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Add a link to open another web page within wiki

how can I open another web page within a wiki web site ? similar to frames ?

Image copyright

If I want to upload a picture of me for user page, do I have to ask the guy who took it and ask him to release the license? Wooyi^{Talk, Editor review} 00:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Unless it's a professional photographer, the "guy who took it" should be able to give you permission for public domain or something. Just remember, non-commercial licenses don't work here. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 01:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify: the subject of a photo or artwork has no copyright rights, even if they own the only copy and even if they paid for it unless arrangements were made to transfer the copyright. Notinasnaid 08:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

FInding information

When you are using wikipedia and you can't find what you are looking for ... well ... what do you do? SOPHIA JUAREZ

You could ask your question at the Reference Desk. Please start a new section when asking a new question. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 01:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

What exactly are you looking for? If you tell me, I might be able to find a link. (Wikipedia's search system isn't great.) Pyrospirit ^Shiny! 03:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Sea lists several links to pages that describe advanced methods to search on Wikipedia. However, Wikipedia does not try to contain everything, only information that is "encyclopedic." Encyclopedic information is a very small subset of all information, because most information is not very notable, or it cannot be reliably sourced, or sometimes the people who know about it cannot describe it from a neutral point of view. If what you want is not on Wikipedia, then you can try searching elsewhere, for example by using a search engine, vertical search, or the old-fashioned method of asking a reference librarian. Asking on the Reference Desk is another possibility, of course, but you should try doing your own search first, because knowing how to search is such a generally useful skill. If you want to become a contributor to Wikipedia (and we hope you do), you will have to become very good at looking things up, both to find reliable sources and to build the web of links to related topics. --Teratornis 15:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

editing

Hello, I have a follow up question. Thank you for returning my email last week so quickly. But, how do you define a protected article? For example, the Islam and AIDS articles are protected. Who wrote the articles? Thank you, wash77ls

Articles are protected per the Wikipedia:Protection policy - generally, articles are only protected while a serious dispute is going on which results in problematic editing - articles suffering from temporary vandalism may be semi-protected, and articles with persistant high volume vandalism are sometimes permanently semi-protected. WilyD 02:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

To see the list of people who contributed to an article, click on the "history" tab at the top of each page. See also Wikipedia:Very_Frequently_Asked_Questions#Who_wrote_article_X_on_Wikipedia? Hersfold ^(talk/work) 02:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

broken link in article on Soma

In the article on Soma, link number 1 is broken. The current address is http://www.ejvs.laurasianacademy.com/ejvs0901/ejvs0901c.txt. In addition, a more complete discussion of this issue can be found on the same website at http://www.ejvs.laurasianacademy.com/ejvs0901/ejvs0901a.txt.

Thanks, Tim Baker —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.208.20.139 (talk) 03:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC). You're welcome to fix this yourself. Anyone can edit. Adrian M. H. 13:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

How do I report abusive behaviour from other users?

Recently a user and I were having a dispute about a particular page, and at one point the other user involved became abusive, insulting me with profane language and getting extremely angry. How and to whom do I report such behaviour, and what (if any) action is taken in response?--CloutierFan02 04:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Usually you'd start by making a neutrally-worded request plus a link to WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA on their talkpage, then following it up with a request on WP:AN, but I left a comment on the thread in question, hopefully that will work. Anchoress 04:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

New messages box

Is it just me or has the "New messages" box that appears when someone edits your talk page changed color? It used to be that unattractive yellow color and now it's the same color (white) as the rest of the Wikipedia pages. Dismas|^(talk) 04:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Testing: You have a may have browser problem.

Looks fine to me. I'm not sure why you would have lost the color. Mike Dillon 04:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Also looks ok to me. There is another problem with this message bar that is affecting IP addresses here: Link

-- _Hdt83 ^Chat 05:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Thanks. I left a note there. I wonder what will happen when I log off the emulator that we're forced to use here at work and then log back in. Or when I go home. Dismas|^(talk) 05:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Protected Page edit problem?

whenever i try to edit a page on the sds wiki [1], i get the following message:

"This page has been locked to prevent editing; there are a number of reasons why this may be so, please see Project:Protected page."

when i click on project:protected page it does nothing other than remove the hyperlink. i am logged in, and i have tried on both safari and firefox. according to the folks that run the site, it should be open for editing. i'm not having problems editing pages on regular wiki.

any ideas whats up? Msack 07:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

From the look of things, they need to check their configuration settings, possibly $wgNamespaceProtection and $wgGroupPermissions. The Project:Protected page link will turn blue (and work!) once they take the time to put some content on the page. Ultimately, they may need to have someone join the #mediawiki channel on the Freenode IRC network, where people who know better than I do can provide assistance. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Automatic Book Citation From ISBN?

