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Result: Delist - concerns about close paraphrasing, and accuracy. Iazyges may attempt complete rebuild. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:52, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One of Doug Coldwell's noms (see WP:DCGAR), that I intend to run through GAR to preserve it from suffering from the mass delisting. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 07:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notes:

  1. There are (at least) four newspaper.com sources that need to be individually checked, verified, and reviewed for copyvio.
  2. Why are there three different citations to the same visitors bureau? That is, are we citing old info that has changed?
  3. More importantly, the entire Freezing phenomenon section is cited to either very old or inaccessible sources, and it contains the sort of technical detail that DC was known to get wrong. What makes https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC1BJ3R_the-mystery-of-the-clam-lake-canal reliable? I would question this entire section and think it should be rewritten to incorporate modern sources.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:00, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I found https://apnews.com/article/cadillac-michigan-traverse-city-archive-lakes-34dcdac54482411ca4ea95ced67d588d but it was written after the DC content on this, so the possibility exists that AP was mimicing Wikipedia; it would be ideal to find better sources that describe the phenom and to make sure we have it right. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Found https://archive.org/details/northernmichigan0000joll/page/82/mode/1up?q=%22Clam+Lake+Canal%22 ... do we know the stream keeps flowing? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:33, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto for https://cadillacmichigan.com/lake-river-angling/ ... it says the canal remains ice free, but doesn't claim the water flows. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:38, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's definitely too-close paraphrasing to copyvio from https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC1BJ3R_the-mystery-of-the-clam-lake-canal ... and the text misattributes the explanation to the DNR, when it is one person speaking ... but the original source (a newspaper interview) might be found via newspapers.com SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:44, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Given the issues, I think a complete rebuilding in my userspace might be the best way to go TBH. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 17:42, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Iazyges, I assume that means you wouldn't mind delisting here? If the article is built up from scratch, a new GAN would be more appropriate. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:37, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Femke: Sounds good; happy to delist it now and I'll re-run it through GAN later. For what it's worth, this one doesn't seem to have copyright issues so much as sourcing, and misunderstanding of sources. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 19:46, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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