to save them or to open them with Adobe Acrobat. They'll cause Adobe Acrobat to crash each and every time. I've tried this on two different Windows computers and one Mac Pro computer. How can I fix this problem? Thanks so much for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.216.11.5 (talk) 15:48, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't have much experience with the PDF books feature, but here is our FAQ for Books: Help:Books FAQ. The Interior (Talk) 18:56, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

You can also repost your question here if the FAQ doesn't help: Books Feedback. The Interior (Talk) 18:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

User name hidden behind picture caption

Somehow this diff [1], piping a user-name behind "a fan" in a picture caption, feels wrong, but I can't find a policy against it. Am I being over-sensitive? - Arjayay (talk) 16:51, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

It's not clear to me what encyclopedic value the image adds to the article so I would suggest it be removed completely. That aside, how about Wikipedia:CAPTION#Establishing relevance to the article?--ukexpat (talk) 16:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I would, indeed, suggest removing the picture from the article, but not necessarily from Commons. This discussion has gotten spread all over the place. See Commons:Help desk#Photo may need tagging. - Jmabel | Talk 15:05, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Humble Request

The information about Jack Nicholson is great and fantastic, He is person whom I admire, if possible give his postal address, desperate to write him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.245.110.78 (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

He doesn't appear to have an official website, but you could contact him through his agent:

Bresler Kelly & Associates

11500 West Olympic Blvd.

Los Angeles, CA 90064 USA

(next time please use the WP:reference desk for general queries, thanks!) The Interior (Talk) 18:40, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia "photoshop team"

I remember that there is a page in the Wikipedia namespace where you can go to request that someone create/modify an image. Does anyone know what page that is? Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:22, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

You can request creation of an image at Wikipedia:Requested pictures, and modification at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:30, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. The Graphic Lab was exactly what I was looking for and the other link helped too. Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Article been moved without following request for move procedures

Good evening Wikipedians, Daniel Callegaro (talk · contribs) has executed a page move without submitting a request for move at WP:RM. The article and its talk page have moved from the English written text of Leyla Aliyeva (presenter) to Leyla Əliyeva (presenter) which is using the Azerbaijani written text. The user is relatively new, and may not be aware of the move procedure. Would it be possible for an admin to look into this, and revert things accordingly. Thank you! Wesley☀Mouse 23:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Note that per Wikipedia:Requested moves, 'If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page.' If they had filed at Requested Moves, however, Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) would certainly have been cited as justification for the article remaining where it was. It will now take an administrator to move it back over the created redirect. Dru of Id (talk) 23:38, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy reply. I knew about the naming convention somewhere along the lines, especially with this version of Wiki being English speaking. I've noticed the same user has also changed English versions of the presenter's name, to Azeri written versions - I have reverted those, and left an explanatory note on the users talk page, in light that I am aware the user is relatively new, and may not be aware of WP:ENGLISH. Wesley☀Mouse 23:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Not sure why Dru of Id thought it needed an admin to move it back, but I've done it. - David Biddulph (talk) 01:23, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah well, thank you for fixing it though - much appreciated. Wesley☀Mouse 01:25, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

The same user also moved Leyla Aliyeva to Leyla Əliyeva, I moved it back.--ukexpat (talk) 01:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Well spotted, I hadn't even noticed that one. I did notice some of the edit summeries listed things as "Azeri words, it´s difficult to me". I'm wondering if it would be wise to encourage adoption to the user, so that they can gain a better understanding into editing correctly? Wesley☀Mouse 01:33, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot that was if the redirect had subsequently been edited. Dru of Id (talk) 01:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)