Does such a thing exist in which I can give an ISBN and it will give me a nicely formatted citation template to include in an article? Kind of thing that the womperstomper bookmarklet does for pubmed entries. --Seans Potato Business 07:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of my additions

I honestly put down that I have shares in the company whose website I posted. I'm actually retired, the company is a startup and there is no money currently involved. The additions I made were appropriate - tourism for Adelaide, South Australia, virtual reality, panoramic photography. The intention was not to promote the company, whose activities are limited to South Australia anyway, but to provide visibility into a technique which is not often used.

I'm very reluctant to try and help with Wikipedia in the future if being honest leads to deletion of my articles. Chas.

I've responded to this query on the user's talk page (just to avoid duplication of effort). --Seans Potato Business 14:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

First bullet in bulleted list appears as asterisk

I have seen this happen before when the asterisk isn't the very first character on a line, but rather than re-explain it here I will just link to an example: User:Chuq/Sandbox/ChaserEpList - see how the first stunt is marked with an asterisk instead of a bullet? I have tried adding line breaks, adding <br>'s, adding &nbsp's, using {{*mp}} instead and so on - with no luck. Any tips would be appreciated! -- Chuq (talk) 09:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed it for you Dep. Garcia ( Talk + | Help Desk | Complaints ) 15:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Navy Cross

I was looking at the Navy Cross section and didn"t see My friends name on it. His Name is Charles Monrow. He received it in Korea in 1950 He lives in Guyton Ga. He is Blind from from his action.
Thank You <<address removed for privacy>> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.85.0.16 (talk) 12:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

If you have a source that can back that up, you're welcome to add it yourself. If not, you may wish to add it to that article's talk page so that a source may be found. It shouldn't be too difficult to find a reference for this. Adrian M. H. 13:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Let's see what Google Search has to say about it: google:"Navy Cross" "Charles Monrow" Korea finds no search results at the moment. Relaxing the search criteria to: google:"Navy Cross" Charles Monrow Korea also finds no results. Further relaxing the search criteria to: google:"Navy Cross" Korea finds many references, including this one which lists a "Monroe, Charles H. (USMC)." (That page claims its list is very likely to be complete.) Note the difference in spelling between "Monroe" and "Monrow." Did your friend serve in the USMC, and what is the correct spelling of his last name? When editing an encyclopedia, we need to get the tiniest details right. --Teratornis 15:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Red Letters

What to the red letters mean? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 167.102.169.2 (talk) 13:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

The red letters like this, you mean? Rather than blue like that? The blue links are articles in Wikipedia that exist, the red links are articles that we may want people to write (i.e. they don't exist yet - Ed). Notinasnaid 13:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

See: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Red. --Teratornis 14:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Pestering users...

Well, look at my talk page and you'll get it. Also, Darkcurrent has attacked in here, and has harrased another user just a few days ago. Now, I do not know his intentions well, whether he is just another person fed up over "vandals, trolls, POV warriors, and hypocrites". Yet he delivers the message in a profanity-laden way, which actually makes him an extremist, and at some point, he contradicts his own edits, as they are like vandalism and show opinions of hatred. I have tried giving a long reply to his insulting rant, but unfortunately, my browser sort of crashed, and I can't find any more options. Is there ANY way to impose disciplinary action on him, like blocking him from Wikipedia? Clearly, this place is better off without him. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah^talk_GO'NUCKSGO!! 14:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I wondered what was wrong until I viewed the diffs. You certainly have cause for complaint, not least because of the very abusive language. I think the admins' noticeboard may have links or sub-pages relate to dealing with this. Adrian M. H. 14:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

George Rudisil, what prison camp was he in?

…George Rudisil was in Company E, 12th Regiment of Indiana Volunteers who was enrolled on the Ninth day of August, 1862 to serve 3 years. He was discharged on Feb 28th 1863 at the age of 18, by reason of Surgeon's certificate of disability. This was the result of a gun shot to his foot. (Note: According to his death certificate, he was born on Feb. 8, 1844, which would have made him 19 on February 28th, 1863.) He was in a Confederate prison camp for a while and we know not which one, can you research the camps and tell us? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rich fike (talk • contribs) 14:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

You can ask at the Humanities section of the Ref Desk and you might find someone who knows the answer, but this is the Help Desk, which is about using Wikipedia. It's not a research service. Adrian M. H. 14:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Question moved to Humanities section.  --Lambiam^Talk 11:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

all text of new article displays on one line rather than word wrapping as expected

all text of new article displays on one line rather than word wrapping as expected: The Great Company Could not find any guidance in the help text on editing ot new article construction. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GaryPhillips2 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

This usually means that you put a blank at the start of a line. Take the blank away and the article should work. Notinasnaid 16:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

That was the problem - Thanks, Gary—The preceding unsigned comment was added by GaryPhillips2 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Vandalism from a school IP with history of blocks

User:199.195.109.4 is a school IP that evidently has received repeated blocks for vandalism. Two vandalising edits cropped up today (usual sort of puerile foul language). I reverted them and left two level 3 warnings. Is it worth reporting it somewhere (eg, WP:AIV) or will that IP be monitored anyway? It's in a category of IPs that are used for vandalism. Adrian M. H. 16:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Report it to AIV if it becomes an urgent problem (for instance, if you've warned it with a level-3 or even level-4 and ten minutes later the vandalising is still continuing despite your warnings). If it's only occasional, just revert it and give a warning; there's no need to report obvious vandalism to administrators unless it gets bad enough/persistent enough from an IP or user that a temporary block is needed to help prevent further vandalism. --ais523 16:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

That's what I thought. I didn't want to report it unless it was necessary. I might keep half an eye on it. Thanks. Adrian M. H. 16:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

• Just my 2 cents, but if I were to monitor every IP I ever blocked, I'd be very busy. If it's serious, report it. Don't count on it being monitored. Even if someone planned it, they may be away. - Mgm|^(talk) 18:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it has already been dealt with. Adrian M. H. 21:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Database error

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

(SQL query hidden)

from within function "Article::insertOn". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '1-Midnight_(Warriors)' for key 2 (10.0.0.237)".

All I did was add #Redirect [[Talk:Warriors (book series)]] What did I do to get the error!?!?!?!? «razorclaw» 16:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The servers get confused on occasion. If you get an error, waiting about 10 seconds clicking on 'Refresh' will normally clear it (you haven't done anything wrong yourself); on this occasion, it looks as thought it tried to save your redirect twice and got confused. Hope that helps! --ais523 16:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Using Monobook To Not Print Certain Things

I want to block the external links, see also, notes and references sections from being printed when I print an article. Is it possible to specify these titles using that whole monobook thing? I've already figured that I want to use

@media print {

Thanks --Seans Potato Business 17:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I dont fully understand what you mean, if you dont want them printed off then you can copy the page and load it into a word document then print, but remember to follow the GNUFDL in Wikipedia is based on.Tellyaddict 17:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

If I copy and paste then I get 'edit' sprinkled everywhere, I lose the pictures in their appropriate positions and I get the text from below the pictures thrown in at random. I only want to print stuff off so that I can make notes on what to edit. I will not be checking the sections that I mentioned, so I don't want to print them. --Seans Potato Business 17:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It can't be done in CSS, because the body of a section isn't contained within any consistent tag (and so you can't write a rule to select it). --ais523 17:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Why can't they make it so that div#bodyContent#References becomes a selector or something? Surely, they can do that? --Seans Potato Business 17:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that you want to hide the section between two tags. Suppose you've got two paragraphs in a notes section; then the markup (omitting the tricky things like section edit code, which need to be factored in too but don't essentially change the problem, and any irrelevant attributes) is something like <h2 id="Notes">Notes</h2><p>paragraph 1</p><p>paragraph 2</p><h2 id="Next_section">Next section</h2> and so on. There isn't a selector for 'all the tags between two h2 tags, one of which has a particular ID'. Hope that helps! --ais523 17:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Are you saying that everything AFTER the specified sections will be cut, leaving everything before it intact? If so, then since the sections I want to get rid of always occur at the bottom of the page, can I get away with it? I can put a rule for all those IDs, and then whatever comes after the first ID that actually occurs in the article (most likely a 'see also'), will be missed off? --Seans Potato Business 18:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Print stylesheets are easy when coding a website over which you have full control, but as Ais quite rightly points out, we essentially have control over only one half of the markup, and the necessary classes/IDs are not in place. Adrian M. H. 17:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Print stylesheets work by a combination of restyling, hiding, and repositioning. Go to any website that uses them, select the Printable Version link (or similar) and you'll see what they're like. Users have to click that link to load the alternative stylesheet before printing. Adrian M. H. 20:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure that you're quite right: from a page that I coded, I used:

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="print" />

Which was to automatically be used by the browser when formatting the page to be printed. The user wouldn't have to do anything. But anyway, I don't see how this relates to my query? -Seans Potato Business 21:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

You're misreading me. I mentioned manually loaded stylesheets as an example. I didn't see the need to go into all possibilities simply to illustrate an answer. Sorry for trying to be informative; I thought your query had already been answered by me and by ais. Adrian M. H. 21:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I may have misunderstood you. I didn't think my query was answered but since whatever <h2 id="Notes"> tag AIS was talking about never actually exists (I looked at the source code for a page), I guess I can't do what I wanted. I think that printing those sections is a waste of the environment (and paper and toner :) ). Anyway, thanks for your help. --Seans Potato Business 21:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

That's OK. The only other tip that I can offer is to highlight the text that you want to print - nearby images and some other objects should be picked up by this as well (depending on your browser) so you shouldn't lose much. Adrian M. H. 22:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

copyright violation in userspace

If I use userspace to write drafts of articles, what kind of copyright violations am I liable for during the drafting process. If I leave sections uncited, or include large parts of copy/pasted material there to be integrated later, is this against the law? Userspace should allow for collaborative editing and fair use of copyrighted materials there for that reason seems like it could be ok. But on the other hand, it would mean that I could grab something off Lexus Nexis and post it in my userspace, and it would be available in the history forever. Best, Smmurphy 17:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest avoiding copyright violation even in user space, but I am not aware of any written guidelines about it. Why not write the article off-line until it is at least partly finished? Adrian M. H. 17:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

This makes it harder to collaborate, but is the obvious solution. There seems to be a fair use argument if I have large but reasonable sections of material on for the purposes of writing the article, but maybe I'm misreading it. In my case, its (mostly) a hypothetical question (for now) anyway. Thanks, Smmurphy^(Talk) 17:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

• When I draft something in userspace I usually link to my sources. If I suspect online sources will go dead, I will have a copy on my harddrive. Unless I specifically invite someone to join me, I've found there's little collaborative editing in userspace, it really starts when you let the article loose in the mainspace. If for some reason you find there's been a copyvio in the history, make sure you request deletion of the edits that include that information, but to avoid liability and such it's best to not copy/paste, not even in the drafting process. - Mgm|^(talk) 18:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Removing wikipedia from my defaut web home page

I do not want Wikipidia as my defaut home page..... how can it be removed as it overwrites my own choice in Internet Options... home page?212.159.119.242 17:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Just set your homepage to something else (about:blank works if you don't want a homepage at all). Wikipedia doesn't automatically set itself as your homepage! --ais523 17:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

How do I link to a commons image that has the same name as a wikipedia image?

I just uploaded Queenrania.jpg at commons[2] but there is a different Image:Queenrania.jpg already on wikipedia. How do I force the commons one to appear in the Queen Rania article? Calliopejen1 18:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Upload the image in question to Wikipedia instead. `Evilclown93 19:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I've uploaded it for you. It is small so it doesn't serve as a distraction. It is to the left of my sig. Evilclown93 19:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Or you could re-upload your image to the Commons under a slightly different file name such asQueenrania2.jpg or something similar. Dismas|^(talk) 19:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

• The idea is to use specific usernames. I usually add a abbreviation of my username to the front to ensure it's unique to avoid problems where files have the same name. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Linking to German image with umlaut

I'm trying to link to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Weinanbaugebiete_%C3%96sterreich.png A en: article page can see the link to it as de:Bild:Weinanbaugebiete Österreich.png but I'm blowed if I can get it to display the image - I've tried urlencoding and all sorts. However Image:Klaus_Kleinfeld.jpg works just fine (taking a random example off the de: homepage. Is this something to do with the umlaut, something to do with what server it's hosted on or what? If this is a bug/feature, I assume the less bad thing to do would be to rename the file to something without an umlaut rather than copy it across as a en: image? FlagSteward 18:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

You can only use images that have been uploaded to either the English Wikipedia, or the Commons. Klaus Kleinfeld.jpg is already on the Commons, but Weinanbaugebiete Österreich.png is not, which is why it doesn't work. However, because it has a free license, you can upload it to the Commons yourself --Werdan7^{T @} 20:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

why was a re-direct implemented?

I am new to this site and found our company mentioned among other competitors. We did not have a link and so I went to edit the page and add our link. I also moved us up in the company list. Now when I go to the original page, there is a redirect to another page. Why did this happen?

Thank you, Tarareilly 19:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It would help if you told the page and link in question. From what I have, it could happen in at least different situations, including a funky spelling, notability concerns, sharing a name, a common misspelling (like Cieling, f.ex.), or even something else. Evilclown93 19:48, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

• Lists are usually made alphabetically. Your talk of competitors and your moving the link up the list makes it look like you are attempting to use Wikipedia for promotional purposes. Please have a look at WP:CORP and WP:COI. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Korean Air Lines Flight 007

I have a annotated copy of a Federal Aviation Administration certified radar map. The annotations explain the data on the map. How can I upload the map to Wikipedia, as h as been suggested?

Robert W. Allardyce <email removed> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RAllardyce (talk • contribs) 20:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

Go to Special:Upload and follow the instructions there. Make sure you read our Image Use Policy before doing so.

I've removed your email to prevent you from recieving spam. It's usually a very bad idea to post your email like that, just as an FYI. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 20:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Tables

How do you add a table? Rynobax 20:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Tables. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 20:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Rynobax 20:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

And User:Dcljr/Tables. Adrian M. H. 21:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

unemplyment

what is it? how can i make areport for it? what are the keywards shoud i use in search for this topic? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 196.205.143.10 (talk) 20:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

We have an article on what I assume you are looking for: unemployment. If you want to find out more information, you might want to try the Reference Desk. As for making it into a report, see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. x42bn6 Talk 21:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Complaint

The user Dce7 is currently vandalizing and removing any article which mentions me or my enterprises (poetry, artwork). He has recently removed my listing in Poetry in 2007 and my listing on the page naive art. I engage in both of these enterprises and am recognized by critics in both fields. Yet Dce7 calls my publisher (Wordtech Communications, which has a Wikipedia page) a "third-rate" no-name" publisher. It is obvious that Dce7 does not actually know anything about either of these fields but is rather making uninformed and snap judgements about what content should be on these pages. He has also posted public questions concerning these pages, yet does not wait for an answer from the Wiki public, yet makes his own edits. I have tried to reason with him but nothing seems to work. Please investigate this matter.

Thank you. J. E. Pitts

Looks like a content dispute - see dispute resolution. I'll pitch in a few comments, too. x42bn6 Talk 22:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I would normally suggest 3O (to which I often contribute) when only two editors are involved, but that is really for disputes over one specific article. Try RfC Adrian M. H. 22:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Broken link

Your Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikiprojectbeautypageants.JPG has two broken links: http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/pahistory/release/2001/07/pageant2.jpg http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/pahistory/release/2001/07/MrsInternational.htm

Please correct or remove, AFPC Web Admin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.44.121.21 (talk) 20:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

• If you are the AFPC admin as you signed, you could've helped out by providing us with information why those links went dead. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Tag

In detail please explain how do you add a copyright tag. I got this note under the images i posted that if I dont provide certain info, my image(s) will be deleted, and I dont understand what and how to add a copyright tag, please explain in detailSunny Gill265 21:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, first you have to know the exact copyright status of the picture. Did you take each photo yourself, with your own camera? If you did, are you happy for anyone in the world to use your photo for any purpose, including selling it for money? Notinasnaid 21:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It's ages since I last uploaded an image, so I might be wrong, but I thought that you had to pick a license of some kind in order to complete the upload. So you may have picked the wrong tag, rather than no tag at all. WP:IUP explains licensing. Adrian M. H. 22:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I was looking at the picture Image:AirIndiaCabin.JPG. You have now added a source, which is great: all pictures need a source. However, when I visited the source [3] it says "Photo Copyright © Vivek Manvi, all rights reserved. ". This cannot be used in Wikipedia and must be deleted, unless a special copyright release is used. Sorry. Please check, if you want to use a photograph, that it has something specifically releasing it under a free license. We can check that for you if you aren't sure. Notinasnaid 07:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion/ Crayon Shinchan

Why was my "List of Crayon Shinchan episodes" page deleted? The reason for speedy deletion that it was a "foreign language article that exist[s] on another Wikimedia project" Well I'd like to see this "foreign language article that exist[s] on another Wikimedia project." Crayon Shinchan 21:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Links help us to answer your questions. By reviewing your contribs, I found List of Crayon Shin-chan characters, which was created on 1 April 2007 by Armando12. Are you referring to a previous article with this same name? Or another similar article? Adrian M. H. 21:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I created the article List of Crayon Shin-chan episodes yesterday but was deleted already.Crayon Shinchan 21:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Post a polite request for clarification at User talk:Sandstein. Then, if the deletion was fair, see my reply below. Adrian M. H. 21:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I too have a problem with Speedy Deletion. There is an article on Jones Radio's Music of Your Life. I created a stub article on ABC's Stardust and no one had a problem with it. Westwood One has a similar radio format, and my stub article, which I probably should have created when I knew I had more actual information, was considered advertising, even though I didn't see that much difference between my articles and the others.Vchimpanzee 21:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The simple answer to that is to take it on the chin, forget it happened, and recreate the article if/when it can meet the minimum standards in all key areas. Why not work on it offline until you reach that point? Adrian M. H. 21:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I could do that, true. But I don't like getting in trouble, and I'd like someone to explain how my article could have been considered advertising when the others weren't.

At least I saw the problem because I wanted to go back and edit again, and I saved my content so I wouldn't have to go through it all again.Vchimpanzee 13:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Replying at Vchimpanzee's talk page. Adrian M. H. 17:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I've looked at the deleted version, and indeed there was almost no English on it. If you want to have the page in Japanese and then translate it, I recommend you do so on a subpage of your user page, and you can later copy-paste or move the article to its final position.Circeus 18:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}, etc similar tags

Are there any tags similar to {{CURRENTDAY}} and {{CURRENTMONTH}} that produce the username or IP address of the user? If there is, please reply here. Spebi 22:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard of a username magic word, and I don't see one at meta:Help:Magic words, so I doubt there is one. Nihiltres^(t.c.s) 23:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

There is the old standard, ~~~, it's not really a meta variable, but it can be coded into templates--VectorPotential^Talk 23:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Assuming you mean the person viewing a page, there is no magic word for the current username or IP address because using such a feature would make the page output incompatible with the way that MediaWiki and the Wikimedia's server setup deal with caching. Basically, it would make it so that cached page output would contain the username of the person looking at the page when it was cached, not when it was being viewed. Mike Dillon 06:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Changing a photo

how do you change a photo?
if for example someone has a photo of the actor rather than the character described.
i couldn't find anything in the help section.

If you upload a file with the same name as an existing file, the existing file will be replaced with the new one. Before doing this, check what links to the image (shown on the image page) and make sure this won't cause problems on other pages. If this is the case, you'd be better off uploading an entirely new image and simply fixing the links in that one article.

Don't forget to sign your posts. (~~~~) Hersfold ^(talk/work) 00:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• Don't upload under the same name. Use another one and change the name of the image that is referred to in the article. It avoids a lot of problems. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

references

How do I add a reference and can I use my own eye witness account as a reference.Davecox 23:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

You can add a reference by either adding a "References" section at the end of a page:

==References==
*Your first reference
*Your second reference
*Etc.

To cite a source, give at least the title (for a book), the URL (for a website), and the author, if known. It is preferred that you use a citation template, to make formatting easier. See this page for a list with examples.

You can also use inline citations (preferred), using <ref> Your reference here </ref> at the end of the sentence(s) the source is being used to cite. It is recommended that you use a citation template between the <ref> tags. (see the link above) Then put

==References==
<references/>

See this page for full details about the footnote system. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 23:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

And no, you cannot use your own experience as a source, it must be verifiable using published sources. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 23:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

wikikidypedia :-)

Hi there, having watched the TED video where the purpose of wikipedia is described as giving everyone in the world access to an encyclopedia, I was just wondering if there are any plans to have a sister project at some point for kids. Maybe called wikikidypedia :-) As a teacher, a sister site like this would be incredibly useful. I'm just curious. Suzie Vesper 00:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• There is simple wikipedia, I suppose that could be what you're looking for, though it it's more of an encyclopedia for kids, than it is an encyclopedia by kids, another problem, is that in my opinion anyway, some of the scientific articles on simple.wikipedia are in very poor shape, so it might be better to just expose your students directly to en.wikipedia. Theoretically as long as they're well behaved, there's no age limit on regular en.wikipedia, just make sure if they do any test editing they do it in the sandbox --VectorPotential^Talk 00:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

  An important thing to remember about the Simple English Wikipedia is that it is not censored, so some material might not be appropriate for children. Discretion should always be used when giving children access to the internet. Sean William 00:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

So who decides what is appropriate. There's a whole bunch of cultures around the world and each parent is different. Any number of things may be considered objectionable. Instead of censoring the pedia, I prefer it if the parents install restriction software. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

It's almost impossible to ensure that a wiki is censored even if you want to (Wikipedia doesn't), due to the possibility of coming across vandalism. I think simple: was actually intended as a starting point for translation into other languages (and so avoids uncommon words where possible and grammatical constructs that might be hard to translate), rather than for children specifically. --ais523 08:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Citizendium and Conservapedia are both censored to be family friendly, the former effectively, I think, the latter perhaps not. AFAICT from my experiences on Wikipedia, that means both are prohibited from having content, but the questioner is free to look. WilyD 15:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Some comments on various points mentioned above (which I paraphrase for rhetorical convenience):

• Wikipedia is almost impossible to censor because it is a wiki. This is certainly true for the continuously-changing live wiki, but see WP:1.0, an attempt to create a static ("release") version of Wikipedia suitable for print and CD-ROM. If a static version of Wikipedia appears on CD-ROM, anyone who wants to could then censor a fork from it.
• Who decides what is appropriate? A sufficiently motivated parent could handle all the censorship directly, insuring that everything his or her child sees reflects all of the parent's cognitive biases, unexamined assumptions, received values, and so on. (Procreation, at least procreation done deliberately, is, to some extent, an expression of egoism (self-love), a way of proclaiming "My genes are so superior that the world deserves more of them," so it is natural for parents to attempt to inculcate their children with all their cherished superstitions as well, which they also believe to be superior. Not many people are consciously aware that they could be wrong about some things, which is remarkable in light of the number of times we all find ourselves proven wrong in the course of life. For example, has the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq caused George W. Bush to question any of his other strongly held but as yet untested beliefs? Not that I can see.) Practically speaking, most parents would probably find it almost impossible to read every article in Wikipedia 1.0 and rate it themselves; but what is impossible for the individual is often simple for the group (writing Wikipedia itself would be impossible for any individual, hence the wiki way). Various groups of parents who think they share similar beliefs about what is appropriate for their children could pool their efforts, perhaps by employing wiki technology, to create their own censored forks of Wikipedia 1.0. For example, a group of creationist parents could censor all the articles that present the overwhelming evidence for evolution by mutation and natural selection, thereby safeguarding their offspring from Darwin's Dangerous Idea (at least until their offspring mature and gain more exposure to other points of vew).
  • As far as I know, at present there is no scientific consensus on what is "best" for children to see; there is also, as far as I know, no scientific basis for the common working assumption that all children of a given age are equally impacted by particular material. Thus the censorship of material for children will unavoidably be arbitrary and may or may not be in the "best" interests of children in general, or of particular children whose mental development may lead or lag their cohort.

--Teratornis 16:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Simple Wikipedia is not a Wikipedia for kids. It's a Wikipedia for people for whom English is not their native language, who might have difficulty understanding the English Wikipedia. Corvus cornix 18:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